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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 20:24:15 GMT
"...and so Randomnobody found himself leaping from thread to thread. Striving to not answer questions that once were posed. And hoping each time, that the next thread will be the thread to the perfect response..."
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 5, 2008 20:30:39 GMT
Buh?
Hey, I'm just saying, swords aren't the best weapon available in 1100 AD. Especially the swords being made now for less than $300.
I'd rather pick up a big stick when I got there and whack a head or two until I could..."acquire"...a decent sword/axe/mace/pole arm rather than tempt fate with a sub-par reproduction riddled with faults that I wouldn't be able to address in such an environment.
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Post by kidcasanova on Nov 5, 2008 20:39:35 GMT
I honestly dont think you could afford a GOOD sword back then, and modern sub-300 swords are just as good as munitions grade swords of the era. You get an Albion and you're WAAAAY ahead of the curve for back then.
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 5, 2008 21:15:00 GMT
I would think even a Deepeeka in the hand would make a better club than some random stick I might find in the bush, but hey suit yourself. ;D
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 5, 2008 21:56:31 GMT
A random stick sure, but in a fight, I'll take a quarterstaff over a sword anyday. With a good stout stave , I'll have my choice of weapons from attackers I've knocked senseless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 22:02:07 GMT
My goodness the way you guys talk about sub $300 dollar swords in such a negative light, I'm glad I was able to get them out of the shipping box without it snapping in half. Evidently sub 300 sword are secretly made outta basal wood and will break in a stiff breeze.
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Post by YlliwCir on Nov 5, 2008 22:23:17 GMT
Good point, Facina. Especially on a board focused on just that niche. Sure, the pricier swords are better and I see the point of forgoing weapons altogether and trying to avoid combat. However accepting the premise that there will be combat and within the parameters stated at the beginning being a sub $300 sword, I think their are some good options at least to start with, no reason I couldn't trade up after killing a few if I survive. ( I realize that's a stretch)
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 5, 2008 22:33:03 GMT
Just to be clear, I haven't said a bad thing about sub $300 swords.. in fact I selected a sub $300 sword earlier in the thread , in the spirit of the what's a good sub $300 sword premise...
However in the larger picture, as others have pointed out, were I really to wake up in 1100 ad , I'd rather have a few novelty items... a Bic Lighter, an MP3 player, a flashlight , anything that may make people mistake me for a great wizard, or Saint...
I'm just not enough of a swordsman to cross swords with any warrior of that era... and if it came down to it, I think I'd be better off with a quarter staff than with a $3000 sword, much less a $300 one
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 1:33:20 GMT
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Post by shadowhowler on Nov 6, 2008 2:28:00 GMT
Buh? Hey, I'm just saying, swords aren't the best weapon available in 1100 AD. Especially the swords being made now for less than $300. I'd rather pick up a big stick when I got there and whack a head or two until I could..."acquire"...a decent sword/axe/mace/pole arm rather than tempt fate with a sub-par reproduction riddled with faults that I wouldn't be able to address in such an environment. "Let's talk about taxes. So, (Insert name here), what is your tax plan?" "Well, taxes are important... but I'd like to take a minute to talk about healthcare and alternative energy sources."
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Post by alvin on Nov 6, 2008 2:36:06 GMT
Buh? Hey, I'm just saying, swords aren't the best weapon available in 1100 AD. Especially the swords being made now for less than $300. I'd rather pick up a big stick when I got there and whack a head or two until I could..."acquire"...a decent sword/axe/mace/pole arm rather than tempt fate with a sub-par reproduction riddled with faults that I wouldn't be able to address in such an environment. "Let's talk about taxes. So, (Insert name here), what is your tax plan?" "Well, taxes are important... but I'd like to take a minute to talk about healthcare and alternative energy sources." Well..That's OK I suppose. But my sons' father-in-law has lost almost $400K from his 401K since January.
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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 6, 2008 2:40:10 GMT
"Let's talk about taxes. So, (Insert name here), what is your tax plan?" "Well, taxes are important... but I'd like to take a minute to talk about healthcare and alternative energy sources." Well..That's OK I suppose. But my sons' father-in-law has lost almost $400K from his 401K since January. I think shadowhowler was accusing random of being a "politician" in his answers... not really bringing up politics. Sorry if I am being an overly-explanatory buffoon. ;D
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Post by alvin on Nov 6, 2008 2:45:18 GMT
Well..That's OK I suppose. But my sons' father-in-law has lost almost $400K from his 401K since January. I think shadowhowler was accusing random of being a "politician" in his answers... not really bringing up politics. Sorry if I am being an overly-explanatory buffoon. ;D You're not a buffoon Mike !! But, I see that I did understand howler's intent after all. I wanted to join in in the spirit of things, so to speak. I was afraid that I hadn't and was going to embarrass myself in front of everyone again. . Edit - Oh yeah, have you seen the new thread in myArmoury where they're saying that New Jersey is going to regulate (ban) martial arts training? www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=14636 I've looked it over briefly, and don't really see it that way but, I'm down here - not up there.
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 6, 2008 3:52:32 GMT
You kids have fun, then.
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Post by alvin on Nov 6, 2008 4:20:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 4:39:59 GMT
Hmmm... OK, swords were not the primary weapon on the 1100AD battlefield; but if you were wealthy enough, it was one that you carried. There were some fine glue makers back then, but no 5-minute battlefield epoxies were available. Since the premise is an out-of-the-box sword, not a previously acquired blade which has been tested and personalized... I'd have to at least go with a peened pommel; since hours of battling trails has shown me what a screwed together sword (even epoxied) will (or won't) do under pressure. I like a two-hander; but my arm and confidence levels do just fine with the single. I also would want to know it was heavy enough to take a beating on a shield, from the missed strokes. Part of being psyched for battle is confidence in both weapons and self. I've not had the pleasure of many of the beloved ready-made swords* touted here; but I have spent the better part of a day recently with the Gen2 10th C Viking constantly in hand - and I would trust it to defend my life. I'll likely pick up more Generation 2 swords in future. *(most of my experience has been with hand forged blades from around 15 years ago, which had to be tested before putting the time and money into the hardware and scabbards; mostly from the Phillipines, I believe).
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Post by rammstein on Nov 6, 2008 18:07:57 GMT
I honestly dont think you could afford a GOOD sword back then, and modern sub-300 swords are just as good as munitions grade swords of the era. You get an Albion and you're WAAAAY ahead of the curve for back then. That's an assumtion not basedon facts. Many of albions offerings are based on munitions grade finds. In my opinion, it's the hilts of mostmodern day swords that are most concering, but it's this exact area that munitions grade swords seem to excell on - having perfect fits. Windlass et al just fenagle their way past this without much care. Even though modern day sub 300 dollar swords had better steel to be sure, they are still FAR less solid than those of the past.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 2:37:26 GMT
I don't know rammy. My gen 2 hilt assembly seems pretty dang strong. The hanwei ones I have seen are pretty well done as well in general. The windlass...well some are good...other not so much...but hey, it's windlass, we expect this from them . But yeah, I do agree with the sentiment there though. Strong blade means nothing if the hilt assembly is junk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 7:00:30 GMT
I distributed Windlass stuff for a number of years and it kind of jaded me because of their terrible QC. About half the products I was getting directly from them had some sort of problem that should have been caught before it left the factory.
The only Windlass I might trust would be the Ulfberht or Sticklestad Viking models. I own both and they are pretty solid cutters with solid fits.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 7:30:40 GMT
I picked the Gen 2 myself. I would go with the Henry V sword and an large heater shield.
My second choice would be the Windlass Ulfberht. The Windlass Classic Medieval is one of the hardest hitting single handers I have come across. I'm just not too happy with the tightness of the hilt assembly. I don't know if they have improved it.
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