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Post by shepherd214 on Feb 19, 2020 5:38:30 GMT
OTOH, I'm finding nothing funny about the attitude some are showing here that a disease is insignificant if it only kills babies and the elderly.
You must not be paying attention. The original comment brought the flu up out of thin air, telling us we shouldnt worry about the corona virus because the flu exists. Which is ridiculous. Most of us will not perish from the flu unless we are already sick or really old. Statistically speaking.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 19, 2020 5:39:41 GMT
I've seen zero evidence that coronavirus is transmissible via inanimate objects so I have zero worries. I'll gladly alter my opinion if anyone's seen evidence to the contrary. I've seen zero evidence that coronavirus is transmissible via inanimate objects so I have zero worries. I'll gladly alter my opinion if anyone's seen evidence to the contrary. This. Scientifically impossible for a virus to "survive" without a host or humid environment. www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surfaceIf the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV (now also called COVID-19 virus) is anything like its family members, a new study suggests it could survive on inanimate objects for well over a week. (CDC) it's "currently unclear if a person can get 2019-nCoV by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes." In fact, not a lot is known about the COVID-19 virus at all, so researchers are turning to similar coronaviruses, like SARS and MERS, for answers. Reviewing the literature on all available human and veterinary viruses within this family, encompassing 22 studies, researchers have found that the human pathogens can persist on surfaces and remain infectious at room temperature for up to nine days. (To put that in perspective, the measles virus can live on contaminated surfaces for up to two hours.) Granted, that's the upper end of a coronavirus lifespan, but on average, researchers say this family of viruses can survive between four and five days on various materials like aluminium, wood, paper, plastic and glass. Some of the veterinary coronaviruses - the ones that can only infect animals - could even persist for longer than 28 days. Low temperature and high air humidity further increase their lifespan," says physician Günter Kampf at the Greifswald University Hospital. To reduce the spread of coronaviruses in general, the authors of the new study suggest hospitals carefully disinfect surfaces with various solutions made from sodium hypochlorite, hydrogen peroxide, or ethanol. In their study, they found these particular WHO recommendations to be "very effective" against SARS and MERS. The results were originally bound for a future textbook, but under the circumstances, the authors felt it was best to publish their findings in advance. They think the results might also extend to the COVID-19 virus. "Different coronaviruses were analysed, and the results were all similar," says virologist Eike Steinmann form Leibniz University Hanover. None of the viruses were 2019-nCoV however, and the team indicated they don't have data on whether hands can become contaminated with coronavirus after patient contact or after touching contaminated surfaces. While MERS doesn't transfer as easily from person to person as other coronaviruses, SARS spreads rather efficiently whenever an infected person sneezes or coughs. If the mucous lands on a surface and is touched by a person later, it can then contaminate them, even if the contact occurs days after the initial exposure. Given how threatening this could make 2019-nCoV, washing our hands often and making sure to disinfect public areas seems like a harmless price to pay. "In hospitals, these can be door handles, for example, but also call buttons, bedside tables, bed frames and other objects in the direct vicinity of patients, which are often made of metal or plastic," explains Kampf. The study was published in the Journal of Hospital Infection.
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Post by bradc on Feb 19, 2020 6:16:17 GMT
I've seen zero evidence that coronavirus is transmissible via inanimate objects so I have zero worries. I'll gladly alter my opinion if anyone's seen evidence to the contrary. This. Scientifically impossible for a virus to "survive" without a host or humid environment. www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surfaceIf the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV (now also called COVID-19 virus) is anything like its family members, a new study suggests it could survive on inanimate objects for well over a week. (CDC) it's "currently unclear if a person can get 2019-nCoV by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes." In fact, not a lot is known about the COVID-19 virus at all, so researchers are turning to similar coronaviruses, like SARS and MERS, for answers. Reviewing the literature on all available human and veterinary viruses within this family, encompassing 22 studies, researchers have found that the human pathogens can persist on surfaces and remain infectious at room temperature for up to nine days. (To put that in perspective, the measles virus can live on contaminated surfaces for up to two hours.) Granted, that's the upper end of a coronavirus lifespan, but on average, researchers say this family of viruses can survive between four and five days on various materials like aluminium, wood, paper, plastic and glass. Some of the veterinary coronaviruses - the ones that can only infect animals - could even persist for longer than 28 days. Low temperature and high air humidity further increase their lifespan," says physician Günter Kampf at the Greifswald University Hospital. To reduce the spread of coronaviruses in general, the authors of the new study suggest hospitals carefully disinfect surfaces with various solutions made from sodium hypochlorite, hydrogen peroxide, or ethanol. In their study, they found these particular WHO recommendations to be "very effective" against SARS and MERS. The results were originally bound for a future textbook, but under the circumstances, the authors felt it was best to publish their findings in advance. They think the results might also extend to the COVID-19 virus. "Different coronaviruses were analysed, and the results were all similar," says virologist Eike Steinmann form Leibniz University Hanover. None of the viruses were 2019-nCoV however, and the team indicated they don't have data on whether hands can become contaminated with coronavirus after patient contact or after touching contaminated surfaces. While MERS doesn't transfer as easily from person to person as other coronaviruses, SARS spreads rather efficiently whenever an infected person sneezes or coughs. If the mucous lands on a surface and is touched by a person later, it can then contaminate them, even if the contact occurs days after the initial exposure. Given how threatening this could make 2019-nCoV, washing our hands often and making sure to disinfect public areas seems like a harmless price to pay. "In hospitals, these can be door handles, for example, but also call buttons, bedside tables, bed frames and other objects in the direct vicinity of patients, which are often made of metal or plastic," explains Kampf. The study was published in the Journal of Hospital Infection. -Lord Newport this reply is to multiple people yours is just the most convenient one to reply to - Fomites are typically most relevant within a hospital setting or if you are in close contact with an infected person. Wash your hands, don't overnight ship a sword from Wuhan and then lick it all over and you should be fine. Actually washing your hands regularly and not licking random objects is your best defense against most transmissible diseases. And just to be super pedantic the disease is COVID-19, but the virus has a different name. And yes that is confusing, I work in a health care setting and I just realized that recently.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Feb 19, 2020 6:21:21 GMT
I guess my lame attempt at humor missed its mark entirely. Here's my point... the thread asks a question, "Do you worry enough about Chronavirus to postpone sword orders?" It is a question that requires little to no argument. Do you or don't you? If so, why? If not, why not? There is certainly no reason to turn, yet another thread, into an exercise of hurt feelings and angst. Just cast your vote (or not), answer the question (or not) and move on to a less stressful thread.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 19, 2020 6:30:26 GMT
-Lord Newport this reply is to multiple people yours is just the most convenient one to reply to - Fomites are typically most relevant within a hospital setting or if you are in close contact with an infected person. Wash your hands, don't overnight ship a sword from Wuhan and then lick it all over and you should be fine. Actually washing your hands regularly and not licking random objects is your best defense against most transmissible diseases. And just to be super pedantic the disease is COVID-19, but the virus has a different name. And yes that is confusing, I work in a health care setting and I just realized that recently. Who do you think we are?
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Post by treeslicer on Feb 19, 2020 6:41:37 GMT
...................don't overnight ship a sword from Wuhan and then lick it all over and you should be fine. Actually washing your hands regularly and not licking random objects is your best defense................. Wow, when did they open forges in Wuhan? What brand? Are they cheap?
I've somehow missed the whole licking swords thing. Don't you guys worry about rust prevention?
Some objects are more random than others.
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Post by bradc on Feb 19, 2020 6:43:02 GMT
I guess my lame attempt at humor missed its mark entirely. Here's my point... the thread asks a question, "Do you worry enough about Chronavirus to postpone sword orders?" It is a question that requires little to no argument. Do you or don't you? If so, why? If not, why not? There is certainly no reason to turn, yet another thread, into an exercise of hurt feelings and angst. Just cast your vote (or not), answer the question (or not) and move on to a less stressful thread. I just saw the spelling Chronavirus and realized we should have been talking about infections from hockey goaltender prospects the whole time. Yes I am not worried about Magnus Chrona giving me an infection from a Chinese sword because he is in the States. (the hold my beer equivalent of a lame joke, at least my 2 year old thinks I'm funny)
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Post by treeslicer on Feb 19, 2020 6:48:09 GMT
I guess my lame attempt at humor missed its mark entirely. Here's my point... the thread asks a question, "Do you worry enough about Chronavirus to postpone sword orders?" It is a question that requires little to no argument. Do you or don't you? If so, why? If not, why not? There is certainly no reason to turn, yet another thread, into an exercise of hurt feelings and angst. Just cast your vote (or not), answer the question (or not) and move on to a less stressful thread. I just saw the spelling Chronavirus and realized we should have been talking about infections from hockey goaltender prospects the whole time. Yes I am not worried about Magnus Chrona giving me an infection from a Chinese sword because he is in the States. (the hold my beer equivalent of a lame joke, at least my 2 year old thinks I'm funny) Most of us are probably inured to bogus spelling on the Internet by now, and just sort of look past it.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Feb 19, 2020 6:51:14 GMT
I have to admit, I didn't see it until you pointed it out. Good catch.
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Post by bradc on Feb 19, 2020 6:57:53 GMT
sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/59882/therapy-sword I rest my case Wow, when did they open forges in Wuhan? What brand? Are they cheap?
I've somehow missed the whole licking swords thing. Don't you guys worry about rust prevention?
Some objects are more random than others. The Sword of Goujian lives in Wuhan. I don't think it's in our price range unfortunately. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_of_GoujianSorry running way way off topic now. Back to the topic my main concern with ordering from China now would be delays in shipping.
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Post by Roscoe57 on Feb 19, 2020 12:40:17 GMT
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 19, 2020 12:54:18 GMT
But yeah, no I’m not afraid. The virus isn’t that big of a deal. It’s just Winnie the Pooh is stupid and instead of dealing with it he went after anyone talking about it or trying to stop it, allowing it to spread. Even then it’s something to be aware of but not an apocalyptic plague.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 19, 2020 15:50:06 GMT
But yeah, no I’m not afraid. The virus isn’t that big of a deal. It’s just Winnie the Pooh is stupid and instead of dealing with it he went after anyone talking about it or trying to stop it, allowing it to spread. Even then it’s something to be aware of but not an apocalyptic plague. The problem is both the people and their government. Whinnie the Pooh did what any totalitarian communist regime has done and will do every time. Given the sanitation and barbaric, cruel eating habits of some Chinese, this WILL happen again, and again, and again...until the virus that destroys the human race makes the jump from a tortured to death live animal eaten for food to human beings...And then nothing will matter... civilization as we know it will end.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 20, 2020 7:05:00 GMT
I'm not an expert or up to date on the details but it seems like the flu generally only kills old people, infants or people in poor shape. The corona is killing those people but also healthy, younger people. That's why its scary and such a big deal. A fit 25 year old can ride out the flu with high success chance. The corona virus, not so much. This... the Dr who first identified the virus died from it and he was in his early 30's Gonna be honest, I was paranoid I would catch it down in SoCal lol.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 20, 2020 7:11:10 GMT
It looks like the Covid-19 can "survive" on surfaces for some time so I'll wash my hands carefully after unpacking.
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Post by Dandelion on Feb 27, 2020 7:16:06 GMT
Anyway, we can buy lots of chinese stuff now... the virus is here, several cases around 80 km from here. Repent!
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Post by howler on Feb 27, 2020 7:31:21 GMT
Not worried about catching virus from buying swords. Am worried about potential recession/world economic slowdown caused which will negatively affect sword (and other) purchases.
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Post by Dandelion on Feb 27, 2020 11:01:35 GMT
Not worried about catching virus from buying swords. Am worried about potential recession/world economic slowdown caused which will negatively affect sword (and other) purchases. the whole affair is highly exaggerated, IMHO... winter season 2017/2018 we had around proven 25.000 casualties due to the simple "flu" in Germany alone; a year earlier we had 23.000 dead. So... what the media do here is highly dangerous, at least what lot of them are doing and HOW they do it. This is not Ebola.
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Post by leviathansteak on Feb 27, 2020 11:07:05 GMT
Not worried about catching virus from buying swords. Am worried about potential recession/world economic slowdown caused which will negatively affect sword (and other) purchases. the whole affair is highly exaggerated, IMHO... winter season 2017/2018 we had around proven 25.000 casualties due to the simple "flu" in Germany alone; a year earlier we had 23.000 dead. So... what the media do here is highly dangerous, at least what lot of them are doing and HOW they do it. This is not Ebola. Agreed. The media is far more damaging than the disease itself. 1.25 million people die in traffic fatalities each year. If the same number was from a disease, you'd think the world was ending.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Feb 27, 2020 14:30:52 GMT
the whole affair is highly exaggerated, IMHO... winter season 2017/2018 we had around proven 25.000 casualties due to the simple "flu" in Germany alone; a year earlier we had 23.000 dead. So... what the media do here is highly dangerous, at least what lot of them are doing and HOW they do it. This is not Ebola. Agreed. The media is far more damaging than the disease itself. 1.25 million people die in traffic fatalities each year. If the same number was from a disease, you'd think the world was ending. Remember the H1N1 panic a few years back. Media, yeah...
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