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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 18:36:28 GMT
Cold Steel, Windlass, CAS/Iberia are all producers even if they have more than one supplier. KOA is a vendor and produces nothing but retail sales, company staff, etc.
Whether liked or hated after purchase, the sword owners and all readers can see which producers have been the most popular decision in buying a sword.
Other semi production (including other production not listed above, ie Cold Steel) is an aggregate, as is the custom election and show swords bought that were not produced by the seven named producers. I could have not listed those options and that top part of the poll would seem much the same. I basically broke up an "other" category, "other" as three subcategories. Interestingly to me though is that the "other" production/semi-production category does not have the most votes. The custom category can be debated as well but I would put Gus Trim or Lockwood, for instance, as semi production. Those are not custom orders. A gray line would be someone like Vince Evans, Jake Powning, etc. that don't list as taking orders but do produce. A complete list of the three "other" possibilities would be impossible to post. My feeling is that those three categories cover the field pretty well and do show a trend in and of themselves.
It is still early and as mentioned, the poll can be updated for decades. This isn't about the best sword, or how many swords someone owns but rather an aggregate of first impressions as it were. It is also not labeled to individual good or bad results.
Keep in mind, I posted it in the medieval section, so if including a vote for your katana or rapiers (or others), it might skew it a little bit but shows overall which producers have set more hooks. The same poll posted in the cafe might shows very different results but on a "global" scale, I would have started with a geographical theme of the producers.
Again it is early but we can see the three "other" collective categories combined more than equal Windlass and CAS/Iberia. If trying to prove anything, that might have been my point. If the curve were entirely flat, it would show all buyers have shopped around more than the seven primary producers listed at the top. The leaders in the poll show the most commonly pursued. If I were a vendor, I might stock accordingly.
One can read their own interpretation of the poll results but I hope I have explained how I listed that order of categories, while expecting the current leaders to be the peak (but still waiting on the "other" semi production/production to have the most votes over time).
Carry on
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 25, 2018 18:48:45 GMT
What's the story of the (until now) 2 "not other Other"-Others? A lady in the lake? Found in a burial cave?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 19:33:12 GMT
What's the story of the (until now) 2 "not other Other"-Others? A lady in the lake? Found in a burial cave? I should have written "vote for" rather than "specify" The poll is also entitled (in part) Which Company, so fig newtons of your mind might be applicable if wanting to include your purchase from the Lady in the Lake (see Oscar Kolombatovich). Nor did I include an antique category but antique medieval swords could be put in the last category. If I were to include my early modern antiques, I would check that last mark but again, this is posted in the medieval section.
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Post by nddave on Sept 25, 2018 20:43:30 GMT
Rather than do a other option why not just do another poll with those manufactures included? Have this poll with 10 manufactures and then a second with another 10 or less.
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Post by Terricus on Sept 26, 2018 1:11:14 GMT
Where would Legacy Arms fall, Other Production or CAS/Hanwei since CAS/Hanwei owns LA?
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Post by bebut on Sept 26, 2018 1:47:10 GMT
Oops. Didn't notice the "medieval" limit, so I unvoted these items.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 1:51:11 GMT
Where would Legacy Arms fall, Other Production or CAS/Hanwei since CAS/Hanwei owns LA? CAS/Hanwei (all associated lines)
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Post by Terricus on Sept 26, 2018 1:54:03 GMT
Where would Legacy Arms fall, Other Production or CAS/Hanwei since CAS/Hanwei owns LA? CAS/Hanwei (all associated lines) That's what I thought but just wanted to make sure. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 1:54:58 GMT
and Kizlyar military antiques on ebay (one German-made, the other French) A vendor apparently, not a producer but I somewhat addressed this a few posts back Nor did I include an antique category but antique medieval swords could be put in the last category. If I were to include my early modern antiques, I would check that last mark but again, this is posted in the medieval section.
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Post by Svadilfari on Sept 26, 2018 2:02:02 GMT
Added my meagre offerings to the list..as I understand the original question..it's not WHERE you brought the sword from..but who MADE it ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 2:07:36 GMT
Added my meagre offerings to the list..as I understand the original question..it's not WHERE you brought the sword from..but who MADE it ? Bingo
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 26, 2018 3:01:17 GMT
I bought my Gen2/LAs before they became part of CAS Iberia. (but this makes no difference in the poll for me, none was an Excalibur)
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Post by kalkikrosah on Sept 26, 2018 6:20:14 GMT
I don't own a sword yet. Valiant Armory will be who I go with for my first sword when I do decide to buy one.
I do own a couple khukuris and a ginunting though. Khukuris are from Himalayan Imports and Tora Blades and the Ginunting is from Kalahai.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 6:21:15 GMT
I bought my Gen2/LAs before they became part of CAS Iberia. (but this makes no difference in the poll for me, none was an Excalibur) Anyone else remember the days when Clyde Hollis called the business Imperial? Generation 2 was just the katana and metal bound sword stick, then those Last Legend? Clyde sold Del Tins as well. I was reminiscing with a Last Legend blade a few weeks ago. Re-fitted through Lohman with good stuff. All of the old trademark swords can go in an other category The old CAS and Valiant running neck and neck with the same models. Some of the Kolombatovich swords are marked with the sword and arm rising from the water.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 6:35:00 GMT
It is remarkable that roughly 80% of the voters have checked Windlass and/or CAS/Hanwei and that the other production and semi-production category has not surpassed those two. Cold Steel and Depeeka just two one might expect to swell the other production category, as well as all the ATrim out there. Lutel, Armour Class a couple of more. I know this is more than a USA forum. Still a decent roll cal number as well for 24hrs or so. I see you lurkers out there we sure don't see 48 readers responding openly in most threads.
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Post by leviathansteak on Sept 26, 2018 7:00:36 GMT
Oh i forgot i used to have a couple of cold steel swords. Ill put an entry into others then. Why arent cold steel and deepeeka among the options?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 7:31:09 GMT
Oh i forgot i used to have a couple of cold steel swords. Ill put an entry into others then. Why arent cold steel and deepeeka among the options? When I wrote the poll, I did consider what would have been quite a list of possibilities. Similarly with custom and one off from makers. If anything, those three categories listed at the bottom should show how diverse those sources are. In fact, if I had simply listed one Other category which included all but those top seven, the Other category would be in the "lead" (which those combined do show that). No doubt, even if I listed as many as possible, someone would feel they were left out. Offering the three at the bottom should cover it all. This isn't exactly difficult to understand with the categories I listed as options. Some may disagree with my reasoning but a majority of voters don't seem to be having difficulties. Also as described, there is no reason one choosing the last non-descript category can't explain their choice. I will mention again that this was posted in the medieval section purposefully, so one might consider that the poll is meant to reflect buys of medieval type swords. IMO, each subsection could use one. Don't let me take that upon myself. Think about how one will list those though. This one in particular was meant in a very broad consideration of not questioning the value or quality. It is meant to target only numbers in a demographic manner.
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Post by patrick kelly on Sept 26, 2018 11:31:00 GMT
I voted but the list wasn't big enough. After forty years, there are too many makers to count that have gone to dust.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 15:13:01 GMT
So true Patrick. Time marches on. My mind was joggled to yesteryear the other day in seeing a Kirby Wise dagger on ebay. Then your reply had me thinking of Eirk Stevenson, who seems to have been lost in the shuffle but appears quite well on fb. The list would grow and grow. Massey is around the net on various boards. I'm even now forgetting a smith that did a blade I have, ah yes, Chris Makin. He has been around Don Fogg's board with others. I've even seen Eyal Azerad over there. Scott Rousch had me worried but he is just taking a break for now. I've gotten bit by the old timers years myself and now a fourth generation old fart at the family events.
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Post by patrick kelly on Sept 26, 2018 19:14:44 GMT
So true Patrick. Time marches on. My mind was joggled to yesteryear the other day in seeing a Kirby Wise dagger on ebay. Then your reply had me thinking of Eirk Stevenson, who seems to have been lost in the shuffle but appears quite well on fb. The list would grow and grow. Massey is around the net on various boards. I'm even now forgetting a smith that did a blade I have, ah yes, Chris Makin. He has been around Don Fogg's board with others. I've even seen Eyal Azerad over there. Scott Rousch had me worried but he is just taking a break for now. I've gotten bit by the old timers years myself and now a fourth generation old fart at the family events. Time is a cruel mistress, as they say. I'm less than two months from retiring from law enforcement and I'm in the third generation category at family functions. Most of the people I work with are as young, or younger than my own children. I remember when Jim Hrisoulas was "the man" and Del Tins were considered top shelf production. I haven't thought of Kirby in years. I used to run into him all the time during the 80s while living in SoCal. Today, we're really suffering from an embarrassment of riches in this hobby. Now, the only limit is ones bank account.
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