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Post by darth on Jul 12, 2016 19:22:56 GMT
Called CS, waiting for Dylan to come back from his lunch hour.
Besides what I have already stated, there is a new probl;em with mine I have to bring up, besides the handguard being out of whack, the handle turns.
Now you know this handguard was made for a 6mm tang.
So I will tell him this and the following
That's why it's offset and why the handle rolls like a tight throttle on an old bike, the thing is too lose.
So I hope they kick the Indians in the ass and get the 6mm blade that tappers.
If they A. Make the blade advertised at the base with how this thing is at the point. B. Make sure that makes this all fit tight and right.
Then this will be a good, good sword. It's my favourite until I realised how %$$ it was and was ploting how I'll fix it if they don;t take it back, but I was told by the operator they probably will. I mentioned this forum and the other swords.
Now if they don;t put the rino liner on the ray skin this will be eve better and one thing that also concerns me is when I unscrewed the guard from the pommel, the metal was very bendable without any snap back, so I will mention it would be NICE it they made that a little thicker. I know if they give me a new Back sword with A and B handled, then I'll get the rino liner off myself and long term this thing goes to a smith/metalworker for a new guard.
If they discontinue the sword, I want a Basket hilt broadsword in exchange but I really hope they get this right and I will tell him what I loved about it, applaud them for not making a sharp crowbar made for Lynn's big frame and forearms.
I love this sword so much it's influenced my training greatly. I hope I get a new one even better, or I'll have a broadsword I'll send to Lukas for a tad of a shave if she's too heavy in the fore. 1 hour and I call.
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Post by howler on Jul 12, 2016 21:27:21 GMT
Called CS, waiting for Dylan to come back from his lunch hour. Besides what I have already stated, there is a new probl;em with mine I have to bring up, besides the handguard being out of whack, the handle turns. Now you know this handguard was made for a 6mm tang. So I will tell him this and the following That's why it's offset and why the handle rolls like a tight throttle on an old bike, the thing is too lose. So I hope they kick the Indians in the ass and get the 6mm blade that tappers. If they A. Make the blade advertised at the base with how this thing is at the point. B. Make sure that makes this all fit tight and right. Then this will be a good, good sword. It's my favourite until I realised how %$$ it was and was ploting how I'll fix it if they don;t take it back, but I was told by the operator they probably will. I mentioned this forum and the other swords. Now if they don;t put the rino liner on the ray skin this will be eve better and one thing that also concerns me is when I unscrewed the guard from the pommel, the metal was very bendable without any snap back, so I will mention it would be NICE it they made that a little thicker. I know if they give me a new Back sword with A and B handled, then I'll get the rino liner off myself and long term this thing goes to a smith/metalworker for a new guard. If they discontinue the sword, I want a Basket hilt broadsword in exchange but I really hope they get this right and I will tell him what I loved about it, applaud them for not making a sharp crowbar made for Lynn's big frame and forearms. I love this sword so much it's influenced my training greatly. I hope I get a new one even better, or I'll have a broadsword I'll send to Lukas for a tad of a shave if she's too heavy in the fore. 1 hour and I call. Everything you just said, darth. The 6mm thing would be a BIG fix. I was gonna call them as well, as I'm still waiting on my backsword (3-4 day wait has turned to 19...hope they are just picking out a beauty for me...hoping), but knew they were busy over the 4th holiday with site changes, inventory, whatnot, as they really put out a lot of new products these last few years. Regardless of CS criticisms (nobody is perfect), they do have a large selection of good stuff that is not offered by anybody else (snagged a CS Shell Guard dagger last week from Midway USA-a momentary clearance deal-for $72...are you kidding me...to go along with my Crab Claw dagger).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 4:01:08 GMT
So anyway, I posted my brief impressions over at Blade Forums in their dedicated Cold Steel subforum. I did mention the general consensus regarding stock variations and did mention the one (unverified) broken example. The Cold Steel Moderator and representative is there daily and will respond to messages left on his profile page. I would suggest not being bashful or shy in posting over there. The most that would happen is being reprimanded or banned That would be a stretch, as Blade Forums is as close to the wild west as one can get. Political, gripe and whine subforums. Something for everyone except the depths of sword talk found here and elsewhere. The BF links posted earlier in this thread. I'm not one to twist anyone's arm. It's easier for me to just shrug a lot of it off and move on.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 13, 2016 6:29:42 GMT
Well edelweiss, I am a BladeForum member now and posted the following: ,, New member here. Thank you for having me. At the SBG sword forum we are in discussion about this new Cold Steel mortuary sword. The review can be read here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/t...-review?page=1As can be seen , we have some problems with it. The biggest gripe is that the thickness at guard of the examples bought by SBG members falls way under the 6 mm as advertised by CS. As sword nuts, we know that there will be variations in thickness, after all these blades are handmade, but a pattern emerges that the thickness is quite constantly around the 4mm mark and that's too far out. 5+mm to 6+mm would be correct. The sword in the review is 4.6mm thick. Even for a Windlass replica and these mortuaries are made by Windlass as far as I can tell, the tolerances are way out. Most of us have tried to contact CS by email, but so far there is no reponse, which troubles us. So, if a CS rep wants to react, he/she can do it here, or on SBG or contact me at my email address. We really are looking forward to a fruitfull and friendly discussion. Edit: KOA lists the sword now at 4mm thick at the guard: www.kultofathena.com/product....lish+BackswordItem 2: I have bought mine at Midway USA via a US SBG member friend. He reviewed it, see the review link above, and then send it to me in Europe. Somewhat convoluted, but I still got it under the rather overdone Euro price. If I would have to pay the full Euro price I would not have done it in the first place. I would like to know if, in the event CS would be willing to swap thin bladed swords for 6mm swords, I would have a chance to swap mine too. Sending it back to the States is not really an option, but there are lots of CS outlets in Europe. Could we talk about this please? Thank you very much, Cheers, Ulahn. '' I sure hope something good will come out of this and it will not take ages to get a response. Also, I would like to ask everyone involved to register at BladeForums and post your take on the problem. It only takes 5 minutes and your done. The more individual questions are asked the higher the chance CS will respond. Cheers.
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Post by darth on Jul 13, 2016 18:04:30 GMT
Talked to Dylan yesterday . ( Good guy was my impression) and I am about to go out and get a box ( the woman threw a sword box away 2 days ago, erggh!) to put her in, say good buy and start the wait.
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Post by darth on Jul 13, 2016 20:23:30 GMT
That was quick. I came home with a box, treid to print the email for, printer's busted so I wrote...a letter and the UPS guy showed up right then. Taped the letter to the sword, tossed it in the box with a bunch of newspaper and it's on it's way.
Let's hope they get this thing right! I really liked how it felt and it cut great and stabbed effortlessly.
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Post by howler on Jul 14, 2016 0:36:29 GMT
That was quick. I came home with a box, treid to print the email for, printer's busted so I wrote...a letter and the UPS guy showed up right then. Taped the letter to the sword, tossed it in the box with a bunch of newspaper and it's on it's way. Let's hope they get this thing right! I really liked how it felt and it cut great and stabbed effortlessly. I called CS today and was told my backsword was shipping today. I was correct in assuming (and they explained that) the week or so cluster poop re-arrangement over the 4th holiday period was the reason, though it has been 20 days instead of 3 or 4, which put me in kind of a bind. You see, Knife Center gave me a grace period (informal) 20 days ago so I could receive the sword, examine it, and decide if I it should be returned or not. Oddly, they gave me a hard date of Wed, next week, so I have a two day window, as CS said the sword should arrive Mon (Tues as the latest).
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Post by howler on Jul 14, 2016 0:39:22 GMT
Well edelweiss, I am a BladeForum member now and posted the following: ,, New member here. Thank you for having me. At the SBG sword forum we are in discussion about this new Cold Steel mortuary sword. The review can be read here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/t...-review?page=1As can be seen , we have some problems with it. The biggest gripe is that the thickness at guard of the examples bought by SBG members falls way under the 6 mm as advertised by CS. As sword nuts, we know that there will be variations in thickness, after all these blades are handmade, but a pattern emerges that the thickness is quite constantly around the 4mm mark and that's too far out. 5+mm to 6+mm would be correct. The sword in the review is 4.6mm thick. Even for a Windlass replica and these mortuaries are made by Windlass as far as I can tell, the tolerances are way out. Most of us have tried to contact CS by email, but so far there is no reponse, which troubles us. So, if a CS rep wants to react, he/she can do it here, or on SBG or contact me at my email address. We really are looking forward to a fruitfull and friendly discussion. Edit: KOA lists the sword now at 4mm thick at the guard: www.kultofathena.com/product....lish+BackswordItem 2: I have bought mine at Midway USA via a US SBG member friend. He reviewed it, see the review link above, and then send it to me in Europe. Somewhat convoluted, but I still got it under the rather overdone Euro price. If I would have to pay the full Euro price I would not have done it in the first place. I would like to know if, in the event CS would be willing to swap thin bladed swords for 6mm swords, I would have a chance to swap mine too. Sending it back to the States is not really an option, but there are lots of CS outlets in Europe. Could we talk about this please? Thank you very much, Cheers, Ulahn. '' I sure hope something good will come out of this and it will not take ages to get a response. Also, I would like to ask everyone involved to register at BladeForums and post your take on the problem. It only takes 5 minutes and your done. The more individual questions are asked the higher the chance CS will respond. Cheers. Guess I should do the BladeForum deal, as well. Ah, the "6MM saga" told and retold again.
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Post by darth on Jul 14, 2016 4:47:25 GMT
Well edelweiss, I am a BladeForum member now and posted the following: ,, New member here. Thank you for having me. At the SBG sword forum we are in discussion about this new Cold Steel mortuary sword. The review can be read here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/t...-review?page=1As can be seen , we have some problems with it. The biggest gripe is that the thickness at guard of the examples bought by SBG members falls way under the 6 mm as advertised by CS. As sword nuts, we know that there will be variations in thickness, after all these blades are handmade, but a pattern emerges that the thickness is quite constantly around the 4mm mark and that's too far out. 5+mm to 6+mm would be correct. The sword in the review is 4.6mm thick. Even for a Windlass replica and these mortuaries are made by Windlass as far as I can tell, the tolerances are way out. Most of us have tried to contact CS by email, but so far there is no reponse, which troubles us. So, if a CS rep wants to react, he/she can do it here, or on SBG or contact me at my email address. We really are looking forward to a fruitfull and friendly discussion. Edit: KOA lists the sword now at 4mm thick at the guard: www.kultofathena.com/product....lish+BackswordItem 2: I have bought mine at Midway USA via a US SBG member friend. He reviewed it, see the review link above, and then send it to me in Europe. Somewhat convoluted, but I still got it under the rather overdone Euro price. If I would have to pay the full Euro price I would not have done it in the first place. I would like to know if, in the event CS would be willing to swap thin bladed swords for 6mm swords, I would have a chance to swap mine too. Sending it back to the States is not really an option, but there are lots of CS outlets in Europe. Could we talk about this please? Thank you very much, Cheers, Ulahn. '' I sure hope something good will come out of this and it will not take ages to get a response. Also, I would like to ask everyone involved to register at BladeForums and post your take on the problem. It only takes 5 minutes and your done. The more individual questions are asked the higher the chance CS will respond. Cheers. Guess I should do the BladeForum deal, as well. Ah, the "6MM saga" told and retold again. Very interested in what you have to say when it comes in. If the hole in the handguard is still for a 6mm blade at that point and they don;t somehow fix that with shims and a cap, ect, then it's going to eventually twist like mine. That's what the problem was I think. The point Uhlan made, that I did not think was the biggest deal here ( a sword breaking and then noticing mine was $%%^^ up was to me.) is what i think the heart of my problems where. So it better fit nice, tight and right or I’ll not be happy.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 15, 2016 15:24:03 GMT
For me the story ends here. The only reaction I got on BladeForum was one that stated CS does not respond to emails. Period. As there is no response from CS reps, so no dialogue is possible, I am stuck with my thin blade. CS.nl is not a CS rep. at all. Some import firm covers CS here. I did a diy import, so no help there and I am not going to send the sword to Dave again. That would be another $70. It is a pity, because I would have liked to know what went wrong in the QC department. Did they just dump a couple of thousand out of spec blades on the market, in the hope only a few buyers would notice? Are they in full damage control mode? Guess we'll never know.
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Post by pgandy on Jul 15, 2016 17:55:19 GMT
I have received responses from CS in the past. Can’t say that they were to my liking and weren't worth the effort except on one occasion and that took two tries.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 15, 2016 18:42:25 GMT
For me the story ends here. The only reaction I got on BladeForum was one that stated CS does not respond to emails. Period. As there is no response from CS reps, so no dialogue is possible, I am stuck with my thin blade. CS.nl is not a CS rep. at all. Some import firm covers CS here. I did a diy import, so no help there and I am not going to send the sword to Dave again. That would be another $70. It is a pity, because I would have liked to know what went wrong in the QC department. Did they just dump a couple of thousand out of spec blades on the market, in the hope only a few buyers would notice? Are they in full damage control mode? Guess we'll never know. Cheers. After reading your last I decided to again call CS customer service in California (1-800-255-4716). The service is on a rotary. I got the next available agent. Had me on the phone asking questions for 5 minutes then said he would inform the distribution department. About 10 minutes after I got off the line I got a call from a distribution project manager regarding the issues I had raised. ( The failure to deliver 6mm advertised thickness at the forte and an alarming number of misaligned blades in the small population of SBG forum subscribers.) The rep said the sword was too new for them to have much feed back. What I was telling him was disturbing and they will poll distributors for their feedback. Will get back to me. I can fix my sword (it's a small pain in the butt to do) and frankly, although the 4.5ish mm issue is annoying, I'm not sure it is a major impediment to sport cutting. CS isn't willing to admit an epidemic problem just yet, but said calling customer service will most likely get you an exchange. (Doesn't hurt that I know the operations staff is now certainly been made aware of our concerns. ( Without confirming or denying the source of their product I was told that the "blades" were from India. ) If and when I get a follow up from the CS folks, I'll add more. :)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 18:55:03 GMT
For me the story ends here. The only reaction I got on BladeForum was one that stated CS does not respond to emails. Period. As there is no response from CS reps, so no dialogue is possible, I am stuck with my thin blade. CS.nl is not a CS rep. at all. Some import firm covers CS here. I did a diy import, so no help there and I am not going to send the sword to Dave again. That would be another $70. It is a pity, because I would have liked to know what went wrong in the QC department. Did they just dump a couple of thousand out of spec blades on the market, in the hope only a few buyers would notice? Are they in full damage control mode? Guess we'll never know. Cheers. Did you leave a visitor's message on the profile link I provided earlier in this thread? I don't see any. Nor do I see any feedback posted to the Cold Steel sites. I know I tried to leave feedback at my vendor's site but it does not appear in general searches or on that vendor's page. My gripes were not about function, or fit but overall appearance. I guess I could try again but it is just one of many drop ship type companies. www.lg-outdoors.com/proddetail.asp?prod=276570They may gauge stock size by thread size but as I don't plan on disassembly at this point, I don't have an answer.
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Post by howler on Jul 16, 2016 0:24:11 GMT
Guess I should do the BladeForum deal, as well. Ah, the "6MM saga" told and retold again. Very interested in what you have to say when it comes in. If the hole in the handguard is still for a 6mm blade at that point and they don;t somehow fix that with shims and a cap, ect, then it's going to eventually twist like mine. That's what the problem was I think. The point Uhlan made, that I did not think was the biggest deal here ( a sword breaking and then noticing mine was $%%^^ up was to me.) is what i think the heart of my problems where. So it better fit nice, tight and right or I’ll not be happy. Received the sword roughly 4hrs. ago (very prompt return...two days), as I was expecting Monday. The good: about 2 1/2oz heavier than the last sword, at 41 1/4oz, and a bit heavier feel than last (which may be not so great), with less blade whip/flex. POB was 3 1/2", and a bit farther out than the last sword (probably also contributing to the heavier, less ideal feel). There was still a WEE bit of blade offset, but not as much as the last sword, and something I can/could live with. Also, I could hear a slight noise when swinging the sword on one side, but do not know of its origin, or reason. Now, the blade thickness at the forte (base) was a bit thicker than the last sword, but that's not saying a lot, as the replacement came in at...4mm thick. The paperwork on the box stated that this was a "handpicked" replacement. I E-mailed (called, but they were closed) KnifeCenter (who gave me a grace period of the 20th...next Wed.) that I would be returning it, and also stated that they handled the situation wonderfully (particularly workers Trevor and Jackie). In short, I believe the replacement backsword was better, but believe they will make improvements in the future by giving a sword with dimensions (6mm) stated, as I believe it (blade forte) an important area.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 16, 2016 2:10:00 GMT
Very interested in what you have to say when it comes in. If the hole in the handguard is still for a 6mm blade at that point and they don;t somehow fix that with shims and a cap, ect, then it's going to eventually twist like mine. That's what the problem was I think. The point Uhlan made, that I did not think was the biggest deal here ( a sword breaking and then noticing mine was $%%^^ up was to me.) is what i think the heart of my problems where. So it better fit nice, tight and right or I’ll not be happy. Received the sword roughly 4hrs. ago (very prompt return...two days), as I was expecting Monday. The good: about 2 1/2oz heavier than the last sword, at 41 1/4oz, and a bit heavier feel than last (which may be not so great), with less blade whip/flex. POB was 3 1/2", and a bit farther out than the last sword (probably also contributing to the heavier, less ideal feel). There was still a WEE bit of blade offset, but not as much as the last sword, and something I can/could live with. Also, I could hear a slight noise when swinging the sword on one side, but do not know of its origin, or reason. Now, the blade thickness at the forte (base) was a bit thicker than the last sword, but that's not saying a lot, as the replacement came in at...4mm thick. The paperwork on the box stated that this was a "handpicked" replacement. I E-mailed (called, but they were closed) KnifeCenter (who gave me a grace period of the 20th...next Wed.) that I would be returning it, and also stated that they handled the situation wonderfully (particularly workers Trevor and Jackie). In short, I believe the replacement backsword was better, but believe they will make improvements in the future by giving a sword with dimensions (6mm) stated, as I believe it (blade forte) an important area. You're measuring the back of the blade at the guard and coming up with a 4mm thickness. Do you have a caliper or are you extrapolating from a ruler? 4mm sounds dreadful.
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Post by howler on Jul 16, 2016 2:38:18 GMT
Received the sword roughly 4hrs. ago (very prompt return...two days), as I was expecting Monday. The good: about 2 1/2oz heavier than the last sword, at 41 1/4oz, and a bit heavier feel than last (which may be not so great), with less blade whip/flex. POB was 3 1/2", and a bit farther out than the last sword (probably also contributing to the heavier, less ideal feel). There was still a WEE bit of blade offset, but not as much as the last sword, and something I can/could live with. Also, I could hear a slight noise when swinging the sword on one side, but do not know of its origin, or reason. Now, the blade thickness at the forte (base) was a bit thicker than the last sword, but that's not saying a lot, as the replacement came in at...4mm thick. The paperwork on the box stated that this was a "handpicked" replacement. I E-mailed (called, but they were closed) KnifeCenter (who gave me a grace period of the 20th...next Wed.) that I would be returning it, and also stated that they handled the situation wonderfully (particularly workers Trevor and Jackie). In short, I believe the replacement backsword was better, but believe they will make improvements in the future by giving a sword with dimensions (6mm) stated, as I believe it (blade forte) an important area. You're measuring the back of the blade at the guard and coming up with a 4mm thickness. Do you have a caliper or are you extrapolating from a ruler? 4mm sounds dreadful. Yes, I used a Bates National Ruler that I had since college (Fine Arts...Graphic design/Illustration), measured from the back of the blade (several locations of the last half inch or so to the guard). A caliper would have been better than ruler extrapolation...now your making me wonder, as I might just have to tear into the box to double check (like continuing to reach into you pockets over and over for the misplaced keys), as it is still with me until Mon. when I can ask for a shipping return label.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 16, 2016 5:46:04 GMT
Edelweiss: my post on BF appeared just above yours. BF has my email address and I linked to the review here, so they have multiple ways to react. As BF is, as I see it, mainly a CS promotion and customer feedback research site, the place should be crawling with CS reps from many departments. Then again, BF is dedicated to CS main business which is knives. So CS reps will be knive people who may have a blind spot for swords. The response I got was from a member, not a rep. Thank you Dave for doing the telephone discussion. It appears I was right about ,, India ''. Since KOA is advertising the swords to be 4mm thick, I get the impression that there are no 6mm blades in this first run at all. If so, that would make efforts to get a 6mm blade redundant. One can only hope to get a thicker blade, like 5mm or so. Since the hole in the guard is for a 6mm blade, I have my suspicions that maybe not all is well in the thread - pommel department too. If the pommel is threaded for a 6mm blade and they just filled the space with some epoxy filler to make an undersized tang fit, we're in for real problems. If this is the case and I will check mine, the best thing to do would be to pin the grip to the tang. Over time the whole hilt assembly might come off if that pommel is not screwed on thight. Not wanting to sound alarming, but take care to study what is going on in the pommel.
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Post by howler on Jul 16, 2016 6:18:41 GMT
Received the sword roughly 4hrs. ago (very prompt return...two days), as I was expecting Monday. The good: about 2 1/2oz heavier than the last sword, at 41 1/4oz, and a bit heavier feel than last (which may be not so great), with less blade whip/flex. POB was 3 1/2", and a bit farther out than the last sword (probably also contributing to the heavier, less ideal feel). There was still a WEE bit of blade offset, but not as much as the last sword, and something I can/could live with. Also, I could hear a slight noise when swinging the sword on one side, but do not know of its origin, or reason. Now, the blade thickness at the forte (base) was a bit thicker than the last sword, but that's not saying a lot, as the replacement came in at...4mm thick. The paperwork on the box stated that this was a "handpicked" replacement. I E-mailed (called, but they were closed) KnifeCenter (who gave me a grace period of the 20th...next Wed.) that I would be returning it, and also stated that they handled the situation wonderfully (particularly workers Trevor and Jackie). In short, I believe the replacement backsword was better, but believe they will make improvements in the future by giving a sword with dimensions (6mm) stated, as I believe it (blade forte) an important area. You're measuring the back of the blade at the guard and coming up with a 4mm thickness. Do you have a caliper or are you extrapolating from a ruler? 4mm sounds dreadful. I suppose this is part 2 of my answer to your question. I did indeed go back into the box (your caliper "Earworm" was effective)...after carefully cutting tape and removing greasy plastic I carefully measured the forte spine again. I first noticed with the naked eye that the last half inch or so to the guard got smaller by half a millimeter. A half inch out and the measurement was about 4 1/2mm thick for some distance. The last half inch was indeed 4mm. In addition to the ruler (I wear reading glasses these last few years due to creeping middle age) I used a numismatic (coins) magnifying glass...but still no calipers. Have you seen this before on swords...getting thinner near the guard? Btw, did your Cavalier Rapier show, as it is actually a few inches longer-38"-blade wise, as they measure from the guard instead of the quillion...which I hate because it changes the POB measurement?
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Post by howler on Jul 16, 2016 6:27:28 GMT
Edelweiss: my post on BF appeared just above yours. BF has my email address and I linked to the review here, so they have multiple ways to react. As BF is, as I see it, mainly a CS promotion and customer feedback research site, the place should be crawling with CS reps from many departments. Then again, BF is dedicated to CS main business which is knives. So CS reps will be knive people who may have a blind spot for swords. The response I got was from a member, not a rep. Thank you Dave for doing the telephone discussion. It appears I was right about ,, India ''. Since KOA is advertising the swords to be 4mm thick, I get the impression that there are no 6mm blades in this first run at all. If so, that would make efforts to get a 6mm blade redundant. One can only hope to get a thicker blade, like 5mm or so. Since the hole in the guard is for a 6mm blade, I have my suspicions that maybe not all is well in the thread - pommel department too. If the pommel is threaded for a 6mm blade and they just filled the space with some epoxy filler to make an undersized tang fit, we're in for real problems. If this is the case and I will check mine, the best thing to do would be to pin the grip to the tang. Over time the whole hilt assembly might come off if that pommel is not screwed on thight. Not wanting to sound alarming, but take care to study what is going on in the pommel. Cheers. As I noted above, my replacement was described as "hand picked", so you know they may well have (I assume) attempted to pick a good one...as they had 20 days to do so. The replacement was 72g heavier (2 1/2oz) than the original, or 41.2oz (and roughly 1 3/4oz heavier than the KOA advertisement). Still 4mm at the guard...yet 4 1/2mm a half inch out and continuing for some distance....have you seen such a thing?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 16, 2016 11:37:57 GMT
Cross-eyed smithie? One smack too many with the drop-hammer.
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