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Post by bas on Nov 8, 2020 11:22:24 GMT
I recorded the measurements of some of my swords today and wondered if there was any interest in the forum on the information. British Swords: Dutch Swords: French Swords:
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Post by Uhlan on Nov 8, 2020 12:00:46 GMT
Hello Bas.
Measurements are always welcome.
Thanks very much for doing the work on this one.
It looks like a really nice Officers sabre.
One caveat though: The french had an M1821 Infantry sabre. You have mixed up the Infantry M1821 with the Cavalry M1822.
Cheers.
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Post by pellius on Nov 8, 2020 14:28:09 GMT
Thank you for the stats!
This kind of info is great to have.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 8, 2020 15:34:44 GMT
Thanks, I'm always looking for statistics.
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Post by bas on Nov 8, 2020 21:00:41 GMT
In that case I will add more as I measure them up. Regrettably it won't be a lot but hopefully of use to some 
First one is a Dutch m1852 Jagers Officers sword made by Carl Eickhorn between 1935 and 1941. I believe this style is a copy of the French 1821 infantry sword: | Length Over All: | 985 mm | | Blade Length: | 845 mm | | Curve: | 16 mm | | Point of balance: | 125 mm | | Sword Weight: | 650 grams | Total Weight:
| 1040 grams
| Blade Width:
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| - Ricasso
| 22.6 mm
| - 200mm
| 21.0 mm
| - 400mm
| 19.7 mm
| - 600mm
| 17.7 mm
| - 800mm
| 13.2 mm
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| - Ricasso
| 6.3 mm
| | - 200mm | 5.3 mm | - 400mm
| 3.3 mm
| - 600mm
| 2.7 mm
| - 800mm
| 2.0 mm
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Dutch m1912 Officers "Wandelsabel" made by Carl Eickhorn from Solingen in the early 1930s. Wandelsabel is a word play on wandelstok or walking stick, but a better translation would be 'strolling sword' as in 'taking a stroll.'
Length Over All:
| 1055 mm | Blade Length:
| 925 mm | Curve:
| 18 mm | Point of Balance:
| 150 mm
| Sword Weight:
| 720 grams
| Total Weight:
| 1140 grams
| Blade width:
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| - Ricasso
| 22.3 mm
| - 200mm
| 21.3 mm
| - 400mm
| 19.8 mm
| - 600mm
| 17.8 mm
| - 800mm
| 16.4 mm
| - 900mm
| 9.9 mm
| Blade Thickness:
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| - Ricasso
| 6 mm
| - 200 mm
| 5 mm | - 400 mm
| 4.8 mm | - 600 mm
| 4.1 mm
| - 800 mm
| 2.6 mm
| - 900 mm
| 2.3 mm
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Post by pgandy on Nov 8, 2020 21:08:26 GMT
And thanks again.
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Post by bas on Nov 8, 2020 22:00:50 GMT
My pleasure  |
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Post by bas on Nov 8, 2020 22:07:09 GMT
Last one for a week or so:
French Mounted Artillery Officers sabre from the Louis XVIII Restoriation: unmaked pattern welded blade makes it difficult to date but late 1820s at the earliest. I think this style of hilt stopped being used in the 1850s.
Stats:
| Length Over All: | 935 mm |
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| | Blade Length: | 805 mm |
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| | Curve: | 47 mm |
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| | Point of balance: | 100 mm |
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| | Sword Weight: | 750 grams |
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| Total Weight:
| 1320 grams
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| Guard:
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| - Length (Across the hand)
| 105 mm
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| - Width (Across the hand)
| 28.2 mm
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| - Heigth (Including Langets)
| 66.2 mm
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| - Thickness
| 8.3 mm
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| - Inside (Grip to guard)
| 43.6 mm
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| Grip:
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| - Outside Length
| 120 mm
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| - Inside Length
| 99.4 mm
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| - Width
| 36.0 - 31.8 mm
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| - Thickness
| 27.4 - 22.3 mm
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| Blade Thickness
| Thickness Inside Fuller
| - Ricasso
| 28.7 mm
| 8.6 mm
| 2.5 mm
| - 200mm
| 24.3 mm
| 5.0 mm
| 1.9 mm
| - 400mm
| 23.1 mm
| 4.0 mm
| 1.6 mm
| - 600mm
| 23.2 mm
| 2.6 mm
| 1.1 mm
| - 690mm
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| 1.1 mm
| - 750mm
| 18.2 mm
| 1.6 mm
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Post by demonskull on Nov 8, 2020 22:27:12 GMT
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Post by bas on Nov 8, 2020 22:45:00 GMT
Thanks for the welcome, I was thinking of just adding to this thread as I aquire more. But I can move my posts to that thread (or just link to this one) if people think thats better.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 8, 2020 23:21:13 GMT
Finally a combat sword. As always thanks.
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Post by bas on Nov 8, 2020 23:52:16 GMT
Finally a combat sword. As always thanks. I promise that the next four will be combat swords...
On that note, are there any statistics I'm missing? would it be useful to measure the blade width at each of the points I measure it's thickness?
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Post by pgandy on Nov 9, 2020 0:09:57 GMT
Finally a combat sword. As always thanks. would it be useful to measure the blade width at each of the points I measure it's thickness?
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Post by demonskull on Nov 9, 2020 0:11:24 GMT
Hi Bas, yes any measurements are useful. I appreciate you not taking apart antiques ! You can start a new post or add it or link it to the Sword Construction Data base. The good thing about the Sword Data Base is that it's stickied so your information is readily available without a search. |
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Post by bas on Nov 9, 2020 8:41:54 GMT
Second fighting sword:
French AN XI Light Cavalry Troopers Sabre manufactured at Klingenthal in July 1813 | Length Over All: | 1010 mm
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| | Blade Length: | 870 mm |
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| | Curve: | 51 mm |
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| | Point of balance: | 135mm |
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| | Sword Weight: | 1190 grams |
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| Total Weight:
| 2380 grams
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| Guard
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| - Length (Across the hand)
| 110 mm
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| - Width (Across the hand)
| 34.3 mm
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| - Height (Including langets)
| 61.7 mm
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| - Thickness
| 11.5 mm
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| - Inside (Grip to guard)
| 47.2 mm
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| - Outside Length
| 130 mm
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| - Inside Length
| 97.7 mm
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| - Width
| 49.9 - 31.6 mm
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| - Thickness
| 34.3 - 24.5 mm
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| Thickness Inside Fuller
| - Ricasso
| 37 mm
| 10.1 mm
| 4.3 mm
| - 200mm
| 31.5 mm
| 6.3 mm
| 2.5 mm
| - 400mm
| 30.8 mm
| 5.5 mm
| 1.7 mm
| - 600mm
| 30.2 mm
| 4.5 mm
| 1.5 mm
| - 700mm
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| 1.2 mm
| - 800mm
| 24.6 mm
| 2.1 mm
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| - 850mm
| 13.7 mm
| 1.9 mm
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Post by bas on Nov 20, 2020 8:18:06 GMT
Dutch m1813 No. 2 Troopers Sabre: 
Marked TT on the backstrap for the Transport Train and 1827 on the quilion which is possibly the date that the sword was refurbished (this matches the year that the Netherlands received a shipment of parts for these sabres) or when it was transferred to a different service brance. The blade appears to be service sharpened.
| Length Over All: | 1005 mm
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| | Blade Length: | 870 mm |
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| | Curve: | 48 mm |
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| | Point of balance: | 150 mm |
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| | Sword Weight: | 1040 grams |
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| Total Weight:
| 2050 grams
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| - Length (Across the top of the hand)
| 132 mm
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| - Height (Including full langet length)
| 53.3 mm
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| - Width
| 30.5 mm
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| - Thickness
| 5.1 mm
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| - Inside (widest point between grip and guard)
| 63.5 mm
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| Grip
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| - Outside Length
| 128 mm
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| - Inside Length
| 110 mm
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| - Width (front to back)
| 45.7 - 30 mm
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| - Thickness (side)
| 29.3 - 23.5 mm
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| Blade Thickness:
| Thickness inside Fuller:
| - Ricasso
| 35.8 mm
| 10.2 mm
| 4.1 mm
| - 200mm
| 31.4 mm
| 6.5 mm
| 1.3 mm
| - 400mm
| 30.3 mm
| 5.6 mm
| 1.3 mm
| - 600mm
| 30.6 mm
| 5.0 mm
| 0.9 mm
| - 800mm
| 28.0 mm
| 2.9 mm
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| - 850mm
| 14.3 mm
| 2.6 mm
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Post by bas on Nov 20, 2020 8:20:21 GMT
After this, I will have five more swords to add then I will gather them all into one post for the Sword construction database.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 20, 2020 8:33:20 GMT
Cool, thank you!
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Post by bas on Nov 21, 2020 4:33:40 GMT
Dutch m1814 Heavy Cavalry Sword / Sabre:
These swords were esentially copies of the French AN XIII Heavy Cavalry sabres with a modified scabbard.
| Length Over All: | 1125 mm
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| | Blade Length: | 965 mm |
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| | Curve: | 2.0 mm |
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| | Point of balance: | 130 mm |
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| | Sword Weight: | 1330 grams |
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| Total Weight:
| 2350 grams
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| Guard
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| - Length (Across hand)
| 125 mm
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| - Width (Across hand)
| 80.5 mm
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| - Thickness (right half)
| 3.2 mm
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| - Thickness (left half)
| 1.8 mm
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| - Inside (Grip to guard)
| 51.2 mm
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| Grip
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| - Outside Length
| 157 mm
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| - Inside Length
| 122 mm
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| - Width
| 43.4 - 33.4 mm
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| - Thickness
| 29.2 - 26.4 mm
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| Blade Thickness
| Thickness Inside Fuller
| - Ricasso
| 35.4 mm
| 9.2 mm
| 5.8 / 4.3 mm
| - 200mm
| 31.2 mm
| 6.6 mm
| 2.2 / 1.7 mm
| - 400mm
| 28.4 mm
| 6.1 mm
| 2.3 / 1.6 mm
| - 600mm
| 25.3 mm
| 5.1 mm
| 2.1 / 1.7 mm
| - 800mm
| 23.2 mm
| 4.5 mm
| 1.8 / 1.7 mm
| - 920mm
| 18.1 mm
| 3.4 mm
| 1.3 / 1.8 mm
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Post by bas on Nov 21, 2020 4:48:46 GMT
Dutch m1813 No.1
When the Dutch army re-formed following the Kingdoms' succession from France, several thousand 1796 pattern light cavalry sabres were ordered to supply the new forces. Subsequently, a second order was placed, this time from Germany which included this sabre.  | Length Over All: | 950 mm
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| | Blade Length: | 830 mm |
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| | Curve: | 64 mm |
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| | Point of balance: | 210 mm |
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| | Sword Weight: | 990 grams |
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| Total Weight:
| 1940 grams
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| Guard
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| - Length (Across hand)
| 125 mm
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| - Height (Including langets)
| 32.8 mm
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| - Width (Across hand)
| 28.6 mm
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| - Thickness
| 4.0 mm
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| - Inside (Grip to Guard)
| 44.5 / 63.5 mm
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| Grip
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| - Outside Length
| 110 mm
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| - Inside Length
| 98.3 mm
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| - Width
| 37.0 - 32.4 mm
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| - Thickness
| 28.0 - 22.6 mm
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| Blade Thickness
| Thickness Inside Fuller
| - Ricasso
| 41.2 mm
| 8.9 mm
| 3.3 mm
| - 200mm
| 35.6 mm
| 5.7 mm
| 1.3 mm
| - 400mm
| 35 mm
| 5.2 mm
| 1.5 mm
| - 600mm
| 39.8 mm
| 3.3 mm
| 2.1 mm
| - 730mm
| 43 mm
| 2.5 mm
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| - 800mm
| 23 mm
| 2.2 mm
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