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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Feb 17, 2020 0:27:06 GMT
Not giving it any thought one way or the other but then I don't order anything direct from China anyways. Needless to say we all buy Chinese good unless you're still living in a cave. Try to buy a computer or any electronics these days that isn't made in China. You stand a better chance of getting hit by a meteorite than getting a virus from a Chinese made product.
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Post by shepherd214 on Feb 17, 2020 3:41:34 GMT
I'm not an expert or up to date on the details but it seems like the flu generally only kills old people, infants or people in poor shape. The corona is killing those people but also healthy, younger people. That's why its scary and such a big deal. A fit 25 year old can ride out the flu with high success chance. The corona virus, not so much. As with most diseases, the very young and elderly tend to have higher casualty rates, but healthy people die from influenza too. That's why I said "generally" and "high success chance". Its not common for younger, fit people to die of the flu, but i know it can happen every once in awhile.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 17, 2020 3:58:55 GMT
As with most diseases, the very young and elderly tend to have higher casualty rates, but healthy people die from influenza too. That's why I said "generally" and "high success chance". Its not common for younger, fit people to die of the flu, but i know it can happen every once in awhile. www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.htmlThere is nothing other than luck and flu vaccines which are preventing this from happening again. Influenza can, and has, been particularly fatal for 20-40 year olds. There is a much higher likelihood of an influenza strain to pose a significant risk to healthy populations than a coronavirus. We can't be certain about how this current coronavirus will play out, but SARS and MERS seem to be more of an individual risk than this new strain from Wuhan is shaping up to be (though it has a higher transmission rate).
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Post by shepherd214 on Feb 17, 2020 18:52:36 GMT
That's why I said "generally" and "high success chance". Its not common for younger, fit people to die of the flu, but i know it can happen every once in awhile. www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.htmlThere is nothing other than luck and flu vaccines which are preventing this from happening again. Influenza can, and has, been particularly fatal for 20-40 year olds. There is a much higher likelihood of an influenza strain to pose a significant risk to healthy populations than a coronavirus. We can't be certain about how this current coronavirus will play out, but SARS and MERS seem to be more of an individual risk than this new strain from Wuhan is shaping up to be (though it has a higher transmission rate). Dud you just link an article about flu deaths in 1918? Assuming a fit 20 year old in the year 2020 is supplementing correctly with the correct medicines like fever reducers and such, the chances of them dying from the flu are very slim.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Feb 17, 2020 18:56:00 GMT
www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.htmlThere is nothing other than luck and flu vaccines which are preventing this from happening again. Influenza can, and has, been particularly fatal for 20-40 year olds. There is a much higher likelihood of an influenza strain to pose a significant risk to healthy populations than a coronavirus. We can't be certain about how this current coronavirus will play out, but SARS and MERS seem to be more of an individual risk than this new strain from Wuhan is shaping up to be (though it has a higher transmission rate). Dud you just link an article about flu deaths in 1918? Assuming a fit 20 year old in the year 2020 is supplementing correctly with the correct medicines like fever reducers and such, the chances of them dying from the flu are very slim. <sigh>...nope...I just can't even...
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Post by shepherd214 on Feb 17, 2020 20:59:48 GMT
Dud you just link an article about flu deaths in 1918? Assuming a fit 20 year old in the year 2020 is supplementing correctly with the correct medicines like fever reducers and such, the chances of them dying from the flu are very slim. <sigh>...nope...I just can't even... And I quote: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that people ages 65 and older account for between 71% and 85% of flu-related deaths and 54% to 70% of flu-related hospitalizations in the U.S."
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Post by bradc on Feb 18, 2020 8:53:42 GMT
<sigh>...nope...I just can't even... And I quote: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that people ages 65 and older account for between 71% and 85% of flu-related deaths and 54% to 70% of flu-related hospitalizations in the U.S." When comparing statistics on the flu it is important to remember that there isn't just one flu virus. The subtype of influenza is very important when comparing stats. For example ~80% of deaths from the 2009 H1N1 pandemic were under 65. 1918 was also an H1N1 virus (although a nastier one) which is why zen hydras link is relevant today. It is not safe to assume a flu is only going to harm the old.
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Post by alexkjren on Feb 18, 2020 17:23:53 GMT
I've seen zero evidence that coronavirus is transmissible via inanimate objects so I have zero worries.
I'll gladly alter my opinion if anyone's seen evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Robert in California on Feb 18, 2020 18:26:27 GMT
I sneezed/coughed. But covered my mouth with my hand. And turned the door knob to open the door. (so...don't order any used door knobs from China. =-)
But seriously, if the c-virus is not a big deal, then why is China treating it as a big deal? A lot of smoke. Is there a fire somewhere?
RinC
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Post by shepherd214 on Feb 18, 2020 18:43:05 GMT
And I quote: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that people ages 65 and older account for between 71% and 85% of flu-related deaths and 54% to 70% of flu-related hospitalizations in the U.S." When comparing statistics on the flu it is important to remember that there isn't just one flu virus. The subtype of influenza is very important when comparing stats. For example ~80% of deaths from the 2009 H1N1 pandemic were under 65. 1918 was also an H1N1 virus (although a nastier one) which is why zen hydras link is relevant today. It is not safe to assume a flu is only going to harm the old. But generally, there isnt an H1N1 pandemic going on. That's a rare exception. If we are talking about more typical flu strands, which is what is being passed around 99% of the time, my statistic hold up. People panicked about the H1N1 virus in 2009 pretty proportionately. His original argument was, why are we more worried about Corona when the flu kills more people? Well, it only kills old people and already sick people, and maybe once every 100 years it kills everyone.
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Post by Dandelion on Feb 18, 2020 23:32:29 GMT
I've seen zero evidence that coronavirus is transmissible via inanimate objects so I have zero worries. I'll gladly alter my opinion if anyone's seen evidence to the contrary. This. Scientifically impossible for a virus to "survive" without a host or humid environment.
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Post by Dandelion on Feb 18, 2020 23:38:18 GMT
I sneezed/coughed. But covered my mouth with my hand. And turned the door knob to open the door. (so...don't order any used door knobs from China. =-) But seriously, if the c-virus is not a big deal, then why is China treating it as a big deal? A lot of smoke. Is there a fire somewhere? RinC Well, feel free to panic, then... though quite unnecessary. Millions of tons of good every day from China to the rest of the world: toys, phones, food, clothes... Anyway, who cares about a virus when the climate catastrophe will have killed most of mankind within the next 20 to 30 years? THIS is reason to panic...
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 19, 2020 1:05:24 GMT
So I’ll say it clearly: some strains of the flu are very dangerous to peak physical condition people because the immune system overreacts and end up killing its own body accidentally. Also, it’s complete and utter BS that vaccines have mercury. What they used to have was trace amounts of a mercury compound but haven’t in most countries for decades. The complete and utter disdain I feel for anti-vaxxers cannot be expressed in the English language. But to the point, no I’m not concerned. I’m getting over a chest cold now that may have come from a giant concert. It’s even entirely possible it was Wuhan Coronavirus, considering severity seems to vary wildly, which is perfectly normal. The last research is read was it was unclear if orb could be spread by fomites, and that the upper limit of its “lifespan” is 9 days on a surface.
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Post by Robert in California on Feb 19, 2020 2:44:17 GMT
"Anyway, who cares about a virus when the climate catastrophe will have killed most of mankind within the next 20 to 30 years?"
Bad news: most of mankind will be killed off in the next 20 to 30 years. Good news: affordable housing to be available in the next 20 to 30 years.
(every rain storm has its silver cloud :-))
More seriously, most climate scientists were worried about the coming global cooling, when I was young. Later, most climate scientists were worried about the coming global warming. Now, most climate scientists don't know if it's going to warm or cool so but happily we can cover both bets by calling it "climate change". Actually both are true, I personally have observed global warming during the day and global cooling at night. No idea the cause though.
(ah, I'm not being a tinsy bit off topic here, am I? (No?)
I will note that China seems scared...Jkoo reports being told to stay shut longer...
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Post by nerdthenord on Feb 19, 2020 3:17:12 GMT
"Anyway, who cares about a virus when the climate catastrophe will have killed most of mankind within the next 20 to 30 years?" Bad news: most of mankind will be killed off in the next 20 to 30 years. Good news: affordable housing to be available in the next 20 to 30 years. (every rain storm has its silver cloud :-)) More seriously, most climate scientists were worried about the coming global cooling, when I was young. Later, most climate scientists were worried about the coming global warming. Now, most climate scientists don't know if it's going to warm or cool so but happily we can cover both bets by calling it "climate change". Actually both are true, I personally have observed global warming during the day and global cooling at night. No idea the cause though. (ah, I'm not being a tinsy bit off topic here, am I? (No?) I will note that China seems scared...Jkoo reports being told to stay shut longer... It's called climate change because that's exactly what it is. More energy in the atmosphere, so more extreme weather. You have an overall higher temperature but also extreme blizzards in cold areas because of more atmospheric energy.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Feb 19, 2020 3:49:16 GMT
It's those damn Frost Giants. Have no fear, Thor will protect us. It's all fun and games until... Ragnarok.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 19, 2020 3:52:52 GMT
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Post by treeslicer on Feb 19, 2020 4:45:05 GMT
OTOH, I'm finding nothing funny about the attitude some are showing here that a disease is insignificant if it only kills babies and the elderly.
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Post by Lord Newport on Feb 19, 2020 5:03:18 GMT
OTOH, I'm finding nothing funny about the attitude some are showing here that a disease is insignificant if it only kills babies and the elderly.
Thanks for getting triggered and sharing....
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Post by howler on Feb 19, 2020 5:32:02 GMT
OTOH, I'm finding nothing funny about the attitude some are showing here that a disease is insignificant if it only kills babies and the elderly.
That isn't what anybody meant or insinuated, as the idea was to parse potential lethality because the flu virus generally tends to affect the young, old & and infirm at a disproportionate rate.
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