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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 28, 2012 17:06:00 GMT
I'm looking forward to your full response then. Any old hatchet won't cut it, I'm personally an Estwing and Tramontina fanboy for striking tools and machetes.
If you are trained in fighting with a stick, carry your stick then. I would however check local laws on carrying a collapsible baton, they have a bad habit of being illegal in most place. Generally you need a Concealed Carry permit to have one on your person, since you are 18 I know you don't have one of those. I wasn't suggesting using your katana for firewood. As impractical as it is to carry a sword during a bug-out or SHTF event, I'm not going to bust your balls about it because I know I honestly would probably be carrying one as well, along with a dagger and my hatchet.
Really need to find some good axe in off hand, sword in main hand literature...
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 28, 2012 17:34:12 GMT
How did this thread end up in "Sword Training Techniques?"
Could/should a Mod. move it to Firearms or the Cafe section?
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 28, 2012 21:37:34 GMT
idk i just started this because it's a fun topic
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Post by Odingaard on Aug 29, 2012 3:34:01 GMT
*** Moved to proper section for further discussion ***
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Post by Bogus on Aug 29, 2012 4:07:26 GMT
I'd agree with the folks saying to avoid the Mosin unless you really just want to stash it in the closet and not ever use it. It's cost is appealing, sure, but they're loud, kick hard, and all the ones I've handled were very uncomfortable. Also note that 7.62mm x 54mm is *not* the same round that AKs use and from a zombocalypse standpoint you'll face ammo shortages (also the rounds are a bit spendy and tend to be of dubious quality from some former Soviet state).
I'd second the folks saying to get a 10/22 or possibly a Savage bolt-action. Great target practice, plenty powerful for small game, and you can buy or carry about ten .22lr rounds for a single larger caliber round. On a totally serious note I'd also suggest spending a lot of time thinking out the other stuff in your go bag...needing to defend yourself from armed gangs while living off the land in a post-apocalpytic wasteland is a fun thought but unlikely to happen, however as Isaac threatens a repeat of 2005 and Japan still picks up the pieces from a monster tsunami, the need to quickly evacuate with minimal time to prepare is a very real possiblity.
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Post by Onimusha on Aug 29, 2012 4:24:05 GMT
What makes you say that? What kind of ammo have you been shooting? I've only had this problem with the S&B 180grain Round nose ammo.
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 29, 2012 4:45:23 GMT
*is still waiting for a response from the OP*
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 29, 2012 20:23:42 GMT
Well here's what I have basically, but i got rid of the Bull whip.
1 Katana 1 collapsable baton (or Escrimas) 1 folder, 1 butterfly knife, 1 multi-tool, 1 box cutter sharpner, sand paper, 3-in-1 oil, Sword repair kid flash light, Batteries for flashlight, mask, sun glasses (to protect my face) heavy duty leather jacket combat boots, durable shirts and jeans and 3 belts Items for trade: flask, tobacco pipe, tweezers, nail clippers, combs, silk cloths, cleaning cloths, bandanas, tooth paste & brushes high powered binoculars, 2 medical wraps, a journal to record anything, 1 full role of ductape and 1/2 a role, "beard-hat" ski mask, leather gloves, umbrella, bottles of water, high energy snacks like peanut butter crackers and protein bars, cooking kit, blue tarp, Bible, Georgian Flag, UK Flag
that's basically all i have, but i do have a force vest, that aborbs pressure, but the down side is that it only covers the front. The biggest problem is that right now in GA its hot, so i wouldnt use the ski mask, leather jacket, or gloves. and the jacket might be to big of a burden to carry. Also i have a lot of traditional okinawan/ japanese weaponry like Sai, tonfa, etc. But part of me says that those aren't practical enough, but i can be persuaded into thinking differently.
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Post by Unit731 on Aug 29, 2012 20:33:11 GMT
Woah, I have most of that same equipment lol.
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 29, 2012 20:43:13 GMT
For guns, I just want to find something that's easy to get, ammo wise as well as cost, I do have shooting experience, I have shot an M4, M1 Grand, berretta M9 (my favorite pistol ever), and the beretta 45. All of these guns were from my distant family. So I can shoot pretty well from what people tell me, all i really need is something that's light enough to carry around, but can also blow someone away when it counts. Thats why i enjoy the M4, it's light, accurate, and the navy seals use it as a sniper rifle at times. So since i dont have 800-1500 I'm trying to find a alternative that can give me the same range and power
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Post by Sam H on Aug 29, 2012 21:50:41 GMT
Get rid of the balisong. They're actually pretty worthless in the way of knives when you're talking SHTF/EOTWAWKI. No tang, held together by only two little rivets and aren't exactly efficient to deploy. Get yourself a good folder with a thumb screw for easy one handed deployment. Of course since you already have a folder get yourself a good large fixed blade knife. You'd be amazed how handy one of those is.
Forget the escrima - again useless in SHTF/EOTWAWKI. Collapsible batons... well personally I wouldn't put them in a SHTF bag but that's your choice if you want the extra weight. If you scratch the katana (katana are rather high maintenance for actual survival use) you can save a lot of weight and bulk. Instead strap a good machete onto your waist or pack. It'll do everything the katana can do and then some without being so high maintenance.
There are other things I'd choose not to pack but that's my bag and not yours.
Now regarding the firearm. For purely survival use I'd actually recommend a youth .22lr/20ga. combo. Rossi makes one that typically sells for around $200. I got one a year ago for a little more than $180 after tax. Its a single shot break action long gun with an external hammer. In a matter of less than a minute I can switch it from .22lr rifle to 20ga. shotgun without ANY tools of any sort. Its great for hunting and as a 20ga. can be used for self defense against larger predatory animals.
As a .22lr rifle ammo is cheap and easy to find. For quite use you can find loads such as CCI CB Short or CCI Quiet 22 which are actually quieter than most higher powered air rifles and deliver much more of a punch when they hit. The Quiet 22 ammo is ideal for short range varmint and small game hunting without making much noise at all. It's more than powerful enough to take squirrels, rabbits and even raccoons. The CB Short is a little quieter and also less powerful but that's also enough to take squirrels and rabbits. Standard .22lr ammo is louder but better for use at ranges out to 200yds.
As a 20ga. shotgun you can take birds with bird shot and switch to slugs for larger game up to deer or for defense against large animals.
For social work I'd strongly suggest making the investment into an AR-15 type of weapon.
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 29, 2012 22:15:38 GMT
Well sir, i'm 18, 5'11 feet, 137 ibs, i think i can handle higher caliber than .22's. Mainly because i'm use to shooting 9mm and 45. But i'll look into it I guess. But For weapons, this is just what I have from my 6 years doing martial arts, so that should explain why I dont have a machete or anything like that. But again, i just turned 18, so i just began with this investment. On top of that, I have a car, but no licents (because i had a motorcycle crash back in febuary when i was still 17), and I have no job. So yeah...excuse me for not having the best stuff, i'm just making due with what I have. Plus i seriously doubt people are willing to help me out by sending me a pretty legit machete, and other weaponry/equipment.
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Post by Taran on Aug 29, 2012 22:25:59 GMT
Relax, 'kid. You have time to get this together. You won't need it tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 22:46:35 GMT
And how do you know that, huh? You know something we don't know...? Just kidding.
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Post by Unit731 on Aug 29, 2012 23:03:34 GMT
When you can, invest in a condor machete. I own their Kukri Machete and it reeks awesome. I have held few tools of as decent a quality. Make sure to get the newer one, not the older one as it had some issues in design.
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 29, 2012 23:46:49 GMT
sorry i didnt to come off as aggressive, i just mean...a week ago i was a minor, so ... kinda do the math
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Post by Taran on Aug 29, 2012 23:56:55 GMT
...Let's just say that if I start running for the hills, you might want to try keeping up... :shock: :lol:
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 30, 2012 0:09:00 GMT
Get a job, build a cushion, get good gear. You do not need $800 to build an AR-15, you need $700. You can buy it piece by piece as well. I'm 19, in college, and working. I somehow managed to get the money together to get an AR-15. If you feel the need for a gun right now, get a Ruger 10/22. Palmetto STate Armory actually has a Remington 597 .22 on sale right now for $120, the onyl bad thing I've heard about them is they aren't a 10/22. I will never suggest shotgun because I hate 'em, but they do have a purpose in life.
Also you need more than two crappy wraps to make a first aid kit. That would be priority number one if I where you. A couple of snacks does not a PAW food stash make.
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Post by Sam H on Aug 30, 2012 1:31:20 GMT
1. I'm 36, 5'11" and 185. My most shot handgun is a .22lr revolver. My most shot rifle is my AR-15 with a .22lr upper. Sure I can handle more but so what? 2. I've shot .17hmr, .22short, .22lr, .22wmr, .22 hornet, .223/5.56, .204 Ruger, .25-06, .25acp, .32acp, 7.62x (51, 54 and 63), 7mm mag, 300 win mag, .357mag, .380acp, 9mm, .44mag, .45-120, .454 casulle, .50 Beowulf, .50BMG and .500SW Mag. There's probably other calibers that I don't remember right of the top of my head that I've shot. So what? My suggestion of the .22lr isn't about what I think you can handle and all about what would work best for the scenario described. Nobody has challenged your masculinity - yet... :lol: 3. I spent the majority of my younger life in martial arts. I hold a black belt in both karate and kenjutsu. I absolutely LOVE the katana but having spent so much time learning to use one I am also very familiar with its weaknesses and faults. For the scenario you're describing a good machete (which would cost at most $30) is a far better suited tool than a katana. Same goes for a fixed bladed knife rather than a balisong. 4. I'm glad you were unhurt or at least recovered from your crash. I hope you learned something useful from that experience. Get a job (you don't really need to drive to work - there ARE other methods of transportation although not as enjoyable), save up some money and get the gear that would actually be suitable for what you're trying to prepare for rather than packing for a fantasy session of LARP. 5. You're quite correct about people not wanting to just send you weaponry and gear. Nothing in life is completely free. You have to earn everything you get. You'd do well to learn that lesson well. Too many young people fail to grasp this concept and become moochers. Its different if you have no choice in the matter (illness, disability and other uncontrollable circumstances) but too many just want to be given everything. Oh yeah beware the sites that offer free anything.
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Post by Unit731 on Aug 30, 2012 3:52:33 GMT
I am pretty sure you and I had some falling out in the past, but have some karma for fantastic advice. I am impressed of how well and mild natured you responded and think it is worthy of respect.
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