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Post by mrstabby on May 20, 2023 18:29:28 GMT
Any idea what he was planning? I mean around here there are some guys, one strikes up a conversation in broken english "where is next bus station" and his partner slits open your bag/backpack to take it all. Or like take the bag if it sits on the stool besides you while you explain. Its known, the people are known, almost famous. Police can't do anything because their passport says they are 14, so no deportation and no jail. And those same people have stabbed people when they didn't get what they wanted at night. Fortunately, because of their fame, almost everyone stayed clear of the park they were in, so very little happened after a few incidents. So sometimes you can guess, what they have planned. They are still here, still criming as far as I know, but stay to their park for some reason. They have stopped stabbing people and begun selling drugs instead.
Some things you should stay away from. The friendlier the smile, the sharper the knife.
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 20:15:34 GMT
No, I can only guess. Intelligence has not been listed but should be at the top of the list. Maybe one should substitute street smart for intelligence. My son visited me twice and managed to get robbed both times. Lucky for him it wasn’t his property he lost, a sombrilla belonging to me and a camera belonging to his wife. In the case of the sombrilla, he was attending a party as my guest and removed his jacket throwing it on the unguarded sofa with the sombrilla in the pocket. On leaving the jacket was still there but no sombrilla. With the camera, he was down with a church group to work on an orphanage that the church had an interest in. During the visit he met a poor man, and being the religious man my son is, he decided they should pray. When he opened his eyes both the man and camera were nowhere to be seen. I could put some words around that but religious discussions are forbidden. I nearly forgot, they tried him again immediately afterwards. He was approached by someone claiming to know the guilty man who he would get for money. I know this as my son asked my opinion to which I said to save his money, the camera was gone. I can give countless stories, two of which involve my army buddy. It could be three, the last cost him his house because of a slicky-slick girl, and I won’t go into that. The first, he stood too close to my iron outer fence while talking to two fellows. One reached through the fence and grabbed his gold chocker. My buddy is not a man to mess with, he was around when the Special Forces were organized and had 20 some years in with much experience. He thinks he broke the man’s arm; at any rate the choker fell on my side of the fence. The second was a group tour to Mexico. I’ve forgotten the occasion. They had landed and taken the group bus to wherever. They had disembarked and were standing around outside of the bus preparing for the next leg. His backpack was in the way, so he set it down while reaching for his bags in the bus’ luggage compartment. At that point someone grabbed the backpack and ran, never more to be seen. In fact, he almost had a similar incident here. After landing and while going to the car I had one of his bags and a friendly ‘porter’ was beside me part way then gave up and approached my buddy. After the trunk was opened the ‘porter’ grabbed the bag he was carrying trying to relieve him of it. They were literally having a tug-of-with one at each at the end of the bag. I warned not to let the porter have the bag. We both said “no” several times, one woman said “no” twice and I can’t remember about the second woman. My buddy likes women. Hehe The porter insisted on not heeding our nos. As always one blow from the cane ended the discussion.
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Post by howler on May 21, 2023 0:05:14 GMT
I commented on this forum a few years back that a large umbrella saved my bacon from a VERY large dog that twice struck (destroyed the umbrella) before retreating (with belated calls from owner). I had just enough time to hear a ruckus to my right and pivot the umbrella and angle down before the dog hit. While late at night during the last of Summer I don't even know why I grabbed the umbrella because it really wasn't raining (first time I carried it) but I thought it might drizzle, so I chalk it up to the Big Guy upstairs looking after me. I remember the comment. Did you try opening and closing the umbrella repeatedly while advancing? The first strike happened so soon I barely had time to pivot turn and lower the umbrella into the rushing dogs path. I just stood my ground and aimed the umbrella at him while he circled, and advancing would have put me on the owners property if I took many paces forward. I really can't remember what I did before the second strike aside from yell HEY (or something along those lines) to the dog (who was circling me and looking for an opening). I've heard of the opening/closing umbrella tactic, kind of like what Peacocks & Turkeys (among other birds, animals) do with their feathers, in looking bigger and adding distracting movement so the predator can't focus on a specific bodily area. It was a big umbrella and the dog really had no target to aim his biting jaws at, and he just piled into the umbrella and then ran back. Makes me think of the idea of designing a sturdy umbrella with a spiked tip (or even one that released pepper spray, and you would be protected from blow back being on the other side of the umbrella).
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Post by pgandy on May 21, 2023 1:15:26 GMT
I remember the comment. Did you try opening and closing the umbrella repeatedly while advancing? A dog's favourite attack is from behind. I can only say be aware of your situation. Another tactic that has changed more than one dog’s mind is twirling and spinning a cane. I can’t remember which move goes with which name now, that part is unimportant. Before the government acted to rid the street dogs they were everywhere, especially in the parks. They would congregate there to eat the peoples’ leftovers and the benches offered some shelter. A single dog is one thing, two or more is another story. They would sometimes become territorial and start guarding their area. I’ve seen more than one man fight off a dog. I don’t care to go into detail here to cover all. But one story is one day a dog decided to make sport of me in a park. I turned, faced the dog, and begun spinning, or was it twirling the cane. I’m sure of the action but not the appropriate name. I advanced spinning until the dog retreated still spinning, climbing and descending knee high walls and crossing grass the signs said stay off. To make a long story short the dog made several stands only to retreat as my advance got close and by this time I was alternating spins and twirls. That oversize crook in my canes works wonders. Finally, the dog broke completely and ran out of the park. I don’t think anybody had seen anything like it. Thinking back on it I probably did make a good show. Believe it or not I got an applause and possibly some stood. That caught me totally off guard and I should have done a better job of acknowledging such a bow or something. I have since on several occasions helped to settle a dog’s mind by simply spinning the cane as I walked by.
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Post by howler on May 21, 2023 1:31:17 GMT
To bad that "dog training" performance wasn't filmed, with dramatic music added. You must have looked like something out of a classic Hollywood rapier flick. The Scarlet Pimpernel, featuring...Paul.
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Post by mrstabby on May 21, 2023 9:03:31 GMT
I remember the comment. Did you try opening and closing the umbrella repeatedly while advancing? The first strike happened so soon I barely had time to pivot turn and lower the umbrella into the rushing dogs path. I just stood my ground and aimed the umbrella at him while he circled, and advancing would have put me on the owners property if I took many paces forward. I really can't remember what I did before the second strike aside from yell HEY (or something along those lines) to the dog (who was circling me and looking for an opening). I've heard of the opening/closing umbrella tactic, kind of like what Peacocks & Turkeys (among other birds, animals) do with their feathers, in looking bigger and adding distracting movement so the predator can't focus on a specific bodily area. It was a big umbrella and the dog really had no target to aim his biting jaws at, and he just piled into the umbrella and then ran back. Makes me think of the idea of designing a sturdy umbrella with a spiked tip (or even one that released pepper spray, and you would be protected from blow back being on the other side of the umbrella). For animals, dogs specifically, a CS gas or the droplet sprays ("bear spray") seems best. Gels aren't that good, because an attacking dog is much harder to hit with it, and their nose is the most vulnerable part there. With pepper sprays you also need to look up the ingredients, oleoresin capsicum or OC content. It should be around 20% and there are sprays out there with like 5%, don't use those. I never encounter feral dogs, only badly trained ones with bad owners. Why would you leave your crappy mutt roaming free when he attacks everyone walking down the street? It seems these people never get into trouble even though there are leash laws. Also the pandemic did its part. I see more and more badly trained dogs around (pulling on leashes, going after me on my bike). It never happened to me before, but in 2022 I had 2 encounters where I almost hit a dog suddenly coming up on me trying to catch me. People just shouldn't own dogs when they are not capable to train and control them or at least get them trained by someone. Fortunately the dogs here aren't like german shepherds (sempriniesque agressive pugs and terriers mostly) and you can outrun them on a bike.
EDIT: I forgot to ask something. I don't have any experience with maces or war hammers. I know they do brutal damage, but in my mind something like that would be much harder to control. My only comparasion is an axe or normal hammer, and I'd much rather swing a stick or sword at an attacker. What do you think?
Especially for someone who has never used a mace/war hammer this would't be easy I imagine. I read somewhere the war hammers needed much experience and training to be used successfully in battle.
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Post by howler on May 21, 2023 18:10:39 GMT
The first strike happened so soon I barely had time to pivot turn and lower the umbrella into the rushing dogs path. I just stood my ground and aimed the umbrella at him while he circled, and advancing would have put me on the owners property if I took many paces forward. I really can't remember what I did before the second strike aside from yell HEY (or something along those lines) to the dog (who was circling me and looking for an opening). I've heard of the opening/closing umbrella tactic, kind of like what Peacocks & Turkeys (among other birds, animals) do with their feathers, in looking bigger and adding distracting movement so the predator can't focus on a specific bodily area. It was a big umbrella and the dog really had no target to aim his biting jaws at, and he just piled into the umbrella and then ran back. Makes me think of the idea of designing a sturdy umbrella with a spiked tip (or even one that released pepper spray, and you would be protected from blow back being on the other side of the umbrella). For animals, dogs specifically, a CS gas or the droplet sprays ("bear spray") seems best. Gels aren't that good, because an attacking dog is much harder to hit with it, and their nose is the most vulnerable part there. With pepper sprays you also need to look up the ingredients, oleoresin capsicum or OC content. It should be around 20% and there are sprays out there with like 5%, don't use those. I never encounter feral dogs, only badly trained ones with bad owners. Why would you leave your crappy mutt roaming free when he attacks everyone walking down the street? It seems these people never get into trouble even though there are leash laws. Also the pandemic did its part. I see more and more badly trained dogs around (pulling on leashes, going after me on my bike). It never happened to me before, but in 2022 I had 2 encounters where I almost hit a dog suddenly coming up on me trying to catch me. People just shouldn't own dogs when they are not capable to train and control them or at least get them trained by someone. Fortunately the dogs here aren't like german shepherds (sempriniesque agressive pugs and terriers mostly) and you can outrun them on a bike.
EDIT: I forgot to ask something. I don't have any experience with maces or war hammers. I know they do brutal damage, but in my mind something like that would be much harder to control. My only comparasion is an axe or normal hammer, and I'd much rather swing a stick or sword at an attacker. What do you think?
Especially for someone who has never used a mace/war hammer this would't be easy I imagine. I read somewhere the war hammers needed much experience and training to be used successfully in battle.
Heavy weapons I would think would be specialized against intruders wearing body armor and you ambush strike from doorways/hallways.
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Post by mrstabby on May 22, 2023 18:37:03 GMT
I’ve long advocated a sword and shield. And to me a shield carries the same importance as the sword. The question then arises as to type. I’ll say up front that a firearm trumps a sword. In some countries firearms are extremely hard to obtain and if a person obtains one from the black market while protecting one’ll have at least one charge against them in addition to whatever else the government chooses. So back to excluding firearms. I feel a shorter sword advantageous, at least for me as I’ll be in the house. While a gladius is good it was originally intended to be part of a weapons system, a sword and shield and that’s where it earned its reputation. Personally, I would depend on my cutlass, but certainly do not hold it head and shoulders above other blades such as a machete or kukri. I would be depending on my shield, most likely leading with it as a right-handed boxer would lead with his left when making an opening. But I’m experienced enough to know that there is no way in hell that I can sit here behind my computer and predict what will happen. I’m experienced fighting in the streets with a stick multiple times and once with a sword, but that is entirely story. As for a shield, I have two that I feel comfortable using, the third is too heavy and tiring. Although either way, I don’t expect the fight to last more than a few seconds, this is not Hollywood. One is a 12” buckler and the other is a 23” centre held round shield. That one gives more protection and handles like the buckler, light and fast. However, the rope border will cause the loose of effect compared to the steel edge of the buckler, but then I’m mainly making an opening. I designed it to contra machetes, and will trap a machete long enough to get in one power cut or thrust. A second choice is a powerful torch that will blind the adversary. It’s hanging next to the 23” shield, but I can use only one at a time. What are your opinions on how leaf bladed swords compare? The reason why I differentiate btw is that most later gladiuses ended up being straight edged.
At around 20 minutes he goes more into differences between leaf and straight gladius blades if anyone is interested.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on May 22, 2023 18:50:13 GMT
IIR Sha doesn’t have any WMA or MA training of any sort, let alone any military or LE background so I don’t know if he’s good for testing anything let alone analysis. Sure there’s other YouTubers who offer opinions and tips, usually in a less forceful way like but a whole lot of them like GarandThumb are actual vets and have some sort of career relating to their channel. Idk why I’d take home defense advice from a heavy set New Zealander with even less background on it than me.
Re violent dogs: can’t you guys call animal control on them? I have thankfully never had to do anything with an aggressive dog because here you just call the cops and let them know an aggressive dog is a public hazard and they’ll send the pound over and detain the dog till the owner pays a fine and promises not to do it again.
Also, hardwood canes were a popular accessory in the Victorian for a reason. If handguns are prohibited it could be an alternative. Wield a rod of ironwood like a sword and you could break a bone.
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Post by pgandy on May 22, 2023 19:46:24 GMT
IIR Sha doesn’t have any WMA or MA training of any sort, let alone any military or LE background so I don’t know if he’s good for testing anything let alone analysis. Sure there’s other YouTubers who offer opinions and tips, usually in a less forceful way like but a whole lot of them like GarandThumb are actual vets and have some sort of career relating to their channel. Idk why I’d take home defense advice from a heavy set New Zealander with even less background on it than me. Re violent dogs: can’t you guys call animal control on them? I have thankfully never had to do anything with an aggressive dog because here you just call the cops and let them know an aggressive dog is a public hazard and they’ll send the pound over and detain the dog till the owner pays a fine and promises not to do it again. Also, hardwood canes were a popular accessory in the Victorian for a reason. If handguns are prohibited it could be an alternative. Wield a rod of ironwood like a sword and you could break a bone. If I’m not mistaken Shade has training. He joked about this and his out of shape in one video. I’m not a fan of his and rarely watch his videos. No disrespect for Shade. I’m afraid that you missed the point. I said that I carried telescoping nanchakus in my pocket until I found that nunchakus kick back. I later found this video to illustrate what I was talking about. At that time I thought that I had broken my thumb. Are you saying that I shouldn’t worry about such? Animal Control? We have no such thing. And if we did what good are they when a 70-80 lb. dog is a few feet to a yard or so away with every intention of making mincemeat of me? By the time they got here an ambulance would be more appropiate. The second issue with your question would be location. Giving my location for a rescue could be a bit tricky. A most common question here is for a vehicle to pull up and ask where something is. I’ve even had ambulances do that. In my case, “Help me, help me, there’s a large dog about to attack me. I’m 960 yds. north of the church in Barva” [translated for your convenience]. Get real. It appears that you are comfortably setting in some distant country telling me how I should live? I can’t argue, swords where popular during Victorian times. There were schools on how to use them. They worked then, and mine does now. No firearms available here. I’d rather not carry an iron rod due to its weight, if nothing else. Besides it would be slower than my cane. But haven’t tried though. Many places would probably prohibit my doing so. A cane raises no suspicions and can be carried anywhere by law. Let me know if there is anything else that you are unclear on. I’m at your service.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on May 22, 2023 23:04:28 GMT
I’m surprised they both let dogs run unsupervised, even if they go feral and aggressive and also totally ban firearms. Is there no way you could get something like a 22 target rifle and use it with legal sanction if a large aggressive animal bites you? Suppressed 22lr is often used for coyote defense in America so I’m sure it would be enough for a feral dog. I really like animals but I’ve seen the damage a mauling can do www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/brooklinn-khoury-says-dog-shook-080156136.html so if someone has to shoot an animal that is attacking and will go on to attack more, which might even be rabid, that’s a sacrifice that has to be made. I wouldn’t really bother with nunchucks, it seems like a cane but without the reach and leverage advantage. In hikes where I haven’t carried my 380 I’ve used this huge hickory walking stick, not only helps with walking but in an emergency could be mean. I like leverage and distance. That way a threat can’t reach. A sword? I guess that could be better but weirdly enough swords are more regulated than guns in many places (north Carolina) so if I’m going to carry a restricted weapon I might as well just bite the bullet and bring a gun. Could you upgrade your cane to ironwood or something suitable for crushing but still plausibly just a fancy cane and not a weaponized club? PS, just thought of something: pellet rifles Lots of them come close to 22 and are used for coyote and copperhead snake defense but since they use air not gunpowder they’re less restricted. Are those available in your jurisdiction?
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Post by pgandy on Jun 8, 2023 16:34:00 GMT
I have repeatedly suggested a cane throughout the forum and in nearly every case been rebuffed. Usually by those that don’t know the cane nor my country. While I admit a firearm will trump, they are not always available or desired. Much of the time I get the feeling those doing so have little faith in their skill. I have lived in this country for nearly ¼ of a century and have tried several types of weapons for defense and have found a cane the best in my case, and it has proven itself against man and dogs. Below is a video of my style of cane. When I started Grand Master Shuey, I think was just starting his business, and like Thompson, was relying heavily on CDs. It appeared that he was grooming his son for the business, and his canes were reasonably priced. I have some at about $35. Now, there is no mention of his son, the business seems to be taken over by someone else, YouTube is the main source of information, and no mention of his son, Shuey Jr. I have carried a sword cane and on two occasions used the blade but find a Cane Masters by far more useful and is my EDC. A number of videos can be found on YouTube by doing a search as Cane Masters. Early on, one of my stick fighting instructors said, to know the crook is good, but I would most often use the shaft. I found this true, but find the crook everything and is the reason I prefer a Cane Master. The video below is from a seminar that the GM conducted years ago and emphasizes the crook, showing several scenes of twirls and spins that go almost unmentioned. They are very useful in warding off an attack and couldn’t be done without the crook. The video also shows the cane being used as a tonfa and other techniques if one knows what to look for. The video gives a reasonable overall effect of the cane. Knowing the pressure points also helps.
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Post by mrstabby on Jun 8, 2023 18:14:17 GMT
I have repeatedly suggested a cane throughout the forum and in nearly every case been rebuffed. Usually by those that don’t know the cane nor my country. While I admit a firearm will trump, they are not always available or desired. Much of the time I get the feeling those doing so have little faith in their skill. I have lived in this country for nearly ¼ of a century and have tried several types of weapons for defense and have found a cane the best in my case, and it has proven itself against man and dogs. Below is a video of my style of cane. When I started Grand Master Shuey, I think was just starting his business, and like Thompson, was relying heavily on CDs. It appeared that he was grooming his son for the business, and his canes were reasonably priced. I have some at about $35. Now, there is no mention of his son, the business seems to be taken over by someone else, YouTube is the main source of information, and no mention of his son, Shuey Jr. I have carried a sword cane and on two occasions used the blade but find a Cane Masters by far more useful and is my EDC. A number of videos can be found on YouTube by doing a search as Cane Masters. Early on, one of my stick fighting instructors said, to know the crook is good, but I would most often use the shaft. I found this true, but find the crook everything and is the reason I prefer a Cane Master. The video below is from a seminar that the GM conducted years ago and emphasizes the crook, showing several scenes of twirls and spins that go almost unmentioned. They are very useful in warding off an attack and couldn’t be done without the crook. The video also shows the cane being used as a tonfa and other techniques if one knows what to look for. The video gives a reasonable overall effect of the cane. Knowing the pressure points also helps. For the record: I am not saying a cane can't be a good self defense tool, we have been using sticks to snuff each other out for thousands of years quite efficiently, until we began tieing stones to them. I just have three caveats: 1- If you google the cane maker or specific cane and the first thing that comes up is "Self defense" or "tactical" or something, this can land you in hot water with cops some places. It needs to be an object you just happen to have that works for self defense, a weapon of opportunity. If it is intended as such, it will just be classed as a weapon. I am talking many EU countries like Austria, France, Germany, Italy, UK also Australia and Japan. Many airports around the world might not allow specific canes meant as a self defense weapons as well, I have seen some US airlines demand the cane be collapsable. Something to keep in mind when travelling. 2- If you use the cane in self defense and have no medical need to carry one, this can also get you into hot water some places as well. Yeah, better in jail than dead, still be careful, know your country's law. 3- The cane must be decent quality at least, something you made or someone made specifically for you is best, because then nobody can say "this cane was intended as a weapon, 'cause google says so" and you can choose good wood, like hickory or oak. It isn't that cut-and-dry, even with a plain stick. At home, I'd rather grab a short sword. I don't usually have my cane near my bed, my gladius is straight over head.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 8, 2023 22:07:17 GMT
I'm having a hard time justifying to myself the time for taking the time to respond. I’ve lived here for nearly 25 years, tried numerous weapons and have found that a cane works best for me and have listed several reasons why. The best reason, so far I have not touched on is in that time, and I’ve had more confrontations than I care to go into, I’ve survived all without so much as a scratch. It makes no difference to me what other's preferences are or think it should be. As for the caveats. #1 Cane Masters has changed much over the years and I no longer deal with them as their prices have become outrageous. And the new owner? has changed things drastically. Furthermore, I have enough to last more than a lifetime. As for “object you just happen to have that works for self defense, a weapon of opportunity” that can be applied to a pen, credit card, a street belt, to name a few and we would be in a world of hurt if baring. So much for hypothetical cases. Buy the cane for its intended purpose. International law dictates that a cane can be carried anywhere and is specific in its definition of a cane. What the man in the streets may think a cane is, may well not fit the international definition. It doesn't matter if in any of the countries that have been mentioned, airport, or whatever. I’ve carried mine through international airports, various countries, embassies, banks, government offices, or whatever that becomes upset with my 1⅜” Swiss Army pocket knife. If a cane happens to be in one's hand during a difficult time, so be it. At least one has it with him. #2 Develop a back problem, a balance problem, possibly a trick knee, or whatever. It would be far easier to pass off than walking around even a pellet gun as an EDC as has been suggested, or firearm. I’m not opposed to those, and in fact carried a Crosman 7713 in my bicycling days with good effect. #3 In the case of custom canes I’ve specified the length, type of wood, eyes, what engraving, if any, so I consider my canes are made for me. I’m considering taking action against memebers if getting injured in the next fight, if that’s the case, as until now I’ve won. Now that I know all of these hypothetical reasons that that could go wrong with what I’ve successfully been doing for the last untold years won’t work, I may well become injured. One might compare that with a bumble bee. Statistics show that he can’t fly, but not knowing this he continues to fly. I like canes. They work for me. Customizing can easily be done. More with eyes and head shape like bird with long beak. Snake Head and EDC cane both with eyes made from eye rings.
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Post by mrstabby on Jun 9, 2023 6:52:36 GMT
#1 Cane Masters has changed much over the years and I no longer deal with them as their prices have become outrageous. And the new owner? has changed things drastically. Furthermore, I have enough to last more than a lifetime. As for “object you just happen to have that works for self defense, a weapon of opportunity” that can be applied to a pen, credit card, a street belt, to name a few and we would be in a world of hurt if baring. So much for hypothetical cases. Buy the cane for its intended purpose. International law dictates that a cane can be carried anywhere and is specific in its definition of a cane. What the man in the streets may think a cane is, may well not fit the international definition. It doesn't matter if in any of the countries that have been mentioned, airport, or whatever. I’ve carried mine through international airports, various countries, embassies, banks, government offices, or whatever that becomes upset with my 1⅜” Swiss Army pocket knife. If a cane happens to be in one's hand during a difficult time, so be it. At least one has it with him.
It does matter though, if a cane isn't made as a cane, but a self defense device, it is't a cane any longer. As for the "weapon of opportunity". If you land on a gun, its OK to use, but you can't carry one. Legally speaking, it is different. Its about intended purpose. A cane will always be less conspicuous than a blade, because people don't see them as weapons. But if it is build with the intent of being used as a weapon, not to hold you up, its different. I can't talk about your country, but around here, your stick with the snake head would probably get you questioned.
The thing about bumblebees is, yes they shouldn't be able to fly on a cursory glance, but on closer inspection how the wings move, you can mathematically prove how it works.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 9, 2023 7:30:26 GMT
Indeed do bumblebees fly and young beefy men with a such a cane get into trouble if they try to enter the Oktoberfest. Not to speak of the annual sword cane idiot.
Nevertheless a cane can be good weapon, most of us just didn't agree in a post but with silent nodding.
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Post by mrstabby on Jun 9, 2023 8:22:00 GMT
I have a weapon ban area near me, and they take everything they suspect. Umbrella on a sunny day? "Come here, let me look at that!" with their hand on the pistol. It was very bad after the 2016 attack at the christmas market in berlin. The cops spincters would have been able to produce diamonds. "the annual sword cane idiot" I haven't seen any yet. The worst thing for me is thinking about the poor sword cane, that gets crushed by the cops...Or all the other knives and stuff they take. Poor things.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 9, 2023 12:23:22 GMT
MrStabby you have made my day, and am just short of literally lmao. At 84, next month, I can imagine the reaction from the police taking my cane on the grounds that I might hit someone with it. With that mentality their jail must be running over from the people carrying ballpoint pens on the grounds they stick someone.
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Post by mrstabby on Jun 9, 2023 12:39:46 GMT
Nobody ever has said police were reacting logically. As I said before, I am not speaking about you specifically. I have seen them exchange someones wooden cane for a loaner at the courthouse once, so it really depends on who and where you are. In the weapons free zone the'd just tell you you can't go there, when they think you or the cane are suspicious.
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Post by howler on Jun 9, 2023 22:07:44 GMT
In the end, one can only be as aware of the local weapons laws as possible and weigh the possible consequences regarding the defensive tool chosen individually (as well as impact on friends/family), and live with that choice. A proper cane is a fine choice, particularly among the older crowd. Big Gov can mess with anyone, even fussing over 84 year olds with canes, but man would that be a nit picky, ticky tacky abuse of power in my book...but I suppose crazier things have happened, like suspending first graders for taking bites out of sandwiches and pointing the L shaped things as guns at their friends.
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