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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 9, 2015 20:46:32 GMT
My goodness, those people... I think we need better administrators for our FB. It does not represent anything that this forum stands for, anymore. The people are rude and vulgar, it's full of people that don't know what they are talking about and won't listen to the few that try to keep it on track, and it's just a big mess. I don't know who all the administrators are, but I know Daniel and other mods/admin probably doesn't have time to moderate the entire page as it is vast.
Is there anything we can do to get our FB page back to where it actually represents us?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 9, 2015 21:00:47 GMT
Dan is the only admin on the FB page... Maybe the mods here could be made admins there as well? That should lighten Dan's load. It is a bit wild there... I don't think it's AS bad as you suggest... But it is more Wild West then the forums here.
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 9, 2015 21:05:34 GMT
It's pretty bad. Because those of us that actually care don't like to post anything on there because it's tiring trying to make your point when you are only met with vulgar people and rudeness. It's not like on here where we make good points and have real discussions and debates about a new product or something that we recieved. And if someone has a question, there is an honest and logical answer without someone throwing out misinformation and then cussing you out for telling them that what they said was misinformed.
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 9, 2015 21:44:17 GMT
That's weird. I feel like it's quite the opposite with well-mannered people here and a lot of fighting on the FB page. Maybe it's the parts of the forum or particular threads we read that make the difference?
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Post by JGonzalez on Mar 9, 2015 22:06:22 GMT
I don't have any bad vibes from either here nor FB. IF it is a subject that I have no interest in I leave it be. (example: Drop Forged Swords) Most of the time things are pretty cool. I try real hard not to add emotions to anyone's typing, that's where the trouble starts When I 'read into' people's thought. and some people are just opinionated whatayagonnado?
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Post by LemuelTheLemur on Mar 9, 2015 23:31:07 GMT
eh, it's a bit rowdier over on the facebook page but its also a bit more lively. Less moderation might not be a bad thing, you know, different strokes for different folks.
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 9, 2015 23:40:17 GMT
More lively and diversity I'm all for! But there are a lot of rude folk on there. I just don't understand why. People can disagree respectfully and have calm conversations about why they disagree. Not what I just went through.
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Post by LemuelTheLemur on Mar 10, 2015 0:11:25 GMT
just saw the fb thread you were referring to (I usually skip the katana posts). Yup people need to chill the f**k out. I'm sure there's a thread around here (cottontail must have written something up somewhere) about the common pitfalls of cheaper katanas. Still, when the issues with a sword are mostly aesthetic (like a misshaped tsuka or an imperfect ito wrap) it's pretty hard to convince someone that they should want something else. You can personally hold aesthetic values up to an accepted standard within a community, but in the end its really just subjective. I personally think the Conan sword looks like a** (just a different generation thing :/). I can pull out any number of arguments and show historical examples of swords to enforce my point, but I doubt I'll convince anyone of anything, even if I'm "right". If people want to love an ugly a** sword they customized themselves, more power to them :P
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 10, 2015 0:25:06 GMT
Indeed Daniel is the acting moderator on the Facebook page, and I am a semi-quasi-moderator in charge of okaying the Facebook applications. Unfortunately for Dan, the rules seem quite a bit looser on the Facebook page, making the active enforcement of what's okay and not okay much more difficult. Here, we have specific rules and specific guidelines to follow upon the breaking of these rules. On the Facebook page it is much more up to the members to keep themselves in line. There is a line, though. If a member places enough heat upon themselves they will be reviewed and possibly kicked.
I don't necessarily agree that there's significantly more poo to wade through here, though there has been more than average in the recent past. Also, the extent to which things go here is also less than that which occurs on the Facebook page.
In the end, please bear in mind that it is more the responsibility of the members to keep the Facebook page a fun, pleasant place.
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 10, 2015 0:52:35 GMT
I won't agree with you, Lemur, but we just respectfully disagreed. See? Neither of us is upset. We just have different opinions and tastes. No harm, no foul. Although, I DO agree that trying to explain what is better/worse does seem to fall on deaf ears. Even if the intention was good.
Adrian, I tried to say it in a way that wasn't accusing anybody of not doing a good job, and I think it came across less-good than I had intended. And sorry if it was offensive.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 10, 2015 2:05:58 GMT
Not at all, Mike. Your post wasn't accusatory or improper. I just wanted to make things a bit clearer so that they'd have an idea of how all that worked.
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Post by RicWilly on Mar 10, 2015 2:17:24 GMT
It looks to me like the FB group is where they go to cry about how they are treated here.
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Post by Afoo on Mar 10, 2015 2:38:20 GMT
I was not aware that there was a fb group. However, my general impression from facebook or most other online social network containing a significant amount of people in general is that of a giant cesspit of rudeness and vulgarity within which the occasional sparks of genuine kindness and intellect may emerge, only to be crushed by a wall of four letter words and cat memes.
Again, I have not seen the fb page (have just applied to join), but my gut instinct is to agree with Mikeeman just through my experiences on the internet as a whole.
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Post by Razor on Mar 10, 2015 2:50:49 GMT
The problem with the FB SBG, is that it's a FB group. From what I see from FB groups seem to be more wild west and youtubey vibe than forums do. The page is new to me and forget that some people on there don't even know or have the common knowledge that member on here have. I have seen some disrespectful and members can be rude and vulgar, but it can also happen here, I seen it. Mods try to stop it fast and we all try to be friendly and respectful here.
I like the FB group, it feels more adult like there and less PC than it does here.
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Post by Razor on Mar 10, 2015 2:53:06 GMT
I was not aware that there was a fb group. However, my general impression from facebook or most other online social network containing a significant amount of people in general is that of a giant cesspit of rudeness and vulgarity within which the occasional sparks of genuine kindness and intellect may emerge, only to be crushed by a wall of four letter words and cat memes. Again, I have not seen the fb page (have just applied to join), but my gut instinct is to agree with Mikeeman just through my experiences on the internet as a whole. Someone did ask Milkeeman,"Why isn't he f@*k!ng is mother right now".
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Post by Afoo on Mar 10, 2015 2:59:42 GMT
I was not aware that there was a fb group. However, my general impression from facebook or most other online social network containing a significant amount of people in general is that of a giant cesspit of rudeness and vulgarity within which the occasional sparks of genuine kindness and intellect may emerge, only to be crushed by a wall of four letter words and cat memes. Again, I have not seen the fb page (have just applied to join), but my gut instinct is to agree with Mikeeman just through my experiences on the internet as a whole. Someone did ask Milkeeman,"Why isn't he f@*k!ng is mother right now". And to image that Facebook is the end result of thousands of years of human evolution and technological development
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 10, 2015 3:07:31 GMT
Hey, how does HE know if I'm porkin' my mom or not?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 10, 2015 4:10:16 GMT
Just before I resigned as a moderator here... I was about to suggest to Dan that we use the same rules of conduct on the FB page as we do here... And suggest the mods be made administrators to enforce that. I thought it was a confusing situation to have what is basicly an extension of SBG opperated under different rules.
Then I resigned... And said "oh, %#^* it."
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Post by RicWilly on Mar 10, 2015 4:36:49 GMT
My first impression of the FB group was why? We already had SBG so it seemed redundant. In reality I see no similarity between the two. Personally I don't mind a lack of rules. I like it a little rough. I don't care for whiners tho.
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Post by William Swiger on Mar 10, 2015 5:16:51 GMT
My first impression of the FB group was why? We already had SBG so it seemed redundant. In reality I see no similarity between the two. Personally I don't mind a lack of rules. I like it a little rough. I don't care for whiners tho.
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