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Post by howler on Apr 6, 2022 22:27:59 GMT
Assuming this would be in countries where firearms cannot be owned for self-defense and polearms or swords would be the best do you think the former would be practical at all? Various YouTubers such as shadiversity and skallagrim or people on several forums have talked about swords plenty of times but what about polearms per say on property or would they be a bad option because of how difficult it might be to justify it in court since you would be mostly expected to have barricaded yourself in a room first? The main ones that come to mind besides pole-hammers would be the bills variants, glaives or just the more mainstream designs for spears. Would they be superior or inferior to longer swords and bastard swords or would both longer swords and polearms alike be bad options in general? The…thrust…of the question seems to be about legal justification in unspecified countries. Laws are different depending on where you are. Best to seek professional guidance and legal advice in your home jurisdiction. That said, I would imagine most jurors seeing a glaive or the like in person for the first time would be terrified and appalled, especially if presented in evidence right after the photos of the gory carnage wrought by it. My non-legal opinion is that almost any other item would be a better choice for home defense. I think this would be an excellent reason to have a small (or not so small) collection of bladed weaponry (including books about historical nuance detailing your "hobby") on display in convenient reach. "Your honor, I heard a noise and grabbed the nearest "object" close to me".
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Post by cerberus1426 on Apr 6, 2022 23:18:32 GMT
The…thrust…of the question seems to be about legal justification in unspecified countries. Laws are different depending on where you are. Best to seek professional guidance and legal advice in your home jurisdiction. That said, I would imagine most jurors seeing a glaive or the like in person for the first time would be terrified and appalled, especially if presented in evidence right after the photos of the gory carnage wrought by it. My non-legal opinion is that almost any other item would be a better choice for home defense. I think this would be an excellent reason to have a small (or not so small) collection of bladed weaponry (including books about historical nuance detailing your "hobby") on display in convenient reach. "Your honor, I heard a noise and grabbed the nearest "object" close to me". I mean people sleep with rifles next to them why not a halberd lol.
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Post by pgandy on Apr 7, 2022 0:32:57 GMT
The…thrust…of the question seems to be about legal justification in unspecified countries. Laws are different depending on where you are. Best to seek professional guidance and legal advice in your home jurisdiction. That said, I would imagine most jurors seeing a glaive or the like in person for the first time would be terrified and appalled, especially if presented in evidence right after the photos of the gory carnage wrought by it. My non-legal opinion is that almost any other item would be a better choice for home defense. I think this would be an excellent reason to have a small (or not so small) collection of bladed weaponry (including books about historical nuance detailing your "hobby") on display in convenient reach. "Your honor, I heard a noise and grabbed the nearest "object" close to me". That is not what Pellius said. Please do not alter someone's post.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Apr 7, 2022 11:00:45 GMT
Assuming this would be in countries where firearms cannot be owned for self-defense and polearms or swords would be the best do you think the former would be practical at all? Various YouTubers such as shadiversity and skallagrim or people on several forums have talked about swords plenty of times but what about polearms per say on property or would they be a bad option because of how difficult it might be to justify it in court since you would be mostly expected to have barricaded yourself in a room first? The main ones that come to mind besides pole-hammers would be the bills variants, glaives or just the more mainstream designs for spears. Would they be superior or inferior to longer swords and bastard swords or would both longer swords and polearms alike be bad options in general? The…thrust…of the question seems to be about legal justification in unspecified countries. Laws are different depending on where you are. Best to seek professional guidance and legal advice in your home jurisdiction. That said, I would imagine most jurors seeing a glaive or the like in person for the first time would be terrified and appalled, especially if presented in evidence right after the photos of the gory carnage wrought by it. My non-legal opinion is that almost any other item would be a better choice for home defense. Absolutely. In all scenarios in which you use a weapon of any kind to defend your home you can rest assured that the police will take you down to the local magistrate for a really long talk and possible charges. Be sure about the choices you make, because the weapon you use (not the action) could be the difference between self-defense and a felony. As a general rule, the law seeks de-escalation and minimum force use only to escape or protect life if NO OTHER OPTIONS exist. It's walking a razor's edge legally.
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Post by howler on Apr 7, 2022 20:05:33 GMT
The…thrust…of the question seems to be about legal justification in unspecified countries. Laws are different depending on where you are. Best to seek professional guidance and legal advice in your home jurisdiction. That said, I would imagine most jurors seeing a glaive or the like in person for the first time would be terrified and appalled, especially if presented in evidence right after the photos of the gory carnage wrought by it. My non-legal opinion is that almost any other item would be a better choice for home defense. Absolutely. In all scenarios in which you use a weapon of any kind to defend your home you can rest assured that the police will take you down to the local magistrate for a really long talk and possible charges. Be sure about the choices you make, because the weapon you use (not the action) could be the difference between self-defense and a felony. As a general rule, the law seeks de-escalation and minimum force use only to escape or protect life if NO OTHER OPTIONS exist. It's walking a razor's edge legally. Legal consequences must be considered, as potential life & death issue as well as injury, loss of freedom, financial ruin, mental anguish. Heavy stuff.
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Post by Lord Newport on Apr 7, 2022 20:14:07 GMT
Absolutely. In all scenarios in which you use a weapon of any kind to defend your home you can rest assured that the police will take you down to the local magistrate for a really long talk and possible charges. Be sure about the choices you make, because the weapon you use (not the action) could be the difference between self-defense and a felony. As a general rule, the law seeks de-escalation and minimum force use only to escape or protect life if NO OTHER OPTIONS exist. It's walking a razor's edge legally. Legal consequences must be considered, as potential life & death issue as well as injury, loss of freedom, financial ruin, mental anguish. Heavy stuff.Always better to "be judged by twelve than carried by six..."
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Post by howler on Apr 7, 2022 20:25:40 GMT
Legal consequences must be considered, as potential life & death issue as well as injury, loss of freedom, financial ruin, mental anguish. Heavy stuff. Always better to "be judged by twelve than carried by six..." Fortunately I can legally choose items from my firearms collection, not just the bladed. Life will always come before legalities and lawyers, but best to try to limit the potential hell on Earth the legal system could levy upon thee. If it comes to it, stop the threat as quick as possible while staying as safe as possible.
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Post by Lord Newport on Apr 7, 2022 20:59:56 GMT
Always better to "be judged by twelve than carried by six..." Fortunately I can legally choose items from my firearms collection, not just the bladed. Life will always come before legalities and lawyers, but best to try to limit the potential hell on Earth the legal system could levy upon thee. If it comes to it, stop the threat as quick as possible while staying as safe as possible. If things get to use of lethal force...make sure YOUR story's the only one anyone hears.
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Post by Elrikk on Apr 7, 2022 22:09:34 GMT
Don’t bring a. Polearm to a gun fight.
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Post by divinewind on Apr 7, 2022 23:37:45 GMT
Fortunately, I live in a part of Australia where someone breaking into my house is likely an opportunistic thief rather than someone intent on doing me real harm. To that end, I keep a Cold Steel Sjambok handy. I bought it years ago when my daughter was a teen. There had been a number of stories in the media about ne'er-do-wells gatecrashing teen parties and wrecking places and starting fights. I figured if that happened I would lay into them with the sjambok. It's non-lethal but will definitely leave a mark. The pommel is hard and can be used for a hammer-like blow, too. Anyway, it was never called into service but remains at hand.
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Post by howler on Apr 8, 2022 0:09:48 GMT
Fortunately I can legally choose items from my firearms collection, not just the bladed. Life will always come before legalities and lawyers, but best to try to limit the potential hell on Earth the legal system could levy upon thee. If it comes to it, stop the threat as quick as possible while staying as safe as possible. If things get to use of lethal force...make sure YOUR story's the only one anyone hears. Oh God yes, CONTROL THE NARRATIVE...or more exactly let your lawyer do so. "Officer, I was in fear of my life, but now I think I need to talk to my lawyer".
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Post by howler on Apr 8, 2022 0:18:04 GMT
Fortunately, I live in a part of Australia where someone breaking into my house is likely an opportunistic thief rather than someone intent on doing me real harm. To that end, I keep a Cold Steel Sjambok handy. I bought it years ago when my daughter was a teen. There had been a number of stories in the media about ne'er-do-wells gatecrashing teen parties and wrecking places and starting fights. I figured if that happened I would lay into them with the sjambok. It's non-lethal but will definitely leave a mark. The pommel is hard and can be used for a hammer-like blow, too. Anyway, it was never called into service but remains at hand. I own a few CS Sjambok of two different lengths. NO WAY would I use them for defense because you run the risk of merely enraging the intruder/intruders. God, at least wield a baseball bat or other blunt force instrument, reason being you have an impact range from a soft tap on a limb to instant incapacitation with full swing to the skull. Man, give yourself options because you just can't know and take that risk. I'll use a firearm, but it don't mean I need to (God forbid) pull the trigger, as that will be up to the intruder.
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Post by howler on Apr 8, 2022 0:29:37 GMT
Don’t bring a. Polearm to a gun fight. Sword vs firearm is bad enough, but a Polearm type weapon is probably the worst thing to use vs a gun because it's harder to use in a close indoor ambush type situation, like just behind a door, where a short blade can swing free.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 8, 2022 5:03:24 GMT
Wasn't it "Don't bring a polar bear to a panda fight" ?
A polearm with a quick removable head would be interesting. If you have the space use it as a polearm, in close quarters just use the head as a short sword/hatchet/hammer and perhaps the pole for defense.
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Post by howler on Apr 8, 2022 5:34:30 GMT
Wasn't it "Don't bring a polar bear to a panda fight" ? A polearm with a quick removable head would be interesting. If you have the space use it as a polearm, in close quarters just use the head as a short sword/hatchet/hammer and perhaps the pole for defense. Actually, that ain't a half bad idea. Take apart for close quarters and put together for open space, but the connection (durability/ease of take down & put together) would be key.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 8, 2022 6:23:04 GMT
I'm thinking of a fixed metal cap on the pole, threaded with just a few turns necessary to detach the pole head. Hell, it could have some kind of lance point too.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Apr 8, 2022 11:23:16 GMT
This is why, every morning, I strap a claymore mine to my chest (if only I could remember which way to face it). I subscribe to the "out crazy" philosophy of home defense. Anyone planning to assault me (my family, or friends) needs to be prepared to see all of my internal organs turn into the proverbial "fine red mist" as they fly away from me in some direction.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Apr 8, 2022 12:44:00 GMT
I just say tactical umbrella!
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Post by pgandy on Apr 8, 2022 13:50:06 GMT
Here's mine. Ooopps, not a pole weapon.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Apr 8, 2022 14:28:35 GMT
This is why, every morning, I strap a claymore mine to my chest (if only I could remember which way to face it). I subscribe to the "out crazy" philosophy of home defense. Anyone planning to assault me (my family, or friends) needs to be prepared to see all of my internal organs turn into the proverbial "fine red mist" as they fly away from me in some direction. I'm glad you shared this. I though I was the only one who did that...
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