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Post by aussie-rabbit on Jul 15, 2015 8:58:27 GMT
Looks like Ryan Sword is back in the poo box, after all those fan based reviews the truth rears it's head again, Ryan Sword, "not much chop"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:40:42 GMT
I dont think i do fan-based reviews...but point given, i dont think this kind of advertising should be tolerated at all.
Nevertheless they do produce some quite good swords...i will send the big "Ranger"-thing or my Atlantean to any expert european forumite who wants to check them out...
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Post by william m on Jul 15, 2015 14:22:33 GMT
Not much here about advertising, I would personally classify this as Fraud.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 17:26:11 GMT
yeah, right...but most of the chinese sellers do this type of "fraud"...so why pick out Ryan Swords again?
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Post by ChrisA on Jul 15, 2015 17:40:45 GMT
yeah, right...but most of the chinese sellers do this type of "fraud"...so why pick out Ryan Swords again? I would say he is picking out Ryan Swords because that is who he, personally, had an issue with...and not the others... |
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Post by Cottontail Customs on Jul 15, 2015 18:12:28 GMT
It seems only those who fanatically defend ryansword always seem to think he is picking them out. It is no different than those who are accused of picking out Hanwei or any other company that sells a large volume of swords. The more purchased, the more reviews and the higher the chance you'll have issues at some point, makes sense to me. I seriously doubt he's spending his own money hoping to get something other than what he paid for or expected, and I'm not talking about something minor like a paint chip or wrong color ito. Plus, he has stated many times that he doesn't think all ryansword katana are bad and that many other ebay sellers pull the same stuff regarding false claims of laminated construction.
From the correspondence he provided, it seems to me he tried very hard not to get duped this time.
The fact that he goes to the trouble to try and give his fellow buyers and collectors a heads up on his experiences is what belonging to a sword community is all about. I appreciate it, as do many others here.
-Josh
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 15, 2015 18:36:27 GMT
Thanks for the fact finding Digs.
Sorry for your disappointment.
I only read the text and looked at the pics.
Have not yet watched your videos.
Did you return the sword in like-new condition?
Or have to do destructive testing?
If so, it was very nice of the seller to refund...many will not if the return has been damaged.
Yes, Longquan sword sellers will buy blades...then do the fittings customization per buyer requests.
Buying from various sources.
Said sources are not always honest with even other Chinese businessmen.
Which was what got Katana1980 screwed over....he got a batch of "sanmai" katana blades at a good deal...about a 30% discount from the usual price.
Turned out many of them were folded blades (not sanmai) as your purchase found out.
BTW, he mentioned that sales are really slow.
Which is in line with what the latest SBG newsletter said.
RinC
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 15, 2015 18:41:41 GMT
p.s. There is nothing wrong with a good, correctly heat treated, folded blade....as long as it is advertised and priced as such.
Katana2011 sell such. They also sell Kobuse blades but those run about $350+ last I looked.
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 15, 2015 19:00:52 GMT
It seems only those who fanatically defend ryansword always seem to think he is picking them out. It is no different than those who are accused of picking out Hanwei or any other company that sells a large volume of swords. The more purchased, the more reviews and the higher the chance you'll have issues at some point, makes sense to me. I seriously doubt he's spending his own money hoping to get something other than what he paid for or expected, and I'm not talking about something minor like a paint chip or wrong color ito. Plus, he has stated many times that he doesn't think all ryansword katana are bad and that many other ebay sellers pull the same stuff regarding false claims of laminated construction. From the correspondence he provided, it seems to me he tried very hard not to get duped this time. The fact that he goes to the trouble to try and give his fellow buyers and collectors a heads up on his experiences is what belonging to a sword community is all about. I appreciate it, as do many others here. -Josh To everyone, I picked Ryanswords because: 1) he seemed to be a large seller of swords (all types) 2) he claims to be "one of the top-class sword manufacturers in China" and "Over 200 Years Legacy and Craftsmanship" 3) he sells blades on ebay and on his website 4) people on this forum stand-by RS 5) he had a sanmai katana with regular fittings and a nice saya going for $738 We exchanged >10 emails from Dec 8, 2014 through Mar 8, 2015. I sent him pictures, set expectations, and got confirmation before the blade was shipped. Regarding sanmai or honsanmai lamination he's a fraud like many others on ebay. And from my one purchase and input from other RS sword owners, the blades are not any better than other LongQuan, China blades. In fact mine was not even properly heat treated, which according to Gong (the owner of RS) my blade was correctly heat treated. . |
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 15, 2015 19:17:40 GMT
Thanks for the fact finding Digs. Sorry for your disappointment. I only read the text and looked at the pics. Have not yet watched your videos. Did you return the sword in like-new condition? Or have to do destructive testing? If so, it was very nice of the seller to refund...many will not if the return has been damaged. Yes, Longquan sword sellers will buy blades...then do the fittings customization per buyer requests. Buying from various sources. Said sources are not always honest with even other Chinese businessmen. Which was what got Katana1980 screwed over....he got a batch of "sanmai" katana blades at a good deal...about a 30% discount from the usual price. Turned out many of them were folded blades (not sanmai) as your purchase found out. BTW, he mentioned that sales are really slow. Which is in line with what the latest SBG newsletter said. RinC Money was refunded after pics of the "destructive tests" were sent. He claimed that no mistake was made and the blade was honsanmai. Actually he said something along the lines of "how do you know it's not honsanmai". The pics and video set him straight. I do not believe for one moment that the ebay sellers of sanmai or honsanmai do not know what they're doing.
I do not believe for one moment that they can't see the blades and the lamination line with their own eyes.
My blade was TH and had no fake abrasive hamon. Just like the $25 sanmai knives you and I own, it's very easy to see the lamination line. Katana1980, Ryanswords, etc. are committing fraud in my experince.
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 15, 2015 19:28:03 GMT
p.s. There is nothing wrong with a good, correctly heat treated, folded blade....as long as it is advertised and priced as such. Katana2011 sell such. They also sell Kobuse blades but those run about $350+ last I looked. Katana2011 is selling 3 honsanmai blades, 1095 steel, real rayskin, each one for $123.80 and free shipping. This seller actually shows a "honsanmai line" or lamination line. I mean he highlights it! I call BS on this one too. The Katana1980 and Ryanswords incidents have left a bad taste in my mouth to even try to buy this sword. Without even buying it I will group this seller in my list of "do not trust"! |
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 15, 2015 20:45:19 GMT
A little help please Digs.
Link to the Wang-katana2011 or Katana1980 "honsanmai" blades please?
I did not see them.
Thanks,
RinC
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 15, 2015 20:47:39 GMT
p.s. Digs, your initial post in this thread with the pics...isn't that a pic/drawing of a sanmai blade?
Not a hon-sanmai?
Sure looks like a regular sanmai.
RinC
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 15, 2015 20:56:00 GMT
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 15, 2015 21:04:44 GMT
www.ebay.com/itm/Wakizashi-Japanese-Samurai-Sword-Sanmai-Folded-Steel-Clay-Tempered-Battle-Ready-/221823110223Here is a link to one of Ryansword's "honsanmai" blades I found. The text description says honsanmai but the illustration is of a sanmai blade, not a honsanmai. So he seems inaccurate in text but correct in graphics....at least when Ryan's blade is actual sanmai and not just folded. In general, the more complex the blade construction, the higher the price. Just as Wang-katana2011's kobuse blades cost a chunk more than their folded blades. It is always good for "buyer beware" regardless. I know fakes are a plenty in nihontos too....mail order dealer once sold me a "Akihiro" koto katana many years ago. Turned out the nakago was signed such (assuming it was signed by the real Akihiro) but the blade, while quite nice, was from someone else and actually welded onto the nakago....a sword I never would have bought if I could have handled and looked at it prior to purchase....and yes, in time, I was able to sell it back to the dealer. RinC
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 15, 2015 21:11:15 GMT
p.s. Digs, your initial post in this thread with the pics...isn't that a pic/drawing of a sanmai blade? Not a hon-sanmai? Sure looks like a regular sanmai. RinC Good catch. The blade that first got my interest was selling at $738 and was listed and described as honsanmai but the pic provided in the ebay listing was sanmai. www.ebay.com/itm/321604903127?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITThe link to the blade above was the reason I started emailing Gong and initiating a discussion about sanmai/honsanmai. |
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 15, 2015 21:13:57 GMT
Hi Digs,
re. the Wang-katana2011 sword....I see they used the words "honsanmai hamon" but personally, I am not sure it is DH or what. Could not tell.
re. the Katana1980 sword....claim is sanmai...did not see "honsanmai" mentioned per your claim, but maybe I overlooked such.
A mono 1060 meat with folded 1045 bread sandwich blade?
One side doesn't look it.
The other side does look to have a strip of mono along the edge.
RinC
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on Jul 15, 2015 21:25:13 GMT
Hi Digs, re. the Wang-katana2011 sword....I see they used the words "honsanmai hamon" but personally, I am not sure it is DH or what. Could not tell. re. the Katana1980 sword....claim is sanmai...did not see "honsanmai" mentioned per your claim, but maybe I overlooked such. A mono 1060 meat with folded 1045 bread sandwich blade? One side doesn't look it. The other side does look to have a strip of mono along the edge. RinC I don't know where I said anything about Katana1980 and honsanmai? But what's the difference... Katana1980 claims sanmai, shows a picture of a poorly made laminated blade, but you're going to get 100% damascus regardless unless youre a rep whore, big customer, or someone who will promote his business. |
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Post by Robert in California on Jul 15, 2015 21:29:08 GMT
"I don't know where I said anything about Katana1980 and honsanmai? But what's the difference... Katana1980 claims sanmai, shows a picture of a poorly made laminated blade, but you're going to get 100% damascus regardless unless youre a rep whore, big customer, or someone who will promote his business"
Digs,
You have given SBG Forum valuable service by exposing inaccuracy in sword descriptions.
But you need to not go overboard and generalize like this.
It detracts from your otherwise valuable service in fact finding.
RinC
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 21:45:29 GMT
thank god i am not into Katana anymore...too much stuff to pay attention to. My Ryan-Kats are sold bynow, and i have absolutely no problems with their TH "euro" styles...but i admit i do seldom cut with them and only light targets. So i cant give an exact feedback for the heat treatment. But i know by now to recognize a well-made euro-style blade, and looking at the even and crisp lines and the very good distal taper on my "Atlantean" left a very good impression. Why RS is doing that strange things with false advertisings i dont know and i am scared and uncomfortable with that too, especially because i made another purchase with them...
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