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Post by seriouslee on May 17, 2017 13:10:21 GMT
I'll just run around naked and scare everyone, that way I won't need a sword or gun. Ha! Good one.
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Post by bluetrain on May 17, 2017 13:52:47 GMT
No, that won't work. A naked man will get a faster response from the police than a man with a gun. A naked woman even faster.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 17, 2017 15:01:52 GMT
Civilisation breakdown means no police, at least at the most places. So we all can run around naked besides a fancy hat and a kukri!
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Post by bluetrain on May 17, 2017 17:04:18 GMT
That's the flaw in your thinking. There will always be someone in authority. Some group of people who realize the group is more powerful than the individual. And every group will have a chief. Even now, no matter where you live, you aren't out of reach of the long arm of the law.
But perhaps you are thinking of a lawless society. Even then, everyone has their own idea of what the law should be and they act on it, if possible. Even now that's true. Some people think laws don't apply to them. And apparently, in some cases, it seems to be true.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 17, 2017 17:30:55 GMT
I assume a clan society would be built rather than a modern society with laws, policemen etc. So if you run around naked with a fancy hat and a kukri better choose a clan which considers this as decent behaviour! (fallen-clan?)
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 17, 2017 20:10:21 GMT
I assume a clan society would be built rather than a modern society with laws, policemen etc. So if you run around naked with a fancy hat and a kukri better choose a clan which considers this as decent behaviour! (fallen-clan?) Why would you assume that? People cleave to what they know. What they know is safe and comfortable. It stands to reason that most communities would try to retain as much normalcy as they can, and for most of the developed world that isn't clans, warlords, or neo-feudalism.
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Post by bluetrain on May 17, 2017 20:40:11 GMT
Fair enough but there are places where what we think of as normal civilization is in bad shape and all those forms of social control, to put it that way, do exist. And for all I know, they never went away. In previous era when men still carried swords (and shields and spears, etc.), people were not constantly fighting. Some traveled around, trading or raiding, as circumstances warranted. We mustn't think that the way we live is the way we've always lived or the only way to live. It certainly isn't the way everyone lives now and it may not even be the best way.
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Post by Ifrit on May 17, 2017 22:29:19 GMT
That's the flaw in your thinking. There will always be someone in authority. Some group of people who realize the group is more powerful than the individual. And every group will have a chief. Even now, no matter where you live, you aren't out of reach of the long arm of the law. But perhaps you are thinking of a lawless society. Even then, everyone has their own idea of what the law should be and they act on it, if possible. Even now that's true. Some people think laws don't apply to them. And apparently, in some cases, it seems to be true. And there will a stronger than ever group rivalry too. Look at more war stricken countries for example. A friendly neighbourhood patrol won't have much against a cartel.
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Post by Ifrit on May 17, 2017 22:31:21 GMT
If people still cling to law, one would think cartels and pirates wouldn't be as powerful as they are. But I supposed even they have their own idea of law
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Post by pgandy on May 18, 2017 1:16:14 GMT
So we all can run around naked besides a fancy hat and a kukri! Don’t forget the paint. Blue for some reason seemed preferred, but any colour(s) will do.
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Post by vermithrax on May 18, 2017 1:33:54 GMT
Soda cans in a pillow case. Don't make it complicated.
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Post by bluetrain on May 18, 2017 11:33:52 GMT
Civilization is breaking down but canned soda will still be available.
It won't be every man for himself. And nobody will be bugging out, unless the breakdown of civilization involves flooding, which happens frequently anyway, if not regularly.
I understand the point about cartels and pirates. Supposedly the cartels are very powerful in parts of Mexico, so much so that local citizens are afraid to hold public office. They are financed entirely by their American customers.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 18, 2017 11:57:48 GMT
So we all can run around naked besides a fancy hat and a kukri! Don’t forget the paint. Blue for some reason seemed preferred, but any colour(s) will do. For a Bavarian only blue and white diamond pattern and a big beer mug instead of a kukri. ... just a moment, ... thats not civilisation breakdown, that's civilisation, welcome to the Oktoberfest !!!
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Post by bluetrain on May 18, 2017 14:35:46 GMT
I lived in Germany for nearly two years (and so did my daughter 35 years later). I thought Fasching was more fun.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 18, 2017 15:22:55 GMT
I will go with yellow and red, with a very large bowie knife.
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Post by howler on May 18, 2017 21:08:26 GMT
I will go with yellow and red, with a very large bowie knife. A large bowie...HARD to beat, as it seems to cover all the bases. So, you'll be dressed all in yellow, yet covered in the blood of your enemies?
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Post by howler on May 18, 2017 21:10:56 GMT
Don’t forget the paint. Blue for some reason seemed preferred, but any colour(s) will do. For a Bavarian only blue and white diamond pattern and a big beer mug instead of a kukri. ... just a moment, ... thats not civilisation breakdown, that's civilisation, welcome to the Oktoberfest !!! A large metal beer stein can make a heck of a shield and bludgeoning weapon. Your well armed...BURP.
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Post by Ifrit on May 18, 2017 21:44:25 GMT
Might as well join. I'll be red and white, armed with a kukri and a case of Budweiser.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on May 19, 2017 4:11:31 GMT
"Barvarian Battleaxe" Let me get this straight, this picture shows a typical bavarian warrior before (!) the civilisation breakdown. Please don't be afraid of the evil merciless grin! But back to topic: In my scenario with bad luck you might encounter an attacker with a machete, an axe, kukri or a big knife. (With really bad luck you'll encounter two or more, then you're probably dead). No armor, perhaps thick clothing. What weapon would you choose? The same weapon(s) like the attacker or do you think a certain sword could give you an advantage?
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Post by Zen_Hydra on May 20, 2017 0:50:25 GMT
I'm most comfortable with a sabre, or cut-and-thrust blade. Familiarity, is a pretty valuable attribute. I am pretty enamored of my pseudo-neo-goedendag. It's a Purple Heart 8' ultimate round staff with a flanged mace and spike bayonet on the primary end and a nobby mace head on the other end. It's over 9' total length. It works as a spear with a lot of mass driving it forward. It works as a pole-arm, and I can easily reposition my hands to strike with both ends. Also, it resolves my biggest issue with pole-arms, and that is edge alignment. My next project is a Dane/poll axe with a butt-spike.
If I have to fight multiple armed opponent's, I want something with a lot of reach which can hopefully be reasonably effective at close range and on both ends.
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