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Post by pellius on Nov 21, 2020 5:43:44 GMT
Awesome info!
Much appreciated.
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Post by pgandy on Nov 21, 2020 12:41:29 GMT
And again a thanks for such detailed information about each sword. There is no way that I could obtain first hand knowledge of such your posts are most appreciated.
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Post by pellius on Nov 29, 2020 14:22:49 GMT
Also, gorgeous swords - beautiful models in outstanding condition!
These are the models I long after. They are a tier above my budget, even when in a far worse condition.
Very nice.
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Post by bas on Nov 29, 2020 23:44:04 GMT
Thank you for the comments Pellius, I will admit that I'm not in a rush to disclose my expenditure to my wife  It does help that I am trading one collection for another as well, allowing me to purchase these as I release the capital tied up in the other antiques. |
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Post by pgandy on Nov 30, 2020 12:20:58 GMT
When I was travelling the gun show circuit as a dealer my wife would come along to assist. When I made a purchase from another dealer I would have him put a new price tag on whatever at a much lower visible price and all was well with the wife.
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Post by bas on Nov 30, 2020 19:16:31 GMT
That's taking it too another level Pgandy! When I was collecting guns, it was easier. They were all stored out of sight in a safe, so whenever one came out it was easy to deny that it was new. Having 70 odd firearms made it easier too.
Now that the swords are displayed on the wall, they're out there to be counted...
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Post by bas on Dec 10, 2020 8:52:00 GMT
My last three of the year (and probably a while):
A silver hilted colichemarde smallsword. Because there are no hallmarks the hilt is likely to be either 800 silver or nickle. Probably a composit of an early 18th century blade and a early 19th century hilt. Opinions welcome:  | Length Over All: | 885 mm | | Blade Length: | 725 mm | | Curve: | 0 mm | | Point of balance: | 85 mm | | Sword Weight: | 540 grams | Total Weight:
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| - Length (Across the hand)
| 87.3 mm
| - Width (Across the hand)
| 75.5 mm
| - Height (Grip to top of shell)
| 19.4 mm
| - Quillion Length
| 99.6 mm
| - Shell Thickness
| 3.2 mm
| - Inside (grip to guard)
| 37.9 mm
| Grip
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| - Outside Length
| 140 mm
| - Inside Length
| 103 mm
| - Width
| 18.5 - 27.3 mm
| - Thickness
| 19 mm
| Blade Width:
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| - Ricasso
| 27.5 mm
| - 200mm
| 21.6 mm
| - 400mm
| 15.5 mm
| - 600mm
| 14.0 mm
| - 800mm
| 9.7 mm
| | Blade Thickness: |
| - Ricasso
| 7.4 mm
| | - 200mm | 5.2 mm | - 400mm
| 3.2 mm
| - 600mm
| 2.8 mm
| - 800mm
| 2.0 mm
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Post by bas on Dec 10, 2020 8:56:18 GMT
Georgian era (1815 - 1820) Cavalry officers mameluke sabre: | Length Over All: | 930 mm | | Blade Length: | 792 mm | | Curve: | 48.8 mm | | Point of balance: | 130 mm | | Sword Weight: | 820 grams | Total Weight:
| 1300 grams
| Guard
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| - Length (across the hand)
| 150 mm
| - Width (across the hand)
| 25 - 5mm
| - Height (including langets)
| 75 mm
| Grip
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| - Outside Length
| 120 mm
| - Inside Length
| 95 mm
| - Width
| 29.3 - 24.8 mm
| - Thickness (gets thicker towards the bottom)
| 22.7 - 24.7 mm
| Blade Width:
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| - Ricasso
| 34.9 mm
| - 200mm
| 31.3 mm
| - 400mm
| 29.6 mm
| - 600mm
| 33.1 mm
| - 750mm
| 20.0 mm
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| - Ricasso
| 6.6 mm
| | - 200mm | 4.4 mm | - 400mm
| 3.0 mm
| - 600mm
| 2.2 mm
| - 750mm
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Post by bas on Dec 10, 2020 9:01:22 GMT
Finally a 1796 Pattern Light Cavalry officers sabre of the Yeomanry made by Gill in around 1817: | Length Over All: | 945 mm | | Blade Length: | 825 mm | | Curve: | 56 mm | | Point of balance: | 185 mm | | Sword Weight: | 750 grams | Total Weight:
| 1520 grams
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| - Ricasso
| 40.7 mm
| - 200mm
| 35.0 mm
| - 400mm
| 34.6 mm
| - 600mm
| 39.3 mm
| - 750mm
| 36.8 mm
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| - Ricasso
| 7.4 mm
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| 4.8 mm
| - 600mm
| 2.6 mm
| - 750mm
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Post by pgandy on Dec 10, 2020 11:54:22 GMT
Again thanks. It too early in the morning to grasp the statistics, later today with more time and I'm more alert. The photos are great. You have an excellent collection.
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Post by bas on Dec 10, 2020 19:49:33 GMT
Thank you for the feedback Pgandy. Out of interest, how do you use the information?
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Post by pgandy on Dec 10, 2020 21:40:14 GMT
Thank you for the feedback Pgandy. Out of interest, how do you use the information? I’ll never experience original swords so rely on people like you to give an insight. To some degree I compare them to my repros or potential buys. Even in a museum I could never touch or measure. I have a very curious mind. Nothing very exciting. |
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Post by bas on Dec 10, 2020 22:05:17 GMT
I’ll never experience original swords so rely on people like you to give an insight. To some degree I compare them to my repros or potential buys. Even in a museum I could never touch or measure. I have a very curious mind. Nothing very exciting. Got you. Curious is good  How come antiques are out of reach in your part of the world? Is it a legal issue or rarity and cost? |
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Post by pgandy on Dec 10, 2020 23:15:52 GMT
I’ll never experience original swords so rely on people like you to give an insight. To some degree I compare them to my repros or potential buys. Even in a museum I could never touch or measure. I have a very curious mind. Nothing very exciting. Got you. Curious is good :) How come antiques are out of reach in your part of the world? Is it a legal issue or rarity and cost? I started to list just legal, which is the immediate and primary reason. I have much trouble importing a repro sometimes requiring the assistance of a lawyer. Legality would be the first obstacle. The expense is another. With the government fees and international shipping I can expect to pay at least, I say at least, double the asking price. With a $250 repro I can expect to spend a $500. There is no market here so resale. Although I do have a neighbour that would love to have one of my katanas. I think he's seen too many movies. |
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Post by bas on Dec 10, 2020 23:46:11 GMT
That's truly a shame, I thought we had it difficult in NZ with the distance and smaller market. But I guess not.
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Post by bas on Apr 22, 2021 23:40:38 GMT
I've updated the following posts with additional measurements, namely around the guard and grip shape and the thickness of the blade inside the fillers:
There will be new swords coming as well in the future, but they're still in the UK waiting shipment.
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Post by pellius on Apr 22, 2021 23:43:49 GMT
Outstanding!
Thanks again for the pics and info.
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Post by bas on Apr 23, 2021 1:58:14 GMT
Updated four more:
I'll leave out the Dutch m1912 and m1852 unless people specifically want to see them. I'm also a bit weary of touching the blue and guilt on the 1796 light cavalry officers sword.
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Post by bas on Aug 1, 2021 0:24:10 GMT
New swords means more statistics for you, I'll start with the smallswords:
Mid-18th Century smallsword with chiselled steel hilt decorated in classical motifs. Asymmetrical ‘pas d’ane’ guard with pronounced annelets and a single quilion. Wooden core grip bound in twisted silver wire. Un-signed hollow ground tri-form blade.
| Length Over All: | 958 mm | | Blade Length: | 820 mm | | Point of balance: | 110 mm | | Sword Weight: | 270 grams | Guard
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| - Length (Across the hand)
| 46.7 / 42.3 mm
| - Height (Grip to top of shell)
| 28.6 mm
| - Width (Across the hand)
| 51.9 mm
| - Quillion Length
| 70.6 mm
| - Inside (grip to guard)
| 27.0 mm
| - Shell Thickness
| 3.2 mm
| Grip
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| - Outside Length
| 110 mm
| - Inside Length
| 85 mm
| - Width
| 16.7 to 22.5 mm
| - Thickness
| 14.2 to 18.7 mm
| Blade Width:
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| 18.9 mm
| - 200mm
| 12.9 mm
| - 400mm
| 10.1 mm
| - 600mm
| 8.0 mm
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| 4.5 mm
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| 7.0 mm
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| 5.8 mm
| - 600mm
| 4.6 mm
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 0:53:41 GMT
I'm definitely going to have to get a digital scale for Christmas. My smallsword is later(?) and longer, with more weight. That is a great looking sword. The blade etch we see right up into the 19th century (1820s), so I'm a little curious as to the large annelets with that etch. Is the hilt iron? My etch   Congratulations. GC |
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