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Post by admin on May 31, 2017 5:56:44 GMT
Old timers may recall we ran something quite similar to this nearly 10 years ago on an earlier incarnation of the SBG Sword Forum with Generation 2 and later (when Gen2 were unable to deliver the goods in a timely manner), Darksword Armory which resulted in the Flame of the Angels and the more historical Torino Sword.. But the time has come to give it another go - and the basic concept is simple: Simply submit a design of an original fantasy sword and we will have it made by our new friends at Blade Culture International in the Philippines and send you the prototype, shipped free anywhere in the world!The idea to create a SBG line of Fantasy Swords has been on the backburner for years - but was stymied by the minimum order quantities and tooling required by the Chinese Forges we usually collaborate with. However on my recent trip to BCI in the Philippines we discussed the possibility of creating a line of fully functional fantasy swords as it was clear to me that these guys can do pretty much anything without the need to bet the farm on 100 swords that may or may not ever end up recovering the investment needed.. Below are some pics of their Filipino lines and medieval swords to give you some idea of the small details and general workmanship these guys are capable of.. To get the ball rolling, SBG Senior Editor Dan Dacombe has created two designs for production - a Paladins Holy Sword and its antithesis, a Death Knight sword with a Flamberge blade taking advantage of BCIs skill at producing Kris style blades of the highest quality.. Along with the basic sketches, there is also a brief fantasy back story of the swords, who wields them, and of course, specs and notes to get it made. To enter, simply submit your designs to this thread and I will go over all the designs on the 20th of June and pick out a couple of preliminary round winners. But even if you miss out on the first round, you may STILL win as the final number of swords that will be made in this series have not been decided and will depend in part on the response, how many good designs we get, and general feedback we get here. Really looking forward to see what you guys come up with! P.S. You can also submit the designs to my email address at: paul AT sword-buyers-guide.com and I will submit them on your behalf, either anonymously or using your non-de-plume of choice. CONDITIONS- All designs submitted must be original fantasy sword designs not based on any existing works of fiction or swords currently in production.
- No limit of entries per person - submit as many designs as you like!
- By submitting a design to this competition, the design will become the intellectual property of Sword Buyers Guide Limited with the only caveat that if the sword does go into production, the prototype will be sent to you anywhere in the world at no cost.
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Post by leviathansteak on May 31, 2017 6:25:31 GMT
How many entries/designs are allowed per person?
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Post by Vincent Dolan on May 31, 2017 8:35:14 GMT
How many entries/designs are allowed per person? Wondering that, myself. Also, what constitutes a "fantasy" design? Can it be a realistic, even historically plausible, design with a backstory attached to it or does it have to have shades of Kit Rae, i.e., useless spikes, points, cut-outs, and whatnot? Lastly, are there any limitations on the actual sword itself? As in, can it have a complex hilt or are we limited to relatively simple crossguards?
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Post by admin on May 31, 2017 10:09:19 GMT
To answer your questions:
1) There is no entry limit - you can enter as many designs as you like. If we happen to choose more than one of your designs, each one we make will be sent to you.
2) It doesn't need to be a Kit Rae styled fantasy design, historically plausible is fine, but it should have some kind of fantasy elements to it. Understated fantasy is fine, as is over the top. Daniels sample designs are fairly representative of what we are aiming for - but less or more fantasy elements is good. Any type of crossguard, etc is okay - the guys at BCI can make pretty much anything. No limits except those imposed on us by our worlds physics.. ;-)
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Post by Vincent Dolan on May 31, 2017 10:19:06 GMT
Sweet. I already have a design that meets the "understated" aspect, one that's a fair bit more fantasy, and there's a more fantastical design I've been itching to hammer out, so this'll be the perfect opportunity.
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Post by leviathansteak on May 31, 2017 14:38:32 GMT
Well i'll start then. This is a sword design that I envision to be a light and fast one-handed cut and thrust sword that would be at home in the hands of an individual trained in the use of the saber, sidesword and even rapier. It has a single edged blade with a straight spine to aid in thrusting, and gentle increase in width at the COP for decisive cuts. A fuller helps to lighten the blade and ends just before the COP to prevent unnecessary friction in the cut. The forward swept quillons and knucklebow provide good hand protection, and encourage the use of point forward guard positions often seen in saber fencing. The grip is canted for a natural thrusting grip, and features a finger choil for the index finger, the feel of which should be reminiscent of "fingering the guard" for rapierists. It also aids in retention of the weapon during cutting motions. The sword ends off in a pommel shaped as a flattened sphere, decorated with writhen twists. Im thinking of a 35 inch blade length on this one
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Post by leviathansteak on May 31, 2017 14:56:44 GMT
This is just a gigantic two handed chopper, heavily inspired by the maciejowski bible cleavers, and the dacian falx. The blade is solely meant for cutting, with a downturned beak for piercing hard targets. A fuller helps to relieve some of the weight. Some speed holes added at the tip for looks. The spiked guard is meant to mirror the beaked blade, and is useful for ventilating an opponent's face at close quarters. The hilt is envisioned as plain wood with a simple metal ferrule in the centre. The "pommel" is a simple butt cap and is kept small to ensure the POB is far out from the guard, enhancing the cutting potential of the sword Im thinking of an enormous 41 inch blade with 55 inch total length
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Post by Vincent Dolan on May 31, 2017 14:58:10 GMT
My first few entries: The first is a simple design that, in most fantasy tales, would probably be referred to as a broadsword. Because of its stoutness and relative simplicity, it's the type of sword I could see a city guardsmen being issued as part of his standard equipment. With the broad, flat face of the pommel, it could easily be stamped with a particular magistrate's or baron's insignia, indicating that particular guardsman's jurisdiction. The measurements, as taken from the original post in my design thread: Overall Length: 37" Blade Length: 30" Blade Width: 2 1/2" @ base; 1 5/8" @ profile taper (7 5/8" from tip); 1/2" @ 1" from tip Grip Length: 4 1/16" Guard Width: 5 3/4" Pommel Dimensions: 2 1/2"L x 2 1/4"W The second is a bit more fantastic, a claymore hilted backsword with a curved blade. A cleaving, slashing weapon, it's best suited for use against lightly armored targets; this is a sellsword's weapon, plain and simple. Its blackened furniture and brass ring all speak to something meant to be used hard with minimal maintenance, only fitting for a man who would depend on his sword above all else. The measurements, again, taken from my design thread: Overall Length: 51 3/4" Blade Length: 39" (10 1/4" false edge) Blade Width: 2 3/8" @ base; 1 7/8" @ profile taper (4 1/2" from tip); 3/4" @ 1" from tip Grip Length: 8 3/8" Guard Width: 11" Pommel Dimensions: 2 1/8"L x 1 3/4"W Lastly, we have the blade used by the vicious necromancer... Will. He has a twisted sense of humor and so calls his blade Will'o'Wisp, because its serpentine shape calls to mind the spectral fire that leads unwary travelers to their doom and what better way for a necromancer to build his army of undead? Its worn bronze fittings exude an age completely at odds with its seemingly untouched grip with its half-wire wrap. Overall Length: 46" Blade Length: 36" Blade Width: 2 3/8" @ base; 3/4" @ profile taper (4 7/16" from tip); 1/4" from tip Grip Length: 7 1/2" Guard Width: 8" Pommel Dimensions: 2 1/8"L x 2"W
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Post by shogan42 on May 31, 2017 17:53:27 GMT
So, I'd love to see some functional fantasy blades available...here's my entry, done up in the style of "guy stuck at the office" using MS Paint. I shall call her Accountant's Spite. I'm imagining a leaf bladed bastard sword; the blade as 33" or so, fairly broad, 2.5" at the widest, and curving down to 1.5" at the slimmest, diamond or hollow ground profile. I've added some curves to the blade and guard for visual interest. Cross guard is about 8" wide, and curved towards the blade, with small wings on the reverse side. Grip would be 8" with an oval cross-section, and a steel ring in the center. The pommel is a faceted scent-stopper, similar to the Albion Earl or Dane.
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Post by Aikidoka on May 31, 2017 18:59:44 GMT
I would very much like to see a good two-handed viking sword. It is a fantasy sword because, as far as we know, two-handed viking swords didn't exist. This design has proven to be very popular, as can be seen by the number of beautiful examples of this sword type created by custom sword makers. Please forgive the crude drawing (I'm no artist), but this Microsoft Paint drawing captures the elements that I would like to see in this fantasy viking sword:
I took a photo of a normal viking sword blade and stretched it to the proportions of a two-handed sword. The blade length could be around 36 - 38 inches. I would personally like to see the grip length be around 9 inches. I have seen other designs for this type of sword where the grip was 10 or even 12 inches, which is a bit too long in my opinion. So, with a 36 to 38 inch blade, I would think the overall length of the sword would be somewhere between 48 to 50 inches. Perhaps we could call it a viking greatsword. I left the guard and pommel unadorned, which would look good in my opinion, or it could be further improved by adding engraving similar to period viking swords such as this dragon design from a sword found in Suontaka, Finland: The backstory for this fantasy viking sword could center around Surtr, a fire giant from Norse mythology who leads his kin into battle against the Aesir and Vanir gods during Ragnarok, the cyclical destruction of the cosmos. His particular destiny is to kill the god Freyr and to be slain by him in turn. He arrives from Muspelheim, the extreme southern region of heat and fire, bearing his weapon of choice of a burning sword, with which the world is razed before it sinks into the sea. Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry for Surtr: "Surtr is mentioned twice in the poem Völuspá, where a völva divulges information to the god Odin. The völva says that, during Ragnarök, Surtr will come from the south with flames, carrying a very bright sword:
Old Norse:
Sutr ferr sunnan
með sviga lævi:
skinn af sverði
sól valtiva.
English:
Surtr moves from the south
with the scathe of branches:
there shines from his sword
the sun of Gods of the Slain.
Following this, the völva says that "stone peaks clash", "troll wives take to the road", "warriors tread the path from Hel", and the heavens "break apart". The next stanza relates that Odin is to be killed by the wolf Fenrir, and that Surtr will go to battle against "Beli's bane", a kenning for the god Freyr, who slew the giant Beli. No further detail is given about the fight between Surtr and Freyr in the poem. In the stanzas that follow, a number of gods and their opponents are described as doing battle at Ragnarök, and that the world will be consumed in flames, yet afterward a new world rises from the sea, fertile and teeming with life, and the surviving gods will meet again."
This huge viking sword could be a representation of the flaming sword of Surtr. The guard and pommel could be engraved with a dragon design as shown in the photo above, possibly also incorporating flames, as this is a typical representation of Ragnarok. So here is this sword again with a more red grip color and a metal spacer. ( I think it would look good with or without the metal spacer). We could call it the "Sword of Surtr". Or perhaps the "Flame of Surtr". From the proportions shown in these drawings, the base of the blade would be 2.75 inches wide (only a quarter of an inch less than the Albion Alexandria and Principe blades). With a wide fuller extending nearly the length of the blade, this type X blade would be very impressive! And here is the "Flame of Surtr" with a bronze hilt that is engraved with the design from the original period viking sword:
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Post by wolfskull23 on May 31, 2017 19:03:56 GMT
What program is typically used? I normally hand draw and don't use the computer to draw very often.
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Post by Ifrit on May 31, 2017 20:02:23 GMT
43" over all with a 36 1/2" blade and a 4" handle, approx. The exact measurements aren't too big a concern with me, but this sword is meant to function like a cut and thrust side sword. I call it the sword of providence, based off the pyramid eye thing in the USA currency. But name it what you like Also the knuckle bow doesn't need to be connected to the pommel if that's hard to do. Story: The sword of providence is said to be the sword of an Angel, who used it to defeat a mighty dragon. Legends say, when held by one with a pure heart, it would burst into divine flames. Many believe the Eye motif symbolizes the forces of light forever watching these lands against the dark forces.
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Post by Ifrit on May 31, 2017 20:16:10 GMT
 Truth be told I don't got any specific measurements planned for these that are realistic, so size is up to interpretation
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Post by Jordan Williams on May 31, 2017 21:12:44 GMT
We have so many fantasy medieval swords, and most ancient sword replicas are so far removed they might as well be fantasy.
Why not a fantasy sabre or yataghan? I'll try to draw a design when I'm home.
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Post by shogan42 on May 31, 2017 21:12:53 GMT
OK, I was fooling around a bit more in Paint, and have a couple more. "Spite" re-visioned as a one-handed arming sword, with a 28" blade. And a fullered fantasy greatsword. I'm thinking as blade length around 40", with two sections of ricasso, on either side of the hooks.
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Post by Ifrit on May 31, 2017 21:33:05 GMT
This one is a cross between an arming sword and a jian, with the blade being 30" and the overall length being 36". A broad blade is specialized for cutting, and the majority of the weight in the hilt, so it is easy to handle. As you can see by the side picture, while the guard looks giant and bulky, it is quite thin to reduce weight, along with the fuller in the blade. I call this the Cloud Cutter It was meant to be longer, but I ran out of paper space Story: A sword carved from the bones of the last windfish was passed down generation to generation. Light, flexible and easy to wield, it seemed to glide in the wind when it was swung. A strong enough warrior could create a big gust of wind with this sword, and if thrown, it always sailed true to its targets, like an arrow.
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Post by shogan42 on May 31, 2017 21:49:57 GMT
OK, one more. This is fun! The Gut-hook cutlass. I don't know much about how sabers and cutlasses should handle, but hopefully this works OK. lol. The guard-cup has a rakish cant to it, that somewhat mirrors the blade. The blade features a trailing point and a gut hook. Stab 'em and pull out their entrails! Yarg! The short edge of the trailing point, and the gut hook, should both be sharpened. I may revise revised the pommel & guard a bit ...currently just a small sphere to cap off the hilt.
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Post by vermithrax on May 31, 2017 22:49:59 GMT
I have no skill or ability to take part but I love this thread and it should be great! Mad thanks to SBG for doing this.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 1, 2017 0:55:36 GMT
Designed with an overall length of 45", with a 33" blade, it should handle much like a Gross Messer. Only the spine to the handle isn't your typical straight messer, as I included sori to the over all design to aid in slashing, and it's guard should add more protection than the average messer guard. That should be it for me While it isn't easy to see in this picture, there is a clam shell like guard, on the other side of the handle, that functions like a grosse messer nail. I call it the Leibwächter Grosse Messer Story: In a land in the middle of civil war and constant riots, only the Lords bodyguards could keep him safe. Armed with their trusty grosse messer and wearing only chainmail, they were sufficient to protect the lord they swore an oath to. Their skills were unmatched anywhere else in the kingdom
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jun 1, 2017 2:07:57 GMT
Here's a Yataghan bladed sabre with a mashup of different 19th century sabre hilt parts. A blade of 32 inches long and 1.1 inches wide. Wooden ribbed grip. Brass guard and pommel cap.
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