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Post by Avery on Oct 9, 2008 18:54:46 GMT
Excellent video. I've always wondered how axe throwing worked. Have to say, my favorite part of it all was "I'm going to try to miss on purpose..." *bulls-eye* ;D thanks. And thanks to all who enjoyed it, I guess I'll do a few of these, and in one of the next few I'll show the franciscan bounce ;D
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Oct 10, 2008 1:28:45 GMT
Ave, thanks for the vids man. I used to practise with a non-regulation hatchet when I was younger. Glad to finally get some definite method. Harpersgrace, from this forum, gave me a link to a swedish axe maker, www.gransfors.com/htm_eng/index.html , who sells some beautiful axes, and also has a diagram of throwing method. Oddly enough in the last couple weeks I have been in on a number of discussions, both on this forum and myArmoury, about axes...I have a re-newed interest in them and am cosidering buying a couple more, including a proper throwing axe or two. Being from the West Coast of Canada, I have attended a number of Lumberjack competitions, and have watched axe throwing many a time. Maybe I'll perfect my technique and participate.... Thanks for the vids man, +1 K from me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2008 1:34:13 GMT
"The Franciscan Bounce" lol. Sounds like a sort of odd dance step to me. Anyway I'd love to see that!
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Post by alvin on Oct 10, 2008 1:45:37 GMT
"The Franciscan Bounce" lol. Sounds like a sort of odd dance step to me. Anyway I'd love to see that! Or... maybe the movements of a falling fat Friar. And I'd like to see that too - "The Franciscan Bounce" that is.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Oct 11, 2008 2:00:08 GMT
That was a really great pair of videos absilits! I've never had any interest in throwing axes but your vids were so concise and easy to follow that they have me considering it. Nice work. +1 to you for the good effort.
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Post by Avery on Oct 11, 2008 14:12:16 GMT
Thanks, Bonzai, keep us posted if go through with getting an axe. I always like to hear from follks who start out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 23:35:19 GMT
So, I was wondering if there was a formula or something to use for different handle lengths? Like: so many feet distance from target per inch of handle length? This would be very useful especially for the smaller hatchets and stuff. Or is it more trial and error based on weight and other stuff?
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Post by Avery on Oct 12, 2008 1:13:40 GMT
Theres a simple theory. 3 &7/8s of an inche of handle length = about a pace from the target. I say theory because it will get you close enough to stick the axe, but its not exact. another formula people use is 1 inch of length is = to about 3/4" to1 foot distance from target. I've tested this, some times it works, sometimes not. it works well for knives, but not axes. The weight of the head doesn't affect the paces as much as it affects the fall of the axe. Heavier axes have to be thrown a little harder because it takes more velocity to get them to the target.
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Post by YlliwCir on Oct 12, 2008 5:52:16 GMT
Absilits, great videos and instructions. You are an asset to the forum, brother. +1
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Post by Avery on Oct 13, 2008 2:02:28 GMT
Absilits, great videos and instructions. You are an asset to the forum, brother. +1 I greatlyu appreciate your opinion, Ric, thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 23:59:38 GMT
I have to disagree with this actually. To learn to properly throw an axe takes less training than to learn to properly throw a knife, kunai, kama, what have you. Tactically I agree with you but just because you have managed to spear the occasional piece of wood, can you do it consistently and can you do it with more than one blade at a time.
With the shooting of the arrows I was talking about marksman that the huns (think it was) trained specifically to be the best archers in the world, great feats of shooting ability were required by these men to be marksman.
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Post by Avery on Oct 14, 2008 0:34:35 GMT
Wraith, speaking from experience, learning to throw any sharpened weapon that is designed to be thrown, whether it be an axe or knife, poses the same difficulty. No more, no less. The same physics apply. Anyone who says one is harder than the other simply doesnt understand basic principles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 2:16:03 GMT
Abs: I do understand the basic principles and I am speaking from experience as well however if I expand on the statement, I have been taught a very specific way to throw knives and shuriken and it is much more difficult than the axe because the mechanics of the way you hold the blade and the way your body moves to throw it. Apologies for any confusion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 2:35:51 GMT
Bloodwraith,
I do manage to spear wooden targets on a very consistent basis with knives and shuriken. I'm not sure what technique you were taught for throwing knives and shuriken but what I was taught was basically the same compared to throwing an axe. The basics are still the basics - you have to take into consideration velocity, rotation of the thrown weapon and aim. I will have to say I've never thrown more than one blade per throw (that being throwing multiple knives/shuriken in one movement) and been successful but I can place multiple knives/shuriken in a very tight grouping virtually anywhere on the target I choose at distances out to 12 paces. I can do the same with axes. Any time I've tried to let more than one blade fly at once its ended up in a complete failure.
I've seen on youtube that there are other methods of throwing knives and shuriken but that's eluded me. They place the knife/shuriken lengthwise on the middle finger with the tip of the finger at the weapon's cob. Then the thumb is brought in to hold the weapon in place while for the throw. I've tried that and found it to be most awkward and it failed to produce consistent results. Not saying that its bad, just that its not what I'm used to. Perhaps if you throw that way then yes throwing knives/shuriken is definitely more difficult than an axe.
Anyway your as has been said before, your mileage will vary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 6:20:19 GMT
Katana: I was taught to throw knives in the way you described, not the axe throw grip. Throwing shuriken the way you described is the only way that ninjitsu does it. Having said that I have also learned to throw in the western style as well. I prefer the eastern way of throwing knives because it is smoother and more effortless in my opinion. When throwing a shuriken (knife) from the eastern technique the blade doesn't actually spin or rotate, it slides from the hand and sails straight through the air to slam into the target. The only throwing weapons that spin when thrown this way are multi pointed shuriken and kama.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 6:47:53 GMT
When throwing a shuriken (knife) from the eastern technique the blade doesn't actually spin or rotate, it slides from the hand and sails straight through the air to slam into the target. The only throwing weapons that spin when thrown this way are multi pointed shuriken and kama. Does it really? Despite what people claim I've seen many people, some of whom claim to be "masters" in various types of ninjutsu - Ninpo Taijutsu, Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu etc, throw that way and I've noticed all of their knives and stick shuriken rotating in the air. Now I'm sure you'll state that they're doing it wrong (as in another thread) but then again, they might not be wrong. In any case we're not here to discuss the mechanics of throwing knives and shuriken. This is an axe throwing thread. If you'd like we can debate the issue of knives and shuriken on another thread or pm so as not to hijack Abs' thread on basic axe throwing. -Sam
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2008 3:56:51 GMT
You're lucky that I am choosing to be civilised when you make comments like that. There are many different ways to throw weapons, I was taught one way. If some wants to go and use the technique and do it differently then hey more power to them. If they are claiming that they are throwing the weapon the traditional way then yes I might disagree.
If you have a beef with me over my comments then you can PM me and discuss the problem you have with me, it is not good forum etiquette to attack someone in open forum. That is the last warning I am going to give anyone, I am fed up with having my comments attacked because I go against the grain and I speak to what I know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2008 12:52:56 GMT
If you have a beef with me over my comments then you can PM me and discuss the problem you have with me, it is not good forum etiquette to attack someone in open forum. That is the last warning I am going to give anyone, I am fed up with having my comments attacked because I go against the grain and I speak to what I know. You're right, it isn't good form to attack someone in open forum. For that I do apologize. PM sent!
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Post by Avery on Oct 16, 2008 19:52:08 GMT
yeah, guys, lets all be civil There are more than one way to skin a cat. We all learn to do things in different ways. Although the basic physics are all still the same, we all throw differently. both of you have valid points and I think thats what we should look at. As far as being civil, I'll be honest and say its sometimes hard for me not to come off sounding like a jackass, but for the sake of my loyalty to this forum I bite my tounge. I have been throwing in various competitions for about 13 years now, and even though I've studied many different styles, I haven't seen them all. So when someone tries to give me advice I immediatly get defensive,and thats something I need to work on. we all need to understand that most of the time, people are just trying to help.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 18:05:51 GMT
someone mind linking to them, they won't pop up for me
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