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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 28, 2021 1:26:34 GMT
Wow that is old. I don't really know what to say. That's the only time I've heard of them taking money like that. Usually they at least refund when they cancel. All I can say is that their track record is generally excellent the last 5 years or so. Could have been someone else managing it back then. But I believe you. All my communication was directly with Jacky Chen. Half down on each sword, waited months with no updates. Promises that they would be finished soon, nothing. Eventually I just purchased a sword that was available on their site for less than I put as a down payment and told them to send me that blade instead. They responded by canceling the order and blocking my eBay account. Later on I did exactly what I described and emailed them from a different account asking about getting a custom sword made. They answered immediately and asked for half down payments again. Of course communications stopped when I informed them who I was. Well based on how these Chinese sellers act, it wouldn't surprise me if someone else took over and was like "Hello friend, it is still me, Jacky!" Lol when it's really Lee or Wong.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 28, 2021 1:24:32 GMT
if we're talking about a beater sword that you don't care about other than to chop stuff, I guess screws and metal pins could be one way to go about it, along with epoxy or other methods but if it's anything you do care about and want to keep in healthy condition, these solutions could be damaging to the nakago and or the tsuka core. I've read about metal mekugi becoming bent, deformed or even fused to the nakago, making it very difficult to remove without causing more damage. a quality katana has many elements that are the way they are because they all work very well, even with the invention of more modern ways of attaching a grip to a blade. cured bamboo or susudake has worked very well all along and I've tested it vs more modern Delrin plastic and it still held it's own in all my crush, snap and tearing tests. it's fairly inexpensive from sword suppliers and can also be sourced from other items made of it, I have found susudake utensils in Goodwill, for example, so I have no issue continuing to use it. in general, it is not a very common occurrence for mekugi to fail but since they're not the only things holding your production tsuka on the nakago, I wouldn't become too confident that your blade can't go flying and cause damage or injury. plus, it takes 2 minutes to check and or replace mekugi and check your tsuka for signs of failure, I can't see any reason not to get into the habit of doing safety checks before and after cutting. imo, one would look pretty stupid explaining why they couldn't take that time to check their sword as a blade is sticking out of yours or someone else's body. people still check their ak's and Glocks before going to the range, don't they? If the blade is through hardened then definitely softer metals like brass or copper won't hurt anything. But if it is a DH blade then most of the tang is left soft I believe and that would be more troublesome for damage. For just about anyone, bamboo or derlin should work for almost any swordsman anyways.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 28, 2021 1:18:17 GMT
Wow that is old. I don't really know what to say. That's the only time I've heard of them taking money like that. Usually they at least refund when they cancel. All I can say is that their track record is generally excellent the last 5 years or so. Could have been someone else managing it back then. But I believe you.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 28, 2021 0:56:29 GMT
I started to do the Steel barrel stab test because early on in my career I had the very tip of a customers blade break off in a destruction test, Turned out I'd over heated the tip, and have since changed the way i heat my blades. I had that issue some too. And I had one customer who I accidentally didn't grind enough decarb off his blade before I sharpened it, and it was dulling really fast on him. Once he sharpened it a couple times he was into the good steel underneath and it wasn't really a big deal but it's made me paranoid now. If there's decarb on the edge it will deform pretty easily, even on soft metal, so I just run the edge on the sander a couple times and keep chopping against the edge until it actually starts making sharp dents into the unhardened steel instead. Make sure your edge isn't super thin though lol. About the thickness of a dime or so will do it. Nothing will really hurt the edge at that point except another hardened edge.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 27, 2021 23:14:24 GMT
Note that's actually Wes proofing one of his own swords before sending it out, as opposed to "one of the guys" making it and nobody doing quality control. His video is 100% accurate. That's all it takes. Give it a few good wacks on the flat of the blade, chop some stuff, flex it to make sure it's springy. I chop my dull edge into some mild steel bars to make sure I ground off all the soft decarb from heat treat. A hardened dull edge will be unbothered by it, if all the decarb is gone. That's just one thing I do, other guys have their own ways of course. Boom you're done testing it lol. 5 to 10 minutes, tops.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 27, 2021 23:10:27 GMT
Not unnecessary at all judging from some of the uninformed comments forum members have been posting here. Wes literally had to spell it out for them. Good that he did. There sure did seem to be a lot of confusion about how Properly heat treated 1095 carbon steel is supposed to react... "it bends and stays bent so it doesnt break" is a flat out lie/cop out. Properly tempered it will neither brake nor stay bent...and citing the japanese katana, a thousand year old design is hillarious. The Samurai did the best with what they had to work with for sure, but thats not an excuse for modern sub par performance. It would be akin to saying its ok that my brand new gun jams because in the 1800s black powder was unreliable at best. Exactly. I actually addressed that really bad comparison in a lengthy response on the Scorpion Temper issues thread. So many people were thanking Scorpion for such a "logical" rebuttal and didn't even notice they were completely wrong when describing their own heat treat method. Lol.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 27, 2021 6:01:40 GMT
Yes and earlier I posted a rebuttal to a section of their rebuttal about heat treat. You should check it out. It will help a lot of members. Ah! You're one of the customers who had raised the issue. Sorry about that, didn't see the name. I am sorry it has been such a bad experience for you, always bad when that happens.
Well my experience with the customer service was overall mostly good, but I find some details surrounding my purchase and some of SBG and Scorpion responses to be a bit problematic is all.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 27, 2021 3:02:07 GMT
Not unnecessary at all judging from some of the uninformed comments forum members have been posting here. Wes literally had to spell it out for them. Good that he did. I guess that's fair, however Scorpion has posted a huge rebuttal to some of the points raised by unsatisfied customers. I honestly don't know enough about either topic to comment on the quality of steel and treatment.
Yes and earlier I posted a rebuttal to a section of their rebuttal about heat treat. You should check it out. It will help a lot of members.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 27, 2021 2:34:47 GMT
Feels like an unnecessary taunt, albeit amusing. Not unnecessary at all judging from some of the uninformed comments forum members have been posting here. Wes literally had to spell it out for them. Good that he did.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 27, 2021 1:13:24 GMT
The final word I will have on this topic is to reiterate what I have said earlier. There is ZERO evidence or facts surrounding the actual event that damaged the blade. All we have seen is the result. I am not trying to throw shade on anybody, since I don't know the OP and I have never dealt with Scorpion. But it seems odd to me that everybody is condemning the manufacturer, but not even considering if the customer was abusive to the product. I can go out and buy a Dodge Hellcat and wrap it around a tree 10 minutes later, it doesn't mean Dodge is responsible for the crumpled hood. I always try to find facts, and in this case Scorpion has a published policy on their website that matches what the sword did. However, there are no facts other than what the OP claims that support his version of events that damaged the sword in the first place. I am wondering if the OP was expecting an indestructible blade? He did say he was hitting tree stumps with it - I can break or bend any sword by beating it against a tree stump. There is no evidence other than what the OP himself has claimed to have done. Lastly, I've said this many times across numerous threads about the idea of "quality" being focused on "reasonable expectations" and a communication between the vendor and customer. Except for what is posted on this thread, I don't know what the exchange was between the OP and Scorpion about those "reasonable expectations" prior to purchase? Don't know. And with that said, I will let this thread run it's course without any further input from me. This just shows how uninformed most people here really are about blade smithing. I'm truly curious as to what "evidence" you need for a dead soft blade like that. Let me help a little. *quoted from Scorpion's rebuttal: “it's better to bend than break” • “as a general rule it doesn't take too much of a bad alignment followed with bad technique to bend a blade like that. I've seen such things happen before, and it's not pretty, but not the end of the world either. Again, on the plus side, the sword didn't snap and that is actually a good thing. Katana's were soft in the middle and designed to bend rather than break, and they bent quite a lot. The cure is to straighten out the blade and go find a better teacher.” Shepherd214s response to that, is that a bar of through hardened 1095 steel DOES NOT TAKE A SET OR BEND in that manner. This is NOT opinion. It's NOT speculation. The sharpened bar of metal that they make, should bend back to being straight even from a massive bend. Anyone who makes through hardened 1095 blades will tell you this. If its decently heat treated it can actually bend close to 90 degrees and return true and straight. If 1095 is heat treated right, it certainly cannot be bent over your knee like that. What Scorpion are shockingly comparing their blade to, is a DIFFERENTIALLY HEAT TREATED katana, that intentionally has a hard edge and soft spine and is DESIGNED to take a set and stay bent. In the event of failure. This comparison is laughable. This again shows and fuels further speculation that Scorpion doesn't really know what they are talking about. They make only THROUGH HARDENED BLADES. Therefore, there's nothing that specific customer could have done to magically change the steel structure of his blade to be that soft, UNLESS, he tried to re-heat treat the blade himself and he ruined the heat treat. If you think he did that, then that's fair I guess but my money says he didn't. This stuff is actually basic blademaking 101 knowledge. In alot of promotional videos they show that 9260 can do all this shock absorption and bending, but in reality so can 1055, so can 5160, so can 1075, so can 1084, so can 1095. Any basic carbon steel, when through hardened properly, becomes SPRING STEEL and can do incredible feats without snapping or bending. In fact the blade should be way more likely to snap than to stay bent if failure occurs. I'm NOT saying Scorpion didn't admit to some mistakes, but any and all speculation by forum members that the customer somehow "damaged" his own blade and made it soft like that is utter crap. I can hand you a thick, through hardened bar of 1095 steel and CHALLENGE YOU to bend it and make it stay bent. Run over it with a car. beat it against the hardest object you can find. Stick the thing in a vise and bend it as far as you can. I would bet massive amounts of money against any chance of you bringing me back that blade in a bent state. It won't happen. I've bent dozens of 1095 steel blades to near snapping point and they always rebound true and straight. I've had huge warps in my own 1095 blades and I had to massively bend them the opposite direction, clamp them in that massively bent state, and put them in my oven at tempering temperatures (around 400F) and when I unclamp sometimes they still spring right back to their opposite warped state, exactly what it looked like out of the quench. (Which is what Scorpion should have done with my warped blade but they didn't because that takes time and effort). THAT is how bad 1095 does NOT want to stay bent. It is a super springy, almost rubbery steel when it's heat treated well. I've stated this multiple times already, other makers have stated some of this too but forum members are glossing it over and accepting factually, scientifically wrong explanations from this manufacturer for whatever reason. And yea, if I wanted my full name on here I'd have put my username as my full name. They are also sharing people's email address, also something they didn't have permission to do. It's not like it's a huge deal but it's hugely disrespectful and the way they are fighting back against the customer base is something I've never dealt with from good manufacturers before and certainly not how I deal with MY customers grievances. I guess we do things differently.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 26, 2021 2:19:54 GMT
Nice straw man argument, Scorpion Swords. First of all, if you read my comments, I never once stated that my sword was NOT heat treated. I actually stated that my blade WAS heat treated, which is why i couldn't FIX the warp. I made that very clear, that I physically cannot fix the warp on a HARDENED blade and neither can you without redoing the heat treat. I also stated you did a decent job on the customer service side with my grievances but I turned it down due to the fact that they just aren't worth the money in comparison to other brands like Zombie Tools. Nothing wrong with that OPINION. I'm allowed to think that for 75 dollars more I can just buy a Zakasushi, which in my OPINION is a great product. Please reread and do your research on my comments. You literally just beat the crap out of a sword for nothing. You wasted time and effort making a video to prove something that I never claimed. Second of all, the picture YOU provided of the spine, isn't even a straight picture. You can't even tell if the sword is straight or not. Why are you taking the picture lopsided and angled? Luckily I have a couple pictures of my own to provide. The warp is MASSIVE. Any experienced blademaker would say that the warp is MASSIVE. Maybe in a shop with rough quality standards, a warp like that is not massive, relative to what YOU are used to sending out. But I am a professional blade maker, I'm friends with many, many quality blademakers, I CONSULTED with them (I did not badmouth) and they all agree the warp is too big to have sent out to someone. If a warp like that is acceptable for your shop, that is noted and many people will note that as well. I've never BADMOUTHED Scorpion or SBG, on the contrary I've always said that it was cool that Scorpion will make budget blades of any basic design you ask for, in the face of other people who were BADMOUTHING Scorpion Swords. I've done this alot on Facebook in multiple groups. Third, my bevel is not half as wide as the bevel in the advertisement photo. I'm not really sure how you missed that when looking over the blade for even 5 seconds. Five. Seconds. That makes a massive difference in both handling and cutting. You also state on the website that your blades are "Handmade in the USA by Chris Palmer" but in my email from you, you claim it was "one of the other guys" who....somehow didn't notice he barely ground the bevel on there. That is where the conspiracy talk comes from. Looking at the sword for 5 seconds, you'd see the bevel was WRONG. So I can sympathize with people who are wondering if Scorpion are the ones who actually ship the blades. Anyone worth anything can see the bevel in seconds. If you didnt outsource anything, you 100% didn't look at the blade to QC it and that's also not great. And I can't even get a straight answer from you on who made my blade. Was it you? The "experienced" maker who has been in business for 10-15 years? Who somehow didn't know several blades were dead soft or that a bevel was barely ground onto the blade? Or was it "one of the other guys" who made my blade? You see the thing is, you've already had 3 or 4 professional blademakers, well respected in the sword world, comment about these issues on these forums. You can ban people all you want for "trolling" or "harshly" cricizing, when it's not even that. We can't even figure out what is going on here. I'm not talking about the usual detractors. I'm talking about trained smiths like Tom Kinder and Wes Beem and Lyndle Driggers. And when you did try to explain some stuff, you used the complete wrong terminology like "case hardening", and saying you quench 1095 at 1500F (which is too hot), causing much more confusion for people who know what they are talking about. Here are some of MY pictures for reference, addressing the issues that I had with MY blade, completely unrelated to beating the ever living snot out of it which again fails to address my points. You can ban me for sharing my grievances if you want, destroy whatever relationship I have with the site, or take these FAIR criticisms in stride and use them to work harder to improve instead of digging your trench deeper. I didn't even write a formal review on this site because I knew drama like this would happen. I wrote an advice piece In a non SBG group on Facebook and the owner of Scorpion Swords contacted ME about the advice post (not review) asking me to take it down. So Scorpion came to ME about sharing my opinion elsewhere, sharing it in a non biased, third party group. I only came to them to ask for a refund. If need be ill provide our email exchange, which mostly went pretty well and EVERYTHING was offered to be fixed on their end, which again I've claimed several times already that customer service was not my issue, but I was indeed baffled at how casual they were about the warp. That is only my OPINION as a blademaker myself, the warp is far greater than my tolerances are as a fellow blademaker. As you can see, if the blade were to continue it would almost hit the corner of that black square picture thing on the wall of my son's scribble marks. That is "slight" to you? If it is, then okay I guess? That's your opinion though. The term "slight" is obviously relative to whatever object you're referencing. Again, I feel like I have to keep spelling this out, but I am just reiterating what MY issues were, which were NOT the same as the OPs, instead of posting my own thread. I COULD have put Scorpion on blast in a separate thread, but I simply chimed in with MY experience, which I thought was better than starting a whole new thread and making the company look worse and also cluttering the forum with yet another Scorpion drama fest. I was actually trying to go easy on Scorpion, have a DISCUSSION and be honest about what I went through with my purchase. Had no idea I'd get called out in this ultra defensive manner when I never even said anything that bad about the company itself, i made ZERO INSULTS, all I said that was remotely close was that I have no idea who made my blade or why they would gloss over this warp or why they didn't look at my bevel at all. Those are FAIR consumer questions that I was DISCUSSING with other people on a forum made to discuss stuff and it seemed RELEVANT rather than starting a whole new drama thread. Lastly, thanks for putting my real name on blast? Is that even an ethical thing to do? Not sure I wanted my real name mentioned but okay. Attachments:
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 25, 2021 23:58:05 GMT
They are bamboo, less brittle than typical wood and considered adequate. I still think it's obsolete way to build a sword. Consider that bystanders have been killed by meguki failures during demos by experienced swordsmen using traditionally constructed blades. I prefer permanent brass pins, steel tubes, or steel Chicago bolts for removable grips. But I'm a tactical sword scumbag. Yea wood is serviceable but I can't think of a disadvantage to using copper or brass or even Chicago screws. I always like to have two bamboo mekugi though, even if one is all you "need".
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 22, 2021 3:50:06 GMT
And to the Tommy guy above, I had no interest in getting mine fixed because I honestly could have done a better job myself. I make knives and short swords and I could easily have shaped the grip better, and put a better bevel on my blade than the angle grinder they used. But there's literally no way they could have fixed the warp without replacing my blade or taking the scales off to redo part of the heat treat which I doubt would have been done. No need for the "guy," my name's just Tommy😂 I agree with you, from what I've seen, it looks like they're really cutting some corners - MAJOR corners that can't be cut. But with their offer to "fix" the sword rather than replace it outright, I'm just really curious about what they would try to do to fix a seemingly impossible to fix flaw. Lol my bad I knew your name was Tommy something but didn't wanna back out to thr previous page to verify what it was so I figured everyone could figure it out if I said Tommy guy.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 21, 2021 3:43:51 GMT
My theory is they decided "noone actually uses these anyway so fuk it" and then got caught with their pants down.... They already cut corners by grinding extremely short shallow "bevels" which are little more than sharpening the waterjetted bar of steel, by skipping heat treat and just throwing grips on the jetted blanks they save hours of time and labor on every single piece, You can grip a full tang panel construction blade in about 20 minutes not counting the time it takes epoxy to dry, and those shallow bevels can be done in about 5 minutes with an angle grinder. Being that I also work with waterjetted blanks I know what these weapons cost to make, and Scorpions profit margins have to be very tiny at the current prices they charge, which means they have to make cuts in work and labor to spam as many as possible to make any money under that model. You can spend a couple days making a really nice piece or slap together BS in 45 minutes... They have been making blades twice as long as me, countless hours of practice to learn and improve, there is no reason they shouldn't be offering a much better product except that they don't want to. To make matters worse, they asked OP to take down his bad review on Facebook, asked me to take down my bad review on Facebook (where they have no control in other groups) and the other thread going on called Temper Issues, he claims they won't even allow him post his bad reviews. Lol what good is a review system when you only let the good reviews be posted? You're not getting any clarity at all, it's all for show and fluff and not letting the customer get a more broad perspective.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 20, 2021 3:15:24 GMT
I wouldnt even say it was botched heat treat, these are acting like they have absolutely no heat treat whatsoever, Even a poorly heat treated blade will generally have some spring to it, even in the 40s rockewell I also believe this but I was just giving them the benefit of the doubt, as a bad heat treat still shows an attempt, whereas no heat treat indicates a blatant lie and scam, and I didn't want to accuse anyone of that. But yes as you say this is very much the signs of no heat treatment at all. Which is baffling because their ads show them hitting cinder blocks and a steel pole, so the market they are aiming for are the zombie/destructive crowds that probably will do dumb stuff with them. Wacking them on a stump or a tree branch just to make sure it's safe and won't snap or bend takes very little time and effort. And to the Tommy guy above, I had no interest in getting mine fixed because I honestly could have done a better job myself. I make knives and short swords and I could easily have shaped the grip better, and put a better bevel on my blade than the angle grinder they used. But there's literally no way they could have fixed the warp without replacing my blade or taking the scales off to redo part of the heat treat which I doubt would have been done. Plus I wanted my money back because for 75 dollars more, I could just get a Zombie Tools Zakasushi which is miles better in quality and aimed at the same market. Or for a little more than that, a low budget beater custom sword from various makers like Lonely Wolf or Valavian Edgecraft or any number of other makers. And I must restate that I did NOT have an awful experience with the customer service, they fully refunded the sword and my shipping, offered to fix several issues I had, etc. But the sword really was very subpar work even for the price. I knew I was getting a heavy and rough machete sword but I still didn't expect it to turn out like it did. It's a shame because the scorpion swords stuff is a really neat concept, sort of like a beefed up custom version of Cold Steels machete swords. They just need to execute them better and not be weird about who makes them. Because their website says "Made in the USA by Chris Palmer", but in my email exchange with them I was told "one of the other guys" didn't notice how shallow my bevel was. So I don't don't know who made mine lol.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 18, 2021 20:57:27 GMT
Yeah, I've been avoiding Ryan Sword (and sellers referencing them as supplier). I would love the off-the-shelf $200 Huawei 9260, but that is unlikely to happen this year. I've considered a custom order, but as you point out there are customs problems beyond their control. We are in the swordpocalypes after all. I'll just wait it out. I have a Musashi brand entry level cutter and plenty of exotic things that go 'pew' to keep me entertained until availability returns. Sinosword has made me two really solid Unokubi Zukuri swords before. Usually I'd recommend Huawei first but if you don't wanna deal with that headache then you could take a shot with Sino. You're going to want to ask for things like geometric bo hi, for better transition to the "false edge" on the spine and make sure to ask for no yokote if you don't want it, because by default they will use yokote on their Unokubi blades. I know some people have disappointing experiences with them but I've also seen plenty of good reviews and I think I've had 5 or 6 from them. I liked them all for the price point. It wouldn't be much different from the typical longquan flaws you'd get on a Munetoshi. Unless they really mess it up.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 17, 2021 23:11:33 GMT
Anyone here that seems a little confused, or acts like this is even a little bit acceptable, let me clear this up for you. The blade should NOT bend like that and stay bent. A through hardened 1095 blade, properly heat treated, will NEVER bend that way and stay bent. This sword was not hardened. Withers something went wrong during the quench, or they didn't bother to quench it at all, who knows. There is no excuse for this. If you paid through PayPal or credit card I'd file a dispute immediately. This is shoddy, dangerous work. They didnt even test this sword for 5 minutes before they sent it to you. Like Lonely Wolf said, it doesn't take that much force to bend a sword that is unhardened. At all.
I also received my sword with a massive warp in mine. They didnt seem to want to acknowledge how bad it was but they did refund me my money. The grind on the blade also was no where near as good as their website photos too. There was barely a bevel on mine compared to their photo. Overall the entire thing was made poorly in my opinion, way too thick of s handle for example. They did offer to fix that though but the whole thing just wasn't worth it. Idk how they would have fixed the warp.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jul 14, 2021 23:03:39 GMT
Nice. Don't you want full rayskin wrap? Huawei swords are cosmetic slabs only unless you ask for a full wrap. Friend ordered a top line Huawei....top line, but still just cosmetic rayskin panels. But Huawei can do a full wrap...was $80 extra for my friend. Been a few months now....status unknown, but he is playing it smart and not asking for status so Huawei doesn't cancel his order, like they did mine. My guess it will be a year, hopefully less, but time will tell. RinC This reads to me like your "friend" is just a summary of some of the comments you've seen here, spliced into a comment regarding your "friend's order."
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Post by shepherd214 on Jun 28, 2021 0:28:14 GMT
Just make sure you never go to order an Albion sword, a Sulowski, a Kopiuch or an Incarius Craft... ;-) Six months is NOTHING. I see the unnerving factor of lacking communication, though. But it seems to me in their eyes we are just rude impatient Gweilo... But..they are not Albion or the others. Yes the popularity and wait time has increased, but to have them arbitrarily cancel orders without any contact or offer of extending the wait time us very,very poor business practice. Albion wouldnt do it? Just because Huawei make decent blades does not allow or excuse poor customer service. So many are ready to defend them yet this is honestly a pretty crappy way to treat customers. Yea it's not worth it to me anymore. They are good blades but the hassle just isn't worth it. I could take my chances with other vendors 4 times before I even see a Huawei arrive. 6 months now seems like you're lucky if you even get that. I've seen some say a year to almost 2 years now. They are good but not that good. And the lack of responses is maddening. Just say yes or no, lol. Again, still good swords. If you can get one quick do it.
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Post by shepherd214 on Jun 26, 2021 5:15:49 GMT
Between through harden 1060, 9260, and 5160, most folks won't notice the different if all other things being equal. Not at first anyways. The differences between TH steels will show themselves after some time and use. After they are sharpened a few times and cut hundreds of targets, then you will see a slight difference between them. Same with different alloys if DH blades: you really aren't going to see it until some time has passed. The most noticeable difference is between DH and TH. You can tell right away that they aren't the same. This is pretty much wrong. They all have the same amount of carbon, they all have similar levels of potential hardness, assuming they are heat treated similarly. But they won't be. At these lower price levels, any differences you notice are due to the fact that no one sword is ever heat treated the same way, even if it's the same model from the same brand. So if you had to sharpen a 1060 more frequently than a 9260, that doesn't mean anything. You could get two Hanwei Raptors made of 5160 and have to sharpen one a little more than another if the heat treat was off even a little bit. You can flex Cold Steel's 1060 blades almost as much as Sinosword 9260. Steel type when talking about simple carbon steels is a moot talking point.
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