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Post by mrstabby on May 19, 2023 16:24:59 GMT
Ahhh, the ceiling. I’m glad to report no real problems there, could have been though. I learned how disagreeable the ceiling fan was with a bo and practiced with bokkens and a short wooden dao. The fan still shows the effects. This made me appreciate the value of short blades within the house, no matter how careful you think you are. And for a home invasion... Don Quijote tilting at windmills? As long as nothing gets permanently damaged its not really bad.
Yeah, things hanging from ceilings always seem further away than they really are. Targets on the other hand alway appear to be closer than they really are for me. Don't know why, but I always hit further up the blade, closer to the tip, than I thought I would. The slow-mo video from my phone showed this, I thought I hit wat center of percussion but I was like 7cm closer to the tip. I correct for this since I have seen it, one little step close than I think I need to be. I think accuracy in a home defense situation might be a big issue when slashing. Stabbing is much easier to hit the spot I aim for, at least for me. On the other hand, if I was a burglar and came upon someone in his undies wildly swinging a sword everywhere without hitting me, I'd probably still run like hell...
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Post by Murffy on May 19, 2023 19:08:51 GMT
Not all accidents are preventable you know. Something can always happen even if you are careful. I was being snarky. I'm guilty of all of the above.
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Post by mrstabby on May 19, 2023 19:32:20 GMT
Not all accidents are preventable you know. Something can always happen even if you are careful. I was being snarky. I'm guilty of all of the above. Sorry, didn't get it. I distrust people who say they are above making mistakes. The worst drivers think they are perfect. Murphys law says anything that can go wrong will go wrong sooner or later. Handle a sword long enough, and it will bite you one way or the other.
Again, sorry. But it's nice to know, its not only happening to you, isn't it?
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Post by pgandy on May 19, 2023 19:52:21 GMT
I’ve reposted the video below to save the reader the inconvenience of going back through this thread. The subject of this post is at mark 42:38 and it being duplicated again at 45:17, so no fluke. Include sticks as you will also find in the video in the approximate location, there is more than one. I call it the ‘nunchakuer’s secret’. It is something you see rarely, make it non-existent, with the “experts” you see on YouTube. I place their videos at the same level as the bo experts doing the same. Using the purpose built bos for twirling will do so showing off their skill. I must ask, who won a fight twirling their stick behind their back. I carried telescoping nunchakus in my pocket until I learned their nasty habit, and that is they will kick back on you, make no mistake about it. When it happened to me, I thought that I had broken my thumb. That is when I switched to a manrikigusari. I have both homemade and commercial models. In fact, they fit the pocket better. But alternately I chose a stick. A cane is legal to carry anywhere. My combat canes are about 1⅛” in diameter and mostly made of oak, but do have some hickory and other woods. I don’t have the evidence of the result that Shad has but can say that bouncing that stick off someone’s head sounds like someone hitting a home run in the ball park, but in the street somewhat sickening. OK, in all my classes it was emphasized and MP baton training too to use caution there if not to avoid the head altogether. We were taking a quick break after a few seconds of dancing feeling each other out and I saw an opening and reflex took over from there with a British no. 6. Targeting the back of hand is not so dramatic but will also end the discussion immediately. I find the one MAJOR advantage of a cane is that it is already in the hand and ready for use.
As for Shad jumping with glee because his machete like gladius is capable of cutting a coconut, all of mine will. As Gabe Humphries would say, if a machete won’t cut a coconut, it isn’t worth the name of a machete [paraphrased].
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 7:06:36 GMT
I see Shad went on to test nunchakus and a stick. Evidently that video rubbed the nanchakuers the wrong way and Shad received many nasty grams. So, he made the video below explaining himself with both a stick and nunchaku. Note his protection. I feel it explains my feeling regarding both.
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Post by mrstabby on May 20, 2023 7:37:31 GMT
Honestly, if we are discussing other weapons, you are much better off with a gel pepper spray than either a sword or a stick as a first line defense. More range, damage over time bonus and less legal issues for the most part. If someone can power through pepper spray, he won't be dissuaded by hits from a stick. Like pepper spray staff weapons are more pain complience than deadly. Only if you go for the head it's deadly for sure. You can go for liver or hip shots, which will drop the opponent, but you need to hit just right. And in a confined space swinging a stick or bat is probably pretty restricted. If you walk with a stick, sure go for it, but all accounts I have read and heard, pepper spray is worse than anything you could do with a weapon, except killing someone.
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 8:41:58 GMT
The title includes the word ‘implements’.
There is nothing in the title restricting the conversation I carried CS pepper spray. CS, which was probably the strongest out there, has since dropped the line, and was picked up by another company, I think. The packaging is different but the contents seem the same. I found it good and would be carrying it today, but it’s not available to me. As far as being superior to a stick I will have to firmly disagree. When I say ‘stick’ I am referring to a stick being in the form of a cane. In some areas pepper spray is illegal. A cane by international is not and nobody can prevent me from carrying a cane. I’ve been through some countries’ highest level security points with a cane with no problem, I dare say pepper spray would not have passed. As for use, maybe not as great as you think. The wind will play a factor. In rain? I noticed that after all of CS ads they used water to deaden the effects. So, I suspect rain will lessen the effects. What nobody says, and I figured it out, is why Thompson when demonstrating would always be in a fully backing mode. Once sprayed there are particles, micro unseen particles, remaining in the air that will have an adverse effect on the user. So be careful.
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Post by mrstabby on May 20, 2023 8:43:07 GMT
Thats why I say use the gel version, not the spray. There is almost no backdraft with my spray at least. There are 2 forms, no 3, a spray, that makes a cone of small droplets, a gel, that makes a stream of gel, like a water pistol. And then there is CS gas, this will go everywhere, I hate this version, this will get everyone in a radius of 10metres, yuck. CS is a different chemical than OC aka pepper spray.
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 8:57:46 GMT
Sorry, I missed gel. However, most of my response still holds. In some areas that could be illegal. A person should check. A legal technicality there with the word gel vs spray. Passing through check points may be a problem. I can board an airplane and have done so with a cane. Security will prevent have doing so with your spray. I have carried my canes through some countries’ tightest check points, embassy, armory, etc. with no issues. I suspect spray will not pass.
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Post by mrstabby on May 20, 2023 9:11:38 GMT
It depends on the cane, some canes can be classified as weapons and could be illegal to use in some countries. Also normal run of the mill canes probably won't survive the first impact. Something you can get everywhere I mean. Security might prevent a cane too if they find it suspect. I have seen them taking a cold steel walking stick from someone in a weapons free zone. Be careful if you don't need a stick for walking. You shuld always check the laws first, of course.
The gel vs spray might be a legal technicallity, but it makes a world of difference in use, I say all of this under the umbrella that carrying it is allowed. I can't make a recommendation for every country. In austria you could run around with a Zweihänder on your back, you would get dirty looks, but its fine to carry. In germany you'd get problems with a knife longer than 15cm 12cm I believe it was.
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 14:19:34 GMT
It depends on the cane, some canes can be classified as weapons and could be illegal to use in some countries. Also normal run of the mill canes probably won't survive the first impact. Something you can get everywhere I mean. Security might prevent a cane too if they find it suspect. I have seen them taking a cold steel walking stick from someone in a weapons free zone. Be careful if you don't need a stick for walking. You shuld always check the laws first, of course.
The gel vs spray might be a legal technicallity, but it makes a world of difference in use, I say all of this under the umbrella that carrying it is allowed. I can't make a recommendation for every country. In austria you could run around with a Zweihänder on your back, you would get dirty looks, but its fine to carry. In germany you'd get problems with a knife longer than 15cm 12cm I believe it was.
The international law also defines a cane and what many define as a cane, such as walking sticks do not meet the definition. The international law defines a cane as a medical device and goes on to better describe a cane in better detail. Also, if carrying a legal internationally qualified cane, one states that it’s a weapon the game changes. An individual country can not over ride that ruling. I’ve carried a Cane Masters of various types for nearly 20 years had multiple scraps and yet to damage the first one. I’ve been there and done that more than once by far. Tell me more. Cane Master has change much in the nearly 20 years I’ve known of them. And their prices can be considered out rageous now. I have them from years back and as little as $35/cane. None of mine have a palm rest, something that they have come up with since buying, nor would I choose that option. canemasters.com/As for gel pepper spray or nor old fashion spray I’m not against either, and would be carrying today, especially the gel, if available. The carry is restricted in some areas and does have some disadvantages that I pointed out. I am not opposed to the spray by any means and have carried a cane and spray simultaneously. And would be today if available to me. Edit: While one reaches for their pocket for spray or whatever I’ve already struck with my cane. That one of the beauties of a cane, it’s always in my hand, a game changer.
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Post by Murffy on May 20, 2023 14:54:20 GMT
During the covid lock-downs, I took to walking a lot, ranging far and wide from my house and often through some pretty tough neighborhoods. It's a habit I've kept up. Through all of it, I've never felt threatened by any person, but I have felt threatened by dogs, particularly pit-bulls. At first I started carrying pepper spray, but the potential rapidity of a dog attack seemed problematic in terms of deploying it effectively.
When sorting through old junk, I found in my tackle box a fish whacker, a weighted truncheon about 9.5 inches long. Perfect! Fits easily in a jacket or coat pocket, or, when it's warm, in a water-bottle carrier I take with me. I've never had to use it, but one day, some kind of pit-bull mix ran at me and started barking at my heels. It had a shock collar on and obviously had broken through its barrier. I reached for the fish whacker. Before the club even cleared my pocket, the dog bolted and disappeared between houses. It was strange, like it knew immediately the tables had been turned.
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 16:04:39 GMT
I’ve had more issues with dogs than anything else. The government has now taken action and I now no longer see wild ones, or street dogs, as they are generally called. There are still occasional attacks and deaths but these come from pets on the loose. In last several weeks we had such a fatality, I think a child in this case and German Shepherd. While I chose a cane, an umbrella or its smaller brother known as a sombrilla is amazingly effective, one of the best if not the best in my opinion. Point to the dog while opening and closing it. If one walks aggressively towards the dog it helps. For added good measure throw in being vocal, something I haven't done. A sombrilla should fit into your coat pocket and your bottle carrier as if they were designed for each other and be lighter than a fish whacker.
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Post by mrstabby on May 20, 2023 16:39:27 GMT
Edit: While one reaches for their pocket for spray or whatever I’ve already struck with my cane. That one of the beauties of a cane, it’s always in my hand, a game changer. And if someone comes up to you with a drawn spray and gives you a dose to the eyes, the cane isn't any better than any other weapon you can carry. Unless you run around in a gas mask all the time.
About the cane: If your cane, walking stick, etc is strenghened in a way as to make it more effective as a weapon, for example german police will give you a felony for posessing an illegal weapon if you use it agains a human. Batons are illegal to carry, the stick is made to be a baton, therefore it's illegal. Thats why they can take your stick in some cases. If they think it is a fighting stick. And about breaking sticks, I am talking about lower end canes, especially those made from aluminium, will fold after one good hit. Made for compressive strength, not hitting people. Some wood of yourse will do better than others, it depends.
You said you don't carry a spray any longer, is it illegal where you are now? Looking at europe its so wierd to see, in one country its illegal to posess, in the neighbour country they want everyone to have them.
Those things are on the same list as hand grenades and fully automatic weapons in germany and austria (so very illegal=, and in switzerland you need a weapons license to own one
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Post by howler on May 20, 2023 17:13:04 GMT
I’ve had more issues with dogs than anything else. The government has now taken action and I now no longer see wild ones, or street dogs, as they are generally called. There are still occasional attacks and deaths but these come from pets on the loose. In last several weeks we had such a fatality, I think a child in this case and German Shepherd. While I chose a cane, an umbrella or its smaller brother known as a sombrilla is amazingly effective, one of the best if not the best in my opinion. Point to the dog while opening and closing it. If one walks aggressively towards the dog it helps. For added good measure throw in being vocal, something I haven't done. A sombrilla should fit into your coat pocket and your bottle carrier as if they were designed for each other and be lighter than a fish whacker. I commented on this forum a few years back that a large umbrella saved my bacon from a VERY large dog that twice struck (destroyed the umbrella) before retreating (with belated calls from owner). I had just enough time to hear a ruckus to my right and pivot the umbrella and angle down before the dog hit. While late at night during the last of Summer I don't even know why I grabbed the umbrella because it really wasn't raining (first time I carried it) but I thought it might drizzle, so I chalk it up to the Big Guy upstairs looking after me.
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 17:18:56 GMT
I commented on this forum a few years back that a large umbrella saved my bacon from a VERY large dog that twice struck (destroyed the umbrella) before retreating (with belated calls from owner). I had just enough time to hear a ruckus to my right and pivot the umbrella and angle down before the dog hit. While late at night during the last of Summer I don't even know why I grabbed the umbrella because it really wasn't raining (first time I carried it) but I thought it might drizzle, so I chalk it up to the Big Guy upstairs looking after me. I remember the comment. Did you try opening and closing the umbrella repeatedly while advancing?
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Post by mrstabby on May 20, 2023 17:30:18 GMT
I remember the comment. Did you try opening and closing the umbrella while advancing? This works well on single dogs! I have not had the displeasuere of encountering a feral one though, they might be more tenacious. And when they are in a group its real bad. Never been there, but have seen videos. When there is more than 3 or so, they don't fear anything anymore....
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 17:55:07 GMT
mrstabby . I see a lot of ifs in your post, many being totally irrelevant, such as the laws in countries where the poster does not live. Such statements would be valid if planning a visit. You can make any statement true by using if. In my first MA class I learned for every move there is a counter move. In other words nothing is supreme or foolproof. I see no point in bringing in a premise that did not occur at the time of the incident. I have experienced what I have written. What any arm chair theory purposes who has not been there telling me that what I’ve done would not or should not work in my book is worthless. Admittedly I’ve been lucky. Will it work the next time? I hope so but there are no guarantees. I also know when to retreat or stay clear.
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Post by mrstabby on May 20, 2023 18:14:02 GMT
mrstabby . I see a lot of ifs in your post, many being totally irrelevant, such as the laws in countries where the poster does not live. Such statements would be valid if planning a visit. You can make any statement true by using if. In my first MA class I learned for every move there is a counter move. Nothing is supreme or foolproof. I see no point in bringing in a premise that did not occur at the time of the incident. I have experienced what I have written. So, what any arm chair theory purposes who has not been there telling me that what I’ve done would not or should not work in my book is worthless. Admittedly I’ve been lucky. Will it work the next time? I hope so but there are no guarantees. I also know when to retreat or stay clear. To be honest, I don't know where any of you live, so don't be pissy please. And not only the poster is reading this, thats why context matters.
It's a discussion after all, right? I am not attacking you in any way or form. I just point out there isn't a right or wrong way. it depends, every situation is so different, you can't use one plan every time. You also can't always retreat or see the situation coming. Also this thread started as defense against people. Thats what I have in mind when posting. And people behave very differently in such situations than dogs. Much more unpredictable.
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Post by pgandy on May 20, 2023 18:18:38 GMT
I do not consider myself as indestructible and go ploughing through regardless of the odds. Some mentality is also of importance. As an example; while walking down a street in the capital a friendly chap fell in and struck up a conversation. During the conversation the opportunity arose and I said that I was on the way to my lawyer as I had an appointment. The chap disappeared in a blink. Looking for another victim, no doubt. He mistook me for a tourist.
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