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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 28, 2012 1:08:52 GMT
recently, I've been researching preppers and things of that nature. So I started to think "what if martial law, and civil unrest/riots do break out and basically simular to "The Book of Eli". So i've made a bug out bag, and i've devised a way to carry my katana on my hip using the Sageo. So far my weapons are: 3 inch knife, 3 foot steel baton, carbon steel katana, and a 8 foot bull whip. BTW I just turned 18 this month, so i dont have any guns yet, but i might buy a mosin nagant...
What would you carry for survival?
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Post by Kuya on Aug 28, 2012 1:23:44 GMT
A whip? Not a very effective weapon unless you're trained really well with it.
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Aug 28, 2012 1:41:31 GMT
The Mosin Nagant kicks like a mule. it will destroy your sholder and chek if you don't know how to shoot, just an fyi. try to find the origional belgin model if thats the gun you want it has less recoil transfer. dagese broad sword, tunic, small asortment of knives, hachet, hand powered drills, hand saw, pepsie, nello wafers(the old candy), and some rope, guns are good and i have a few but unless you have amo you are done, i have the amo, amo making machines and the raw materials, so all of that stuff to. the pepsie and candy are for making fire combine the too you get hydrogen gas, idk why exactly, but fire is fire.
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 28, 2012 1:58:12 GMT
@ Kuya yeah I'm pretty okay with the whip, i can grab, cut, and pretty much anything except for fancy hollywood garbage. But it's mainly just a animal control and to scare people, because who really wants to fight a guy with a whip, that can actually use it (i know run on sentense but idc).
@k. Vander Linde What gun do you suggest? Personally i dont like russian guys for my own political reasons. But i'm just trying to get something that has decent put down power and is cheap/ reliable. Do you know any decent rifles that are easier to use than the Mosin?
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Post by FLBandit on Aug 28, 2012 2:10:58 GMT
I have an H&R single shot in .243 that I like pretty well, and was only about $250. I use it when I go sit in the woods wearing camo... er I mean hunting!! For self defense I would suggest a revolver, I have a sweet .357 magnum.
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 28, 2012 2:12:58 GMT
@ FlBandit that is very sweet. But in my state, I can not lawfully own a pistol until i'm 21, right now i'm only 18. But i'm open to any rifle suggestions that are in my price range
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Aug 28, 2012 2:56:45 GMT
this my neighbor has one and i've used it, loads of fun ... el&list=ULonly video i could finde of it. lol its technicly a pistole..... :cry: but a nother good rifel, M14 with jugernaut stock, or if you want something really simple i mean really simple to clean and shoot K-98 or Taurus judge carbine, i've known some of the desingers of Taurus and the president and vice president of their company they make good guns. the last one is very virsitile.
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 28, 2012 2:57:29 GMT
how much does it cost? and what's the caliber? Also why i want a rifle is because Rifles are accurate and i can attach long range scopes on them...
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Aug 28, 2012 3:09:40 GMT
under $800 or less for any of the ones i listed. the vid has around a 300$ mod to the gun but if you watch its worth it.
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Post by jhart06 on Aug 28, 2012 5:42:28 GMT
I've shot a mosin for hours and poured hundreds of rounds through it, both blank fire in re-enactment and live for target and fun... A 91-30 is CHEAP, reliable, and can (literally( be punted across a trench and/or thrown as a spear and survive just fine. And when I started shooting it, I was a complete novice to rifles save a .22lr... It by no means kicks like a mule. Just a tad bit less or right at my dad's .30-30.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 6:24:56 GMT
You say "for survival", which should entail tools more than weapons. You should throw a small axe into the mix. It will also make a nice close-range weapon to fill the gap between your knife and your katana, but more importantly it is an effective wood processing tool. Your katana isn't going to last long in gathering firewood and building shelters, although it can be a useful tool for collecting light brush for bedding or clearing paths. I would also bring a saw. A wire saw is really compact and can also be used as a bone saw to open the pelvic bone when dressing animals. Since you're mostly focused on weapons, a wire saw can be used as a garotte as well for stealthy assassinations from behind. Or as a ready-made snare for small game assassination. I would also bring a slingshot and shepherd's sling. Both are versatile projectile weapons that last a long time and can have unlimited ammo. Again, can be used on small game or "others".
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 28, 2012 7:00:59 GMT
When you want to be serious about disaster preparedness, and want sensible advice about firearms and preps, Head over to the Zombie Squad forum. Word of caution, read the forum rules and lurk before posting, it's a great community but not as forgiving as SBG. There is not however a better prepper community on the web, in my opinion. Mosin Nagants are good rifles, but don't by one as a first gun. Get a Ruger 10/22. Then maybe a 91/30. Then you will realize what you really need is an AR-15. At some point you will turn 21 and you will have to pick between Glock, SIg, and S&W for your obligatory 9mm semi-auto. Out of what you have right now? Keep the knife and katana. The bullwhip stays at home with the fedora and satchel Batons are clown shoes. Get an Estwing Carpenter's hatchet and a Mora Robust. Get an ALICE pack and a good first aid kit/build your own. Buy food, lots of food. Stock up toilet paper. Stock water, gallons of water. That is what prepping is about, not roving the nuclear wasteland. Why don't you want to roam the nuclear wasteland? Because I'm going to be out there in assless chaps and a trench coat. You don't want to see that.
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Aug 28, 2012 13:38:11 GMT
was the one you shot a Russian standard issue, sounds like a modern remake, i've been shooting guns and studing them similar to swords sence I was 5. the modern remakes don't have the kick issue, if you in the U.S. it's manditory most infantry riffels from Russia have domestic parts, so i highly dought it was an origional you need a permit to have one
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 28, 2012 14:34:57 GMT
WTF dude? Most Mosins in the US are fresh out of the cosmoline, genuine Mother Russian surplus. Only "Military Style Semi-Automatic Rifles" are covered by 922r, that's why Saiga "sporting rifles" and Draco "pistols" can be imported unspoiled, one is a sporting rifle and the other is a pistol :lol: There are a lot of aftermarket stocks available for the 91-30, but most of them suck. FWIW the only way I'd do an AK is a Draco pistol with an ACE folding stock, after ATF approval for a SBR. Relevant to the discussion: www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm
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Post by jhart06 on Aug 28, 2012 14:49:22 GMT
Mine was original, stamped Soviet, and that date was I believe 1942? There may have been some parts replace, but I doubt it. This also includes the 15-20 plus other ones I got to handle and shoot from various other members and friends.
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 28, 2012 16:28:56 GMT
like if i were to get a gun for "dooms day" i would something with a lot of put down power. So i'm trying to avoid .22's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 16:34:10 GMT
Why do you think you need all that firepower? What exactly do you expect to run into? If you're worried about oppression and aggression from people then you should be more concerned about getting away from them and avoiding confrontation, rather than battling them out in an full-frontal war. I mean... unless you have an army to back you. When you join "the Resistance", I'm sure you'll have plenty of firepower to work with then. Survival skills are much more important than firepower, and a .22 can be a useful tool for personal survival. If it's disaster and meltdown you're worried about, then weapons should take even less precedence over personal survival. If it's zombies... well, I'd want a good sword by my side before anything else.
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 28, 2012 16:37:13 GMT
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Post by dantheshotokankid on Aug 28, 2012 16:44:20 GMT
KentsOkayI actually do have a hatchet with my bag, But the baton is compactable, so it's easy to carry. I carry it in the streets because i'm a Escrimador (Filipino stick fighter). But yeah I dont plan on using the Katana for firewood or as a bush blade. I mainly want to use it when i need to. But again i'll post later what all i have with me. but right now isnt the best time.
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Post by KentsOkay on Aug 28, 2012 16:55:49 GMT
Guy, let me tell it to you straight. If you want to win a gun fight, you need to be better at shooting at the other guy. You need to be luckier than the other guy, and you need a whole lot more friends with guns than the other guy.
To get good with a gun you need to pour thousands of rounds downrange. With current ammo prices, that's thousands of dollars in ammo. Or you can get a Ruger 10/22 and learn the basics of marksmanship as well as have a caliber sufficient for most small game needs. This isn't cool enough for you? Save up $600-700 and build an AR-15 and get a .22 LR chamber adapter. You will now have .22 for training and small game, and 5.56 is enough to kill most things in North America if you put enough bullets in to them. The AR-15 is one of the most popular rifles in the United States right now, there is spare parts and aftermarket support everywhere. DO NOT listen to the bullsemprini that .223/5.56 can't kill a person, or that AR-15's aren't reliable. Buy a quality AR-15 and don't be an idiot with it and it won't fail you. Still itching for something bigger? Get a bolt action .308 Win rifle from Savage, Remington, or other reputable brand, and you are all set to kill every animal on the continent. Why am I not saying 91-30 for your 30 caliber gun? Because without modification, a $100 91-30 won't have the accuracy past 2-300 yards because of the sights.
One rifle will not rule them, the AR-15 just happens to be one of the more capable guns for 400 yards and under. If you are shooting past 400 yards at people, you are doing it wrong.
You will also need to have a pistol. Ignore the bullsemprini saying 9mm can't kill anyone. Get a quality 9mm (Glock, S&W M&P, SIg Sp2022, Springfield XD are just some of the options). Buy it cheap and stack it deep.
If you want to hear more of the same advice, Zombie Squad will have it. The only other firearm combination I would suggest is a quality (Ruger or S&W) 357 magnum pistol and a lever-gun in the same caliber. 38 special will run in both and is cheap, 357 is more than powerful enough for shooting people, out of the rifle it will take deer and will be good to about 150 yards.
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