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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 26, 2016 21:49:49 GMT
Historically and functionally speaking of course. Obviously it can handle the functional aspects, but I've heard it's a little too heavy to be considered historically accurate. The question I have is: is there anything better for under $300?
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 26, 2016 22:28:45 GMT
Actually, I've managed to do a bit of research on my own, and I have come to the conclusion that yes, the CS smallsword seems to be the best in the sub $400-$300 market.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 26, 2016 22:34:37 GMT
www.ltspecpro.com/Product/88SMS2/SMALL_SWORD_SECOND.aspxThis looks like a great deal, but I'm a little worried by the "CONTINUED MAINTENANCE REQUIRED" part of the description. Anyone know what that means, or have one of these? I don't mind a little pitting from rust, but I wouldn't want something that's been badly marred.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 27, 2016 2:55:30 GMT
And I did a little more research and figured it out for myself (just had to look in the other threads).
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Post by 28shadow on Jul 27, 2016 13:38:50 GMT
And I did a little more research and figured it out for myself (just had to look in the other threads). And what did you find out?
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 27, 2016 19:38:51 GMT
howeler post this in this thread here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/48390/cold-steel-cavalier-rapier-2016?page=2 "Lynn Thomson Special Projects, which is a part of Cold Steel (prices are much lower than the main site, particularly clearance, close outs, and factory seconds). I purchased a regular one from an internet sight for $190 something or other (a good deal), then saw Special Projects (and purchased two more at $100 each...(if only I saw it sooner) with just a bit of greenish rust on non critical areas that was easily whipped off). They are not in the factory seconds area, but the operator I talked to from Special Projects said they would be a class A (the least defective level), with B and C being progressively worse. I think these have been offered for quite some time, and I cannot believe they are not all snatched up yet, and believe that because they aren't on the technical "seconds" area, people don't see (as I didn't for some time)." Just had to read all the posts in the thread, instead of just skimming through them. Also, I called CS customer service and asked them about it, and he said these probably fell under the "D2" (I think that means category B) section. He said he believed they had some rust which had been removed, but might return - hence the "continued maintenance" part.
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Post by 28shadow on Jul 27, 2016 19:54:47 GMT
howeler post this in this thread here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/48390/cold-steel-cavalier-rapier-2016?page=2 "Lynn Thomson Special Projects, which is a part of Cold Steel (prices are much lower than the main site, particularly clearance, close outs, and factory seconds). I purchased a regular one from an internet sight for $190 something or other (a good deal), then saw Special Projects (and purchased two more at $100 each...(if only I saw it sooner) with just a bit of greenish rust on non critical areas that was easily whipped off). They are not in the factory seconds area, but the operator I talked to from Special Projects said they would be a class A (the least defective level), with B and C being progressively worse. I think these have been offered for quite some time, and I cannot believe they are not all snatched up yet, and believe that because they aren't on the technical "seconds" area, people don't see (as I didn't for some time)." Just had to read all the posts in the thread, instead of just skimming through them. Also, I called CS customer service and asked them about it, and he said these probably fell under the "D2" (I think that means category B) section. He said he believed they had some rust which had been removed, but might return - hence the "continued maintenance" part. I went ahead and placed an order for one this morning. Here's to great deals! *raises tankard*
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Post by Afoo on Jul 27, 2016 23:55:47 GMT
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Post by MOK on Jul 28, 2016 0:22:48 GMT
The Cold Steel "smallsword" is more like a weird kind of anachronistic transitional rapier sort of thingy, clearly designed by someone who didn't actually know what smallswords are like or how they were used. It's well enough made for what it is, but it doesn't really look or handle like historical smallswords.
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Post by howler on Jul 28, 2016 1:32:04 GMT
Historically and functionally speaking of course. Obviously it can handle the functional aspects, but I've heard it's a little too heavy to be considered historically accurate. The question I have is: is there anything better for under $300? Heavy, yes, but still within historical bounds (24oz. or 1 1/2lbs.). Some of them are around 22.5oz. while other are 24oz. WeAllJuggleKnives loves his, another brand, and that thing weighs 1lb 10oz...and he paid $310 or so. I should also say that the slightly heavier one also has a POB of roughly an 1" farther out and you can "Feel" it being less lively. Still, you should have no problem with quick movement for a short period of time, and this thing is probably better, defensively, against "other" heavier weapons that would/could be used against you (heavy enough to block a baseball bat at the hilt area and beyond).
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Post by howler on Jul 28, 2016 1:39:09 GMT
howeler post this in this thread here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/48390/cold-steel-cavalier-rapier-2016?page=2 "Lynn Thomson Special Projects, which is a part of Cold Steel (prices are much lower than the main site, particularly clearance, close outs, and factory seconds). I purchased a regular one from an internet sight for $190 something or other (a good deal), then saw Special Projects (and purchased two more at $100 each...(if only I saw it sooner) with just a bit of greenish rust on non critical areas that was easily whipped off). They are not in the factory seconds area, but the operator I talked to from Special Projects said they would be a class A (the least defective level), with B and C being progressively worse. I think these have been offered for quite some time, and I cannot believe they are not all snatched up yet, and believe that because they aren't on the technical "seconds" area, people don't see (as I didn't for some time)." Just had to read all the posts in the thread, instead of just skimming through them. Also, I called CS customer service and asked them about it, and he said these probably fell under the "D2" (I think that means category B) section. He said he believed they had some rust which had been removed, but might return - hence the "continued maintenance" part. I went ahead and placed an order for one this morning. Here's to great deals! *raises tankard* Let me/us know how she is...as I would HATE to have steered you wrong, as the two specimens I received looked great, but I should say that I am BY NO MEANS an expert, nor have I taken an electron microscope to them. But, MY GOD, at $100, it would be great just as a practice sword, in fact, the main tech worker there stated that people who practiced with these things said they were godsends.
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Post by bbycrts on Jul 28, 2016 1:44:46 GMT
I threw my money at them - hard - when I saw the link. For that price I'm happy for the warts it may have!
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Post by howler on Jul 28, 2016 1:52:09 GMT
The Cold Steel "smallsword" is more like a weird kind of anachronistic transitional rapier sort of thingy, clearly designed by someone who didn't actually know what smallswords are like or how they were used. It's well enough made for what it is, but it doesn't really look or handle like historical smallswords. It is a "heavy" small sword (at 22oz) but still within historical limits. Sure, if I were a MASTER at small swordsmanship, I would want one 4-6oz. lighter if I was going up against another small sword master. However, defensively, factoring in what you would face today (baseball bat, tire iron, machete, etc...) this would be a better option, particularly for non masters (I CERTAINLY fall into that category), as the speed at the tip is simply BLINDING. Also, remember that A LOT of those "historical" swords were in fact primarily made for fashion, where you wanted something as small as possible because you knew you would never use it. Flimsy, broken tipped "Court" swords were all over the place, unlike earlier periods, were the small sword might actually encounter "other" heavier weapons, which is why those were bigger.
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Post by howler on Jul 28, 2016 2:00:06 GMT
howeler post this in this thread here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/48390/cold-steel-cavalier-rapier-2016?page=2 "Lynn Thomson Special Projects, which is a part of Cold Steel (prices are much lower than the main site, particularly clearance, close outs, and factory seconds). I purchased a regular one from an internet sight for $190 something or other (a good deal), then saw Special Projects (and purchased two more at $100 each...(if only I saw it sooner) with just a bit of greenish rust on non critical areas that was easily whipped off). They are not in the factory seconds area, but the operator I talked to from Special Projects said they would be a class A (the least defective level), with B and C being progressively worse. I think these have been offered for quite some time, and I cannot believe they are not all snatched up yet, and believe that because they aren't on the technical "seconds" area, people don't see (as I didn't for some time)." Just had to read all the posts in the thread, instead of just skimming through them. Also, I called CS customer service and asked them about it, and he said these probably fell under the "D2" (I think that means category B) section. He said he believed they had some rust which had been removed, but might return - hence the "continued maintenance" part. I went ahead and placed an order for one this morning. Here's to great deals! *raises tankard* I was told class A, as these things are not even in the "seconds" section, but who knows. Mine appear to be near flawless. If you order one, I hope it is perfect, as I don't want to be the guy who steered people onto the "reefs of Lemon", so to speak.
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Post by howler on Jul 28, 2016 2:03:20 GMT
I threw my money at them - hard - when I saw the link. For that price I'm happy for the warts it may have! One of mine had a bit of greenish rust beginning on the base of the SCABBARD...rub, rub, and the green was gone. For a hundred smackers...are you kidding me?!?
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Post by 28shadow on Jul 28, 2016 2:50:20 GMT
I went ahead and placed an order for one this morning. Here's to great deals! *raises tankard* Let me/us know how she is...as I would HATE to have steered you wrong, as the two specimens I received looked great, but I should say that I am BY NO MEANS an expert, nor have I taken an electron microscope to them. But, MY GOD, at $100, it would be great just as a practice sword, in fact, the main tech worker there stated that people who practiced with these things said they were godsends. Even if it is a little rusty I don't think I would care, this thing is a steal at $100! Now I guess I need to add Special Projects' second's to my daily/weekly deal hunting ! I've been looking for a replacement for my rapier for backyard cutti-I mean stabbing , so I'm going to cross my fingers and hope for the best!
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 28, 2016 3:28:38 GMT
They do look nice - but they seem to be just smallsword parts, not entire smallswords. Maybe I missed something on the site.... 28shadow - Cool! I still think it's the best smallsword in the sub $300 range, and for $100 bucks? Yes please. I'm itching to get one. I think I'll wait until you get yours, so you can give me an idea of what I'll get.
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Post by 28shadow on Jul 28, 2016 3:38:09 GMT
They do look nice - but they seem to be just smallsword parts, not entire smallswords. Maybe I missed something on the site.... 28shadow - Cool! I still think it's the best smallsword in the sub $300 range, and for $100 bucks? Yes please. I'm itching to get one. I think I'll wait until you get yours, so you can give me an idea of what I'll get. I'll make sure to post an update in here when I get it in. I'm very curious to see how the cross section holds up to various jugs and bottles in my backyard, and against tatami. If it's anything like my Munich it'll pretty much be a lightsaber when it comes to the thrusting.
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Post by howler on Jul 28, 2016 4:27:36 GMT
They do look nice - but they seem to be just smallsword parts, not entire smallswords. Maybe I missed something on the site.... 28shadow - Cool! I still think it's the best smallsword in the sub $300 range, and for $100 bucks? Yes please. I'm itching to get one. I think I'll wait until you get yours, so you can give me an idea of what I'll get. I believe that was jacobsarmoury parts, not a complete CS small sword, if I'm reading that correctly. If this is talk of jacobsarmoury parts, they do seem interesting.
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Post by howler on Jul 28, 2016 4:42:58 GMT
They do look nice - but they seem to be just smallsword parts, not entire smallswords. Maybe I missed something on the site.... 28shadow - Cool! I still think it's the best smallsword in the sub $300 range, and for $100 bucks? Yes please. I'm itching to get one. I think I'll wait until you get yours, so you can give me an idea of what I'll get. I'll make sure to post an update in here when I get it in. I'm very curious to see how the cross section holds up to various jugs and bottles in my backyard, and against tatami. If it's anything like my Munich it'll pretty much be a lightsaber when it comes to the thrusting. This (in my opinion) is one of those times where the "beefy" reputation of CS helps the product. The suckers are pretty darn rigid, yet narrow, because of the partially raised spine in the center (you may actually be able to sharpen the two edges). Watch on YouTube a CS video of them stabbing pig carcasses with this thing (or the Ribbed Shell Swept Hilt Rapier, for that matter), it looks like an effortless laser beam shoots through them...NO PROBLEM against a two legged swine wearing heavy clothing who has broken into your dwelling. Firearms first, of course, but if you happen to quickly grab a 17/18th century "sidearm" off the display case (reason for legal purposes...as impaling a BG with a sword may look odd to a potential jury), there are worse things to defend ones self with.
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