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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 21:58:00 GMT
I don't believe I asked the question to justify or negate the safety of the build. It was a very simple question that could and should have been answerable without the vitriol exhibited in responses to simple questions. Similarly, when asking if someone cuts with their swords. Those may seem somehow inflammatory but they were both very simple questions not needing a song and dance to answer. I asked the question regarding threads to verify if India was suddenly using metric threads. Is that clear enough? Further asking if the thread was 1/4"x20 shouldn't be such a hurdle for someone with a ruler. Or for that matter any somewhat familiar with standards. No videos but I was cutting along with two friends that also had a go. There are also the other two accounts here, including the one that broke (with no followup). I stand by my impression of the example I own. Still sound and straight, ringing like a bell. Well it seemed a little agressive for a simple question. Maybe I just read it wrong. On the second part, does your success negate the construction faults made apparent in this thread? Sure yours is holding up but for how long? If yours is built the same way and had the same gaps and faults don't you think taking them into consideration is better than arguing them? Truly, any number of production swords share these faults. I am not doubting my example may share a lot of the same potential faults but as it remains tight as a drum, I don't plan on taking it apart at this juncture. Is there a gap between the blade and guard opening, yes there is. It is also quite evenly spaced. Does the assembly rotate? No and already mentioned. Am I arguing that I am happy with my example? Yes, for what it is. I had acknowledged the issues, while maintaining my own opinion of mine. Have I seen worse from historical swords? Yes, quite a few. Helicopters of death? Look at many swords that might break or otherwise get out of hand. Compression fit swords are quite common, with no glue or safety nut securing the tang to the grip. We still don't know where the sword broke that has been reported for this model. Do I consider this sword build unsafe? Color me less concerned than others posting in this thread. I am more anxious with folk around me near a cutting stand. Someone sailed a wakizashi past my ear last year. I have also endorsed contacting Cold Steel and KOA during the course of this thread. All of one other person bothered to post outside of SBG. Having indicated they were through with the matter, Uhlan has expressed further concern and I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Indeed had continued to post external links for feedback. How many have left feedback at the CS site?. You guys know there is a CS forum on that company's pages right? Not just the Blade Forums subsection. I mentioned preaching to the choir in one of my posts and I see it quite true of many posting in this thread. Cold Steel has had some broken swords in the past. A Gross messer failing against a pumpkin comes to mind in memory. One of their "Great Swords" failing on video (I don't have the link, some tv show). It will be on my show table in a couple of months and if it sells, it will go with a link to this thread, along with ample advice. If Cold Steel wants to issue a recall, all they have to do is send me a prepaid shipping label My own big sword fail was ripping a Hanwei Godfred apart while playing woodsman, more or less to prove a point. I put a replacement blade in the hilt and sold it off years later with a story and caveat. Just as I have the three shown in a picture above. All three compression fit with no glue and no safety nut. What the hell was aggressive in my asking if the sword and other CS swords Uhlan had disassembled used metric or inch based threads? If the two of us seem at odds at times, consider we didn't even want to talk to each other at one point
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 22:17:18 GMT
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Post by howler on Jul 18, 2016 23:09:04 GMT
Well it seemed a little agressive for a simple question. Maybe I just read it wrong. On the second part, does your success negate the construction faults made apparent in this thread? Sure yours is holding up but for how long? If yours is built the same way and had the same gaps and faults don't you think taking them into consideration is better than arguing them? Truly, any number of production swords share these faults. I am not doubting my example may share a lot of the same potential faults but as it remains tight as a drum, I don't plan on taking it apart at this juncture. Is there a gap between the blade and guard opening, yes there is. It is also quite evenly spaced. Does the assembly rotate? No and already mentioned. Am I arguing that I am happy with my example? Yes, for what it is. I had acknowledged the issues, while maintaining my own opinion of mine. Have I seen worse from historical swords? Yes, quite a few. Helicopters of death? Look at many swords that might break or otherwise get out of hand. Compression fit swords are quite common, with no glue or safety nut securing the tang to the grip. We still don't know where the sword broke that has been reported for this model. Do I consider this sword build unsafe? Color me less concerned than others posting in this thread. I am more anxious with folk around me near a cutting stand. Someone sailed a wakizashi past my ear last year. I have also endorsed contacting Cold Steel and KOA during the course of this thread. All of one other person bothered to post outside of SBG. Having indicated they were through with the matter, Uhlan has expressed further concern and I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Indeed had continued to post external links for feedback. How many have left feedback at the CS site?. You guys know there is a CS forum on that company's pages right? Not just the Blade Forums subsection. I mentioned preaching to the choir in one of my posts and I see it quite true of many posting in this thread. Cold Steel has had some broken swords in the past. A Gross messer failing against a pumpkin comes to mind in memory. One of their "Great Swords" failing on video (I don't have the link, some tv show). It will be on my show table in a couple of months and if it sells, it will go with a link to this thread, along with ample advice. If Cold Steel wants to issue a recall, all they have to do is send me a prepaid shipping label My own big sword fail was ripping a Hanwei Godfred apart while playing woodsman, more or less to prove a point. I put a replacement blade in the hilt and sold it off years later with a story and caveat. Just as I have the three shown in a picture above. All three compression fit with no glue and no safety nut. What the hell was aggressive in my asking if the sword and other CS swords Uhlan had disassembled used metric or inch based threads? If the two of us seem at odds at times, consider we didn't even want to talk to each other at one point It appears your ok with your sword, and that's good, as some may/will be. For me, it is simply no longer a Cold Steel product. Beefiness/sturdiness/robustness are hallmark characteristics of the brand. Even when leaving out Uhlan and others excellent research/points, 4mm is 33% less than 6mm (which was the stated figure). We have no torture tests or even British Proof certificates to help allay our concerns regarding these potential deficiencies. Your adventurous (which is often a good thing, as it leads to new discoveries). Me, I lean towards the tried and true, which is why I'm a Cold Steel guy, anyway. In any event, it sounds like you can (unlike me) "tweak" (work on) your sword, so you will have to keep us informed on how your tests are evolving (meaning your voice and decision are valuable). I will have to go to the CS site and give them the "scoop" regarding my experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 0:33:09 GMT
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Post by howler on Jul 19, 2016 2:48:03 GMT
Hey, Exeter, I think they had the sword at 4mm for a few weeks now, but don't know what/if/when they may have had it at 6mm, and it is interesting about the price drop. I think Cold Steel sites still have it at 6MM. If anyone has a 6mm, I'd love to hear about it, as it is (as of yet) a seemingly mythical Unicorn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 8:37:10 GMT
Hey, Exeter, I think they had the sword at 4mm for a few weeks now, but don't know what/if/when they may have had it at 6mm, and it is interesting about the price drop. I think Cold Steel sites still have it at 6MM. If anyone has a 6mm, I'd love to hear about it, as it is (as of yet) a seemingly mythical Unicorn. I seem to remember they had it at 6mm when they first listed it, but it was revised almost immediately. Cold Steel does indeed still list it at 6mm, at a price of $399.95. I've been following this discussion with some interest because I wanted a mortuary hilt sword earlier this year. It was between the Cold Steel backsword and the Hanwei Cromwell, but at the time the Cold Steel was not yet on the market. So I got the Cromwell. Now that CS Cavalier Rapier is looking pretty sweet, but wife would throw my stuff on the lawn if I bought anything else right now. Ah well...
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Post by William Swiger on Jul 19, 2016 12:03:58 GMT
Discussion moved from Review Section.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 19, 2016 13:57:04 GMT
Okay, very well. I can see your point.
In other news: In discussions with CS reps etc, etc, you obviously will have to link them to this thread. Here is where it's at. Since the first few pages are related to the review, you may want to link to page 6 directly. That is the part that may be of some interest to them. Saves time. Also, you are free in any discussion with CS et all, to connect SBG to the issue at hand. Got official clearence. I have asked for clarification of our position in correspondence with parties involved, to avoid trouble for SBG in a worst case ,, shoot the messenger '' scenario. Better safe than sorry.
Cheers.
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Post by deadmoney11 on Jul 19, 2016 14:07:43 GMT
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Post by nddave on Jul 19, 2016 15:37:49 GMT
Only thing I see that would be a negative is the extra pound in weight. Though I'm not too familiar with the handling of swords like this so perhaps it's manageable? Seems better constructed in pics at least.
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Post by howler on Jul 19, 2016 20:59:42 GMT
Only thing I see that would be a negative is the extra pound in weight. Though I'm not too familiar with the handling of swords like this so perhaps it's manageable? Seems better constructed in pics at least. If that thing is indeed 3 1/2lbs...that's gotta be pushing the limits of weight. On the other hand, it is probably pretty durable.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 19, 2016 21:03:10 GMT
Only thing I see that would be a negative is the extra pound in weight. Though I'm not too familiar with the handling of swords like this so perhaps it's manageable? Seems better constructed in pics at least. If that thing is indeed 3 1/2lbs...that's gotta be pushing the limits of weight. On the other hand, it is probably pretty durable. I wouldn't bet on that. Both swords are probably Windlass derivatives. I'm not familiar with any other english backsword with that weight or blade shape. It's a mongrel. Somebody else can be a hero and buy that.
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Post by howler on Jul 19, 2016 21:14:55 GMT
I didn't ask, but I assume he was by the way he kind of "took charge". After reading all the above posts by the more knowledgeable posters detailed analysis, even a rank amateur like myself can get the basic gist that the English Backsword needs to be fixed. Wait until they have this sword (which hold much promise, btw) "ironed out" and except NOTHING LESS. Yes, maybe he'll get this done? Maybe that's why my namesake is gone? Sending out swords with wood shims? Maybe Lynn Thompson never knew, maybe he does now and his rep is on the line? he might have fired Dylan and told Russel. " Fix it our we're going hunting for hippo with spear, you'll walk point!" :-) People can talk smack about him and we can say alot of their stuff is too heavy BUT I don't think he's going to want a CS product out there that has this issue. I bet Lynn recalls them all and starts kicking some ass and we get a good sword out of this. Yes a proper and safe CS English Back Sword, no exceptions I will accept no less! But if they discontinue it, then Scottish broadsword or Pipe back for the aggrivation and time. But I will wait. Had a call from knife Center this morning saying CS called them and that they would be sending me a return shipping label. Then I got a call from Russell asking if everything was being taken care of. I thanked him, told him I was gonna call him and thank him but he beat me to it, and that I would let him know if there were any other problems. He said that quality control has not gotten back to him regarding questions/issues regarding the backsword. I told him many on this forum actually liked the "potential" of this item, but saw problems with the guard/handle/blade relationship, and that I/we hoped they would iron it out so we could pick one up in the future. Looks like Cold Steel is gonna take care of this issue, one way or another, and that customer service comes through as one of their strengths.
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Post by howler on Jul 19, 2016 21:19:58 GMT
If that thing is indeed 3 1/2lbs...that's gotta be pushing the limits of weight. On the other hand, it is probably pretty durable. I wouldn't bet on that. Both swords are probably Windlass derivatives. I'm not familiar with any other english backsword with that weight or blade shape. It's a mongrel. Somebody else can be a hero and buy that. Haha. Maybe I was confused with the person wielding it as "durable" rather than the sword (3 1/2lbs is huge), and maybe you should have used the word Hulk, instead of hero (or both) in your last sentence.
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Post by deadmoney11 on Jul 19, 2016 23:15:40 GMT
I remember recently reading your review on the cold steel Dave and the weight of this Windlass in comparison made me cough my coffee up nearly. I know a heavier weight doesn't always mean a slow crowbar handling sword but this stood out compared to all the other mortuary repro's currently out. I haven't seen it out in the UK yet so i'm not likley to be tempted into buying it.
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Post by nddave on Jul 20, 2016 0:57:47 GMT
A modest comparison in weight and balance could be made between the Windlass Mortuary and the Homildon Hill Sword. I know they're two completely different swords and are used differently but overall I cut and thrust one-handed quite well with the Homildon with no real difficulty.
As I mentioned yes these two swords are very different in design and use in form but I figured if any of you also had or have owned or handled a Homildon Hill or another sword of similar blade length, weight and balance to the Mortuary it should help give you a general idea of how it would handle.
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Post by darth on Aug 23, 2016 21:23:56 GMT
I got a surprise from the Fed ex guy today.
Initial impressions is they sent me a Jerryrigged sword.
Hanwai Practical is looking good, CS has failed the test.
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Post by howler on Aug 23, 2016 21:35:15 GMT
I got a surprise from the Fed ex guy today. Initial impressions is they sent me a Jerryrigged sword. Hanwai Practical is looking good, CS has failed the test. What were the dimensions (particularly blade thickness at hilt)?
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Post by darth on Aug 24, 2016 17:21:43 GMT
Other than the length of the blade, I have not taped it out.
I was too pissed when I opened it up and saw the same gap between the blade and the handguard opening, a bunch of epoxy and my ability to look down in those gaps and look into the handle's chamber.
It felt heavier, the blade looks a tad thicker near the point than on the one I had.
Even the sheath was crappier.
I'm pretty pissed.
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Post by Uhlan on Aug 24, 2016 19:53:51 GMT
You have every right to be. What are you going to do now?
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