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Post by ShooterMike on Nov 1, 2008 3:26:12 GMT
Out of period...oh definately...but there was no restriction that said the sword HAD to be period matching ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . And the later designs gives me an advantage and I'm taking it hehe. But then you'd screw up history. Didnt cha read Timeline? ![:P](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) And with Coldy's luck, his sword would survive and be found in the mid 1900s, thus throwing a monkey wrench into Ewart Oakeshott's whole typology gig. BLASPHEMY I SAY!!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 3:32:55 GMT
Out of period...oh definately...but there was no restriction that said the sword HAD to be period matching ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . And the later designs gives me an advantage and I'm taking it hehe. But then you'd screw up history. Didnt cha read Timeline? ![:P](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Bah, you obviously don't watch enough star trek. The time line can't possibly get messed up...paradox and story continuity be damned ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 10:25:23 GMT
keeping it in the Sub $300 range, but out of time-line....my Windlass Scottish back-sword paired with a buckler or the Verneuil.
Slightly over the $300 mark......without a doubt...I'll go for my Armour Class mortuary always.........(my precious)
If I had a Darkwood piece,,, it would surely be the Gothic beauty....
cheers,
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 19:09:40 GMT
I would go with a Gen 2 Templar Sword. I would shorten it about 3 inches for use on foot and of course would need a nice heater with a steel rim to go with it. The sword and shield fighitng style is my bread and butter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 20:31:19 GMT
Yes, my questions as well, I am ordering the DSA 10th c. Viking sword on what I've seen and heard, I'm going to get the windlass Norge Viking as well be cause of the price for both, AND since my old Coldsteel was a windlass reworked blade any way.....
Direct input IS necessary, Not I heard it from so and so who heard it from..........
.........SanMarc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 20:41:58 GMT
Please pray tell where you expect to find epoxy in the middle of a battlefield...much less one in 1100 AD? Hell ANYWHERE in 1100 AD as it won't be invented yet...and resin is a very poor substitue. Oh no, my hilt assembly is coming apart in the middle of this swing...wham, your dead...thanks for playing. Cracked handle core? Yep that's a death coming too. In modern times, not to big a deal, go to the hardware store and fix it yourself. In 1100AD...yeah that'll be the last sword I take. And this isn't even taking into account bad balance or weight. But hey if your a fan, that's fine. I'm really not until they improve. And using epoxy on the lug nut is not what consider fixing the issues (loose fitting) but a bandaid that ruins the whole point of having a threaded tang. At that point, they should have just peened the bloodying thing to being with. And why can't they do that easily if they are forging their own stuff anyways? Humm? Do you want me to go further? Don't worry, DSA isn't the only ones I have gripes about. In fact ALL sub 300 swords kinda get that from me...but then again I even have gripes about Del Tins and even Atrims...and even a minor one about albions(although they are REALLY nice swords). I guess I'll just have to go the custom route to be truely happy ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 21:28:23 GMT
Ok, thats a fair opinion, I would say as well on having to modify to my liking just about any sword anyways, and think about hideglue, you couldn't get it right away, but some one would have it........And a little Latin would go a long way at getting the locals to understand you depending where you are...(Eruop)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 23:27:21 GMT
Hell, the pinto was a good car compared to the escort!!!!
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Post by randomnobody on Nov 1, 2008 23:40:30 GMT
Just a reminder to those who seem to have missed it that the point of the thread is what brand-new-out-of-the-box modern sword (that means you will not have the option for fixing it) that you would feel most comfortable with if you suddenly found yourself in 1100 AD. If you think an 1100 AD battlefield is a good place to sharpen your DSA, rehilt it, and buy glue...forget it.
Does DSA make good swords? They're okay...I wouldn't say good yet, though. The reviews I've seen have been all over the board and that's not something I'd want to wake up to in 1100 AD.
I wouldn't trust any modern sword, especially a sub-$300 sword, on a medieval battlefield. Least of all DSA and Windlass. Hanwei and even Gen2 would be a stretch. MAYBE an Atrim, Albion, or something from Arms & Armor...but that doesn't apply ro this thread.
Neither does how easy it is (not that it should be necessary) to make a DSA sword...usable.
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Post by kidcasanova on Nov 1, 2008 23:50:55 GMT
Mythos, saying the swords in good condition were discarded for being undesirable is like saying the longbow was a worthless weapon because there was a high-quality find on the Mary Rose.
The topic isnt about what was available in 1100, it was about which of the given choices we would prefer (IE risk our lives with) if we suddenly found ourselves in that century.
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Post by mythosequidae on Nov 2, 2008 0:09:07 GMT
Have you ever watched the historical recreations on the History Channel? There is one about sword fighting. They historically suited very fit individuals to fight on soft sand. I'm sure there are pro reenactment fighters here that will attest to the findings that you CANNOT effectively wield a sword for more than a few minutes at a time. I would say that a medieval warrior fought for a few moments and then retired to the back of the line to wait for his turn at the front again. Lots of time for glueing and fixing. Ha ha. I know kid. I was just thinking that finding a weapon artifact does not mean that it is a good example. If you find many fitting examples then yes.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 2, 2008 0:11:53 GMT
Have you ever watched the historical recreations on the History Channel? There is one about sword fighting. They historically suited very fit individuals to fight on soft sand. I'm sure there are pro reenactment fighters here that will attest to the findings that you CANNOT effectively wield a sword for more than a few minutes at a time. I would say that a medieval warrior fought for a few moments and then retired to the back of the line to wait for his turn at the front again. Lots of time for glueing and fixing. Ha ha. THis I think is news to those of us who spend hours in dojo training, or SCA , or Schola ... whatever your poison
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Post by rammstein on Nov 2, 2008 0:21:06 GMT
What sword would I carry if I were to magically appear in 1100 ad?
Let's be practical here - none.
I don't speak any old languages, I don't know the customs, I don't know the people, and I sure as hell don't know the landscape. To the locals, I would apppear as a strange foreigner, and with a sword, I'd appear as a threat. Not something I'd go for if I desired to actually live.
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Post by mythosequidae on Nov 2, 2008 0:22:15 GMT
I have no personal experience. I just know that the individuals on that program were using large blades and were totally exhausted after a few moments. That is the only info I have. I know that people can swing heavy mauls or pickaxes for quite a while, but those are rythmic blows. Are you saying that you are able to rapidly cut and defend for .......how long? One more thing....how do you get that box around the paste that denotes who said what?
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Post by hotspur on Nov 2, 2008 0:31:03 GMT
What sword would I carry if I were to magically appear in 1100 ad? Let's be practical here - none. I don't speak any old languages, I don't know the customs, I don't know the people, and I sure as hell don't know the landscape. To the locals, I would apppear as a strange foreigner, and with a sword, I'd appear as a threat. Not something I'd go for if I desired to actually live. Ah, the question though would not be who is going back but what is going back. I do admit the premise fraught with folly in general but the poll seems to be wanting "best sword" category. FWIW, the thread is not much more than popcorn fodder but we might as well read while some get an idea from it. No? Maybe the sense is to pick a new flavor of the variety this month. Cheers Hotspur; it matters hardly than picking a favorite beverage
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 2, 2008 0:37:05 GMT
I have no personal experience. I just know that the individuals on that program were using large blades and were totally exhausted after a few moments. That is the only info I have. I know that people can swing heavy mauls or pickaxes for quite a while, but those are rythmic blows. Are you saying that you are able to rapidly cut and defend for .......how long? Having never been in a medieval battle I don't know...but when life and limb depend on it you can do it as long as it takes... or get a long rest in the ravens gullett.. Hardly matters, as the sword was not the primary weapon of war usually... The Romans that defeated Queen Boudicca did a fair bit of gladius work that day...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2008 0:40:44 GMT
It would depend on Where in 1100 AD I woke up. I put Cold Steel for the Gim in case of China, since that's the area I am doing a lot of studying of, and hopefully my wife would be with me. In which case at least one of us would be able to understand the language.
If it was Europe, well, neither of us could understand the language at least at first. Olde English as spoken by the peasants isn't the same as modern English by any stretch, and neither of us knows any French. And that's just England. Of course, if I woke up there, I'd want a Gen 2 sword.
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Post by rammstein on Nov 2, 2008 0:41:26 GMT
I have no personal experience. I just know that the individuals on that program were using large blades and were totally exhausted after a few moments. That is the only info I have. I know that people can swing heavy mauls or pickaxes for quite a while, but those are rythmic blows. Are you saying that you are able to rapidly cut and defend for .......how long? Having never been in a medieval battle I don't know...but when life and limb depend on it you can do it as long as it takes... or get a long rest in the ravens gullett.. Hardly matters, as the sword was not the primary weapon of war usually... The Romans that defeated Queen Boudicca did a fair bit of gladius work that day... The Romans that defeated queen Boudicca had a system set up so that each legionnaire rotated fighting and moved to the back after a set time. This does, however, beg the question of whether or not the inhabitants of medieval europe also had a similar strategy in order to avoid one person fighting while ten stood behind him and waiting for him to die.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Nov 2, 2008 0:49:21 GMT
Having never been in a medieval battle I don't know...but when life and limb depend on it you can do it as long as it takes... or get a long rest in the ravens gullett.. Hardly matters, as the sword was not the primary weapon of war usually... The Romans that defeated Queen Boudicca did a fair bit of gladius work that day... The Romans that defeated queen Boudicca had a system set up so that each legionnaire rotated fighting and moved to the back after a set time. This does, however, beg the question of whether or not the inhabitants of medieval europe also had a similar strategy in order to avoid one person fighting while ten stood behind him and waiting for him to die. True enough, but as I understand it there was a crush of body press upon their sheild wall for some time that disallowed such rotation for long periods... my understanding was that this press of bodys funneled into the sheild wall was what allowed the monumental defeat of the much larger force.
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Post by rammstein on Nov 2, 2008 0:51:18 GMT
The Romans that defeated queen Boudicca had a system set up so that each legionnaire rotated fighting and moved to the back after a set time. This does, however, beg the question of whether or not the inhabitants of medieval europe also had a similar strategy in order to avoid one person fighting while ten stood behind him and waiting for him to die. True enough, but as I understand it there was a crush of body press upon their sheild wall for some time that disallowed such rotation for long periods... my understanding was that this press of bodys funneled into the sheild wall was what allowed the monumental defeat of the much larger force. tru 'nuff. But wasn't much of the gladius work mentioned also happening in rotation as well?
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