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Post by Zen_Hydra on Mar 9, 2020 14:51:55 GMT
From 1100 positive tested, 0,09 % The question is how long we can keep it away from hospitals (ill people) or old-age homes. Realistically? Not long enough to develop and administer a vaccine to the most vulnerable populations (the elderly, those with chronic pulmonary conditions, and those with weakened immune systems). I think we have pretty well demonstrated that as an international community, we are terrible at containing readily communicable diseases. This should be a wake-up call to our leaders about how vulnerable we are to this kind of thing, and that we should cooperate to develop an internationally accepted plan of action for the inevitable future pandemic that will put the 1918 Influenza one to shame. However, I'm too cynical to really believe that humans are going to start being more forward thinking than we have been for the last 200,000+ years.
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Post by pgandy on Mar 9, 2020 15:04:58 GMT
I received this this morning via email and thought it maybe of some interest. I'll post again in the Forum Cafe section.
From the best medical personnel in the U.S., the advise is that your chances of having Coronavirus is slim if you develop/continue healthy habits and understand the virus. And realize in comparison: "So far, 14,000 people have died, and 250,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC" (02/14/2020)... So it is equally important to get your flu shot!
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold.
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 seconds before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you
come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent will kill
it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids
with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for
5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in
warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasize enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea
and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days
further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like
you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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Post by Dandelion on Mar 9, 2020 15:05:52 GMT
From 1100 positive tested, 0,09 % The question is how long we can keep it away from hospitals (ill people) or old-age homes. One installation of our "Ortenau-Klinikum" in a smaller city called Kehl, about 25 km from our city, right on the border to France near Strasbourg, has been closed down. Patients cannot be visited anymore. Its really funny, because this installation also has the main surgical stations and emergency rooms here in our "county"... In the supermarkets there is (almost) no more toilet paper, absolutely no hand disinfect gels or "doctors soap" left (which all are far too weak to crack the virus' protein shell), no kind of face/breathing masks at all (which most of them cannot block the virus because of ots size of 80 to 160 nm), the people are buying flour and noodles by the dozens. Burt there is still the soccer "Bundesliga", with stadiums filled with ten thousands of people; bread, vegetables and fruit are presented open and are touched and grabbed with bare hands. They all have gone mad. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Mar 9, 2020 15:18:45 GMT
It amazes me that humans are apex predators, when behaviorally we tend to act like such easily spooked prey.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Mar 9, 2020 15:58:02 GMT
Bird eats worm, man eats bird, worm eats man, that's the circle of life.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Mar 9, 2020 16:12:30 GMT
That's not quite the same thing as blindly stampeding like a herd of gnu, which is what we are essentially doing right now.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Mar 9, 2020 16:20:12 GMT
I see a big hygenic problem if the toilet paper runs out before the food runs out!
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Post by Dandelion on Mar 9, 2020 16:22:34 GMT
That's not quite the same thing as blindly stampeding like a herd of gnu, which is what we are essentially doing right now. THIS! I dont know how its going in the US exactly, but almost lost hope for german people now... in terms of mental sanity!
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Mar 9, 2020 16:46:48 GMT
That's not quite the same thing as blindly stampeding like a herd of gnu, which is what we are essentially doing right now. THIS! I dont know how its going in the US exactly, but almost lost hope for german people now... in terms of mental sanity! It's getting pretty out of hand here in the States too. The international media needs to be held accountable for the damage it's doing. The "If it bleeds, it leads" sensationalist mentality which drives popular journalism is going to get people hurt and killed (and that's assuming such can't be directly attributed the media's actions already). News agencies should be actively working to inform the public with only the facts, and making every effort to maintain the peace, and helping to communicate the areas (especially in underdeveloped nations) which need international aid and attention. What is happening now is inexcusable. We have known for over one hundred years how dangerous a global pandemic can be, and instead of taking responsible steps to mitigate the damage which would be done from subsequent pandemic events, we as a global community have squandered that opportunity in favor of myopic foolishness. Corvid-19 looks like it isn't nearly as dangerous as it easily could be, and perhaps this will be the "near-miss" we need to wake us up to what we should have been doing all along.
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Post by pgandy on Mar 9, 2020 17:39:52 GMT
I have to agree about the media. About every year there is a new strain of virus and I believe the media picks up on this in order to increase sales. After 80 years of hearing about the same lines it gets to be old hat. We had our first case last week over on the west coast. If 14,000 died of the 250,000 hospitalized that’s a 5.6% mortality rate and should be lower now since the virus has been recognized. I’ve played the percentages most of my life and will take those odds.
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Post by treeslicer on Mar 9, 2020 18:14:36 GMT
I have to agree about the media. About every year there is a new strain of virus and I believe the media picks up on this in order to increase sales. After 80 years of hearing about the same lines it gets to be old hat. We had our first case last week over on the west coast. If 14,000 died of the 250,000 hospitalized that’s a 5.6% mortality rate and should be lower now since the virus has been recognized. I’ve played the percentages most of my life and will take those odds. I would not be surprised if the public panic being stoked by the media is being paid for by very wealthy people whose interest is in causing stock and commodity market chaos that they can exploit. The weakness of the "free press" is that it isn't any more "free" than anything else we consume. Somebody pays for every single word and image. None of the news outlets is free of corporate and political tampering from the top down. They aren't a disinterested nonprofit sector, and never have been. I'm also not aware of any news source, public, private, left-wing, right-wing, or center-of-the-bird, that doesn't have some agenda to promote.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Mar 9, 2020 21:12:50 GMT
I have to agree about the media. About every year there is a new strain of virus and I believe the media picks up on this in order to increase sales. After 80 years of hearing about the same lines it gets to be old hat. We had our first case last week over on the west coast. If 14,000 died of the 250,000 hospitalized that’s a 5.6% mortality rate and should be lower now since the virus has been recognized. I’ve played the percentages most of my life and will take those odds. It is a bit over twice the flu mortality rate so far, considering the public data.
Here some groceries have started to put limited stores on display to avoid stampedes, saying at the same times stock are aplenty, there's no need to panic.
Media.
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Post by MOK on Mar 9, 2020 21:55:49 GMT
What on Earth do people think they need all that toilet paper for? *sigh* Rationality really can't be signal boosted enough right now, so... - Don't touch your face in public places. Don't touch other people's faces, either! - Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap whenever you get the chance. If you don't have the chance, alcohol based hand sanitizer is almost as good. - If you feel sick, contact a doctor, then stay home as much as you can.
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Post by Robert in California on Mar 10, 2020 18:53:23 GMT
One can never have enough toilet paper (or swords). RinC
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