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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 18:07:15 GMT
Wraith, speaking from experience, learning to throw any sharpened weapon that is designed to be thrown, whether it be an axe or knife, poses the same difficulty. No more, no less. The same physics apply. Anyone who says one is harder than the other simply doesnt understand basic principles. I rather have to disagree, throwing spikes are extremely newb friendly, the first one I threw stuck straight at decent distance. But with knives and axes, calculating spin is something you need to learn.
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Post by Avery on Oct 17, 2008 18:30:26 GMT
someone mind linking to them, they won't pop up for me I would if I knew how.
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Post by Avery on Oct 17, 2008 18:33:15 GMT
Wraith, speaking from experience, learning to throw any sharpened weapon that is designed to be thrown, whether it be an axe or knife, poses the same difficulty. No more, no less. The same physics apply. Anyone who says one is harder than the other simply doesnt understand basic principles. I rather have to disagree, throwing spikes are extremely newb friendly, the first one I threw stuck straight at decent distance. But with knives and axes, calculating spin is something you need to learn. I agree its something to learn, but the basic principles of length/rotation are the same. I'll try to explain this better in my next video. Hope you get these linked up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 18:45:11 GMT
Well that's my point dude, with throwing spike there's no rotation, if you throw them at least close to right they go straight and slam into the target.
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Post by Avery on Oct 17, 2008 19:01:25 GMT
I see your point. No pun intended
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 20:13:08 GMT
Has anyone told you that you look a bit like bill engvall? Anyways, I watched em finally and they're very helpful, +1 karma for that. I'd love to see more videos, I'd also like to know what you suggest for a first couple throwing axes, what brand/site etc?
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Post by Avery on Oct 17, 2008 22:10:30 GMT
best advice I can offer is to find a hand forged axe at a trade faire. anything else, just pick one you like. In a future video, I'll tell about different vendors. For now, go for functional axes you like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 18:21:26 GMT
I went ahead and ordered 2 cold steel trail hawks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 23:25:49 GMT
I throw Wal-Mart brand camp hatchets.. $7.99 each at the local Wal-mart. lol They work though and they're cheap so I can afford to have several of them on hand without taking a big bite out of my wallet.
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Post by Avery on Oct 18, 2008 23:54:20 GMT
I throw Wal-Mart brand camp hatchets.. $7.99 each at the local Wal-mart. lol They work though and they're cheap so I can afford to have several of them on hand without taking a big bite out of my wallet. lol, anything with an edge my friends, anything with an edge!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 2:00:52 GMT
I've tried throwing three different types of standard hatchets and I think they're just way too difficult to throw, I can throw knives relatively well and I want to throw Tomahawks but hatchets are a pain in the ass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 2:18:33 GMT
I've tried throwing three different types of standard hatchets and I think they're just way too difficult to throw, I can throw knives relatively well and I want to throw Tomahawks but hatchets are a pain in the ass. Really? Not to sound like I'm touting my own horn but I haven't found hatchets to be so difficult. You just have to figure out the rotation rate of the hatchets. Just so you know each style of throwing weapon will have its own rate of rotation. I'm of the firm belief that if its got a sharp enough point/edge and its got enough mass, one should be able to make it stick so long as one has a good understanding of the item's rotation rate. That being said I've stuck shovels, pry bars, scissors etc. into wood from 6 -12 paces. I've also stuck almost every knife and shuriken I can get my hands on (paring knives, steak knives, hunting knives, bowies etc) as well from that distance. I've even gotten hammer's to stick via their fork... I really prefer throwing axes though. They've got good heft to them and you know that when you throw one its going to do something other than just poke a hole. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again, if I have to throw a weapon in combat it'll be an axe. Unless you're throwing a bowie knife or something similar in size and mass most knives won't do enough damage (impact and cutting) to be effective in combat. Same with shuriken. I've only ever found one other item that would seem as effective as throwing and axe or hatchet in combat and that would be the pry bar. 5+lbs of steel being thrown hard at you will do damage whether it sticks or not. If it does stick its going to rip a hell of a hole. That being said, the pry bar is not ideal for throwing. I still like the axe most. Just keep practicing and learn to judge your distance. The videos Abs have put up are fantastic for learning basics. With practice it you should be able to make most anything with enough mass and sharpness stick... I can do it. It just took nearly 20 yrs of throwing stuff. lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 5:05:17 GMT
Well first I'd like to say that I think throwing knives etc are a horrendously impractical means of combat, it's eons different when throwing at a stationary piece of wood against throwing at a possibly running, moving, weaving target at various ranges.
Secondly, I'm not an expert, I don't even own a single real throwing knife or anything like. I throw engraving needle exacto knives, stake knives and some small kitchen knives, as well as big fat metal pens.
But Hatchets are made for chopping the hell out of things, so there's a big difference between throwing a tomahawk which are rather light with the wooden handle and all the weight is in the head and throwing a hatchet with a metal handle so that the weight or more evenly distributed. Like Ab says in the video, let the head of the axe do the work, that doesn't work as well with hatchets.
I was trying the methods in your videos Absilits using knives and so far they work superbly, I'm eager to get the trailhawks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 5:32:36 GMT
Odd, my hatches feature hollow steel handles with a foam grip at the end. With those I'd say 80 maybe even 90% of the weight is in the head. The only difference really between that and say a tomahawk is the blade design and handle length. That can be worked around. Maybe its just because I got cheap hatchets but I thought that was the basis of all axes and axe like objects - most of the mass in the head so it can chop/cleave etc more efficiently than a sword. Anyway you should enjoy your trailhawks then. Tomahawks are a blast to throw. I just can't afford having a bunch of them laying around so I go cheap and get the hatchets from Wal-Mart.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 5:52:51 GMT
Well I guess we just have different hatchets I've got a red one with a huge ass heavy head and a heavy steel handle, the other two I have, one's a bit larger, they both have thick steel handles as well. It's been difficult trying to get them to do only one revolution before hitting the target, they're so heavy. As for cheap tomahawks, there's these. www.thompsonoutdoors.com/-p-160.html13$ Can't vouch for them though. They also sell the trail hawks for rather cheap, 10$ less than cold steel's site. www.thompsonoutdoors.com/-p-149.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 6:21:05 GMT
Thanks for the links bishop. The $13 ones would be more in my price range as I'd probably get a bunch of them. I'd rather pay $50 and get four of them vs paying $50 and only getting 2 trail hawks. I mean I'm just going to be throwing them so I don't really need the hammer part of the trail hawk. My cheap camp hatchets go with me when I'm out in the woods camping/hunting/hiking etc. I figure that way if I damage or lose the cheap hatchet its just a cheap hatchet.
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Post by Avery on Oct 19, 2008 19:24:59 GMT
I had the trail hawk, its an ok axe, I just didn't really care for it. the other axe looks like an "old reliable" knockoff. looks good, though. If you get either one I'd like to know how you like 'em.
Y'all think a video on the target itself, and how to build one would be worth doing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 19:53:49 GMT
Y'all think a video on the target itself, and how to build one would be worth doing? I think that would be a very worthwhile video for neophyte throwers. It took me years to figure out how to make a stable target stand for throwing weapons into! -Sam
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 20:55:34 GMT
I had the trail hawk, its an ok axe, I just didn't really care for it. the other axe looks like an "old reliable" knockoff. looks good, though. If you get either one I'd like to know how you like 'em. Y'all think a video on the target itself, and how to build one would be worth doing? If it's something you want to do, there's already a video about throwing competitions from expert village and they talk about what targets to use and what not. I'd really like to see more on throwing, holding, sharpening, etc.
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Post by Avery on Oct 19, 2008 21:14:59 GMT
I plan to do the next video on sharpening, then I'll do a video on throwing the axe at seven and ten paces. It'll be a little while before I get to it, I've got so much going on right now. rest assured I'll get it done
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