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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 16, 2015 2:36:52 GMT
It's not that. It's not me vs him. It's what's good for our community vs his arrogance.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 16, 2015 2:40:49 GMT
Sorry amigo, not really our domain. If you're having issues then you could send Daniel a PM and he may be able to help.
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Post by JGonzalez on Mar 16, 2015 2:47:46 GMT
It's not that. It's not me vs him. It's what's good for our community vs his arrogance. I can see where you're coming from especially since I've read those posts but this outside of our purview. Forum members can't help, we'd just be adding fuel to the fire. The internet is very empowering. It's takes authority, authority that we don't have to do anything in that arena. Otherwise, we're just Cartman.
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Post by JGonzalez on Mar 16, 2015 2:48:21 GMT
Doh! I didn't see Mr. Jordan's post, sorry about that
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Post by Afoo on Mar 16, 2015 2:52:37 GMT
I can't see whats going on, but I presume we can do little to actually help in the long run. I would just let it die and slowly quit the FB group. Its not worth it.
When someone wants a fight (especially on the internet), no amount of evidence or backup will make them stop
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 16, 2015 3:07:12 GMT
I PM'd Daniel. Daniel has more to do than mess with silly FB arguments.
I would LOVE to agree, Afoo, but I just can't quietly walk away and let someone misrepresent us and make us look that way.
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Post by JGonzalez on Mar 16, 2015 3:12:46 GMT
I unsubscribed from the thread. It got to where people were just throwing in just to fan the flames......
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 16, 2015 3:16:27 GMT
No disrespect in walking away from a flame war. You're stronger than I, good sir.
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Post by Afoo on Mar 16, 2015 3:29:16 GMT
Feeding their "us vs them" attitude is not going to help. Mikeeman might be correct in that it may be better to stick around so that they can see what we are really about, but definitely not at the cost of your sanity or mental wellbeing. Some things are worth it. Others, not so much. There comes to a point where they get so polarized that any interaction with us, no matter how small or trivial, will only serve to fuel their arguments against us. Its how group-think works - they have a certain prevailing idea which gets amplified over time so that only the most extreme version of it survives.
This video is a great example of how groupthink works . Basically there is a party line. People get shunned if they stray from the party line, and get praised for furthering it. Which direction do you think it will evolve?
Important thing is to also realize that this is a though process, and hope that we do not fall into the same trap.
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Post by JGonzalez on Mar 16, 2015 3:48:10 GMT
No disrespect in walking away from a flame war. You're stronger than I, good sir. :)
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 16, 2015 3:50:56 GMT
Feeding their "us vs them" attitude is not going to help. Mikeeman might be correct in that it may be better to stick around so that they can see what we are really about, but definitely not at the cost of your sanity or mental wellbeing. Some things are worth it. Others, not so much. There comes to a point where they get so polarized that any interaction with us, no matter how small or trivial, will only serve to fuel their arguments against us. Its how group-think works - they have a certain prevailing idea which gets amplified over time so that only the most extreme version of it survives. This video is a great example of how groupthink works . Basically there is a party line. People get shunned if they stray from the party line, and get praised for furthering it. Which direction do you think it will evolve? Important thing is to also realize that this is a though process, and hope that we do not fall into the same trap. You have an extremely good point. But it seems that I'm getting a lot of backing. It's not my intent to call someone names or point a particular person out, but it's starting to catch on that this is not good for us as a whole and the community seems to be taking a stand against it. You are wiser than I, but I am stubborn.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 16, 2015 3:57:43 GMT
Read the thread. Really unfortunate turn it took. Here are some things I would say, not as a moderator or authority, but as a fellow sword lover but also a person who does not know either of you personally.
I don't think that Donnie is intentionally or maliciously spreading misinformation about Ryansword. I think he genuinely loves his sword and since his experience with said company has been good he is enthusiastic about sharing that.
I think that Donnie goes off way too fast and gets too personal. Not everybody who dislikes or distrusts Ryansword does so out of misplaced malice. Likewise, not everybody who disagrees with or criticizes his review or general thoughts on the brand are always wrong or hateful.
I think that the major figures in these arguments would do well to block each other. At the very least stop mentioning each other, either implicitly or explicitly. None of you are getting anything positive out of the situation, and nobodies views are receiving any positive attention.
My personal view of the forum and Facebook is that you'd want to keep in touch with people you like, not argue with people that are not going to see it from your side in this lifetime. By putting your personal thoughts and opinions on a public forum you are inviting the opinions and criticism of others about your own. Not all of them are going to be constructive, or civil, or even make any sense.
Maybe not much help, but those are my thoughts.
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 16, 2015 4:01:08 GMT
I'm probably not going about it the right way. I don't know. But, hey, I'm trying. I'm only human.
Your input is much appreciated, Adrian. Both as a moderator and a fellow forumite.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 16, 2015 4:21:12 GMT
No problem. I don't think you guys are bad dudes, just not a fit for each other(as friends, hahaha).
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Post by Afoo on Mar 16, 2015 4:22:25 GMT
I can imagine how things are like on your side, Mikeeman. Its easy for us to say something, but its probably a lot harder to actually do it, I like Adrian's point though - facebook is for people who's faces I know, and whose phone numbers I keep in a book.
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Post by El Chingon on Mar 16, 2015 5:07:44 GMT
Mr Jordan said: "Read the thread. Really unfortunate turn it took. Here are some things I would say, not as a moderator or authority, but as a fellow sword lover but also a person who does not know either of you personally.
I don't think that Donnie is intentionally or maliciously spreading misinformation about Ryansword. I think he genuinely loves his sword and since his experience with said company has been good he is enthusiastic about sharing that.
I think that Donnie goes off way too fast and gets too personal. Not everybody who dislikes or distrusts Ryansword does so out of misplaced malice. Likewise, not everybody who disagrees with or criticizes his review or general thoughts on the brand are always wrong or hateful.
I think that the major figures in these arguments would do well to block each other. At the very least stop mentioning each other, either implicitly or explicitly. None of you are getting anything positive out of the situation, and nobodies views are receiving any positive attention.
My personal view of the forum and Facebook is that you'd want to keep in touch with people you like, not argue with people that are not going to see it from your side in this lifetime. By putting your personal thoughts and opinions on a public forum you are inviting the opinions and criticism of others about your own. Not all of them are going to be constructive, or civil, or even make any sense.
Maybe not much help, but those are my thoughts. "
I agree most wholeheartedly with these thoughts. Now, I don't post much on the FB but I read it. I'd like to know exactly what misinformation Donnie is supposed to be spreading. That aside, the latest bout on the FB page was messed up. Donnie said nothing till someone told him about mikee's jabs at him on Wes Beem's post. mikee made the first comment and it was plain to see where it was going. The 2nd (also by him) was along the same vein. Checking the thread, it was three of his first four posts(some of the much later ones really pushed it). Rather than letting it go at past arguments, he chose to lower himself and speak behind the man's back, knowing Donnie has friends there who can see what he said and eventually fill him in and causing another row. I'm not one of Donnie's friends. There are some things I agree with that he says, and some that I might not agree with. But the way that whole thread started, it read like something one might see in a high school mean girl's clique. What ever happened to "If you got nothing good to say, say nothing"?
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Mar 16, 2015 5:25:53 GMT
Hello, friend. I was responding to things that have been said in that thread and others, and that's a subject that has turned up a few times and I wanted to address.
I like both Mike and Donnie insofar as I know them, but some personalities don't mix.
That's one of my favorite sayings. I can't say that I've always adhered to it, but I try. I believe that you can't be expected to be treated any better than you treat someone, so I try to be nice and fair with everybody.
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Post by William Swiger on Mar 16, 2015 5:26:37 GMT
My personal view is the Forum and FB site in question are 2-different animals. We have the official FB page: www.facebook.com/SwordBuyersGuideand this one: www.facebook.com/groups/47814805841/I would say the second one is by name associated with the forum but not in the spirit of what our forum is about in regards to being friendly. It is a group and not an official page.
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Post by RicWilly on Mar 16, 2015 5:33:06 GMT
Sorry, Mikee, I dont argue on FB. It's pointless, I've yet to see someone change someone elses mind. Besides, I love ya man, but you did pick that fight.
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Post by Mikeeman on Mar 16, 2015 5:48:25 GMT
I know...
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