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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 15:12:37 GMT
It's morphin time!
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Post by sebastiansg on Jan 24, 2015 16:16:42 GMT
Great I just tossed my headphones on the floor while watching the 3rd video...
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Post by nddave on Jan 24, 2015 19:57:20 GMT
Yea this reminds me alot of Gumdo too. For awhile in my home town there was a Gumdo/Tae Kwon Do/Tang Soo Do school under Kirk Koskella. Supposedly according to him he was a grandmaster in all three arts but when I researched him there wasn't much said about him and what there was wasn't good. From what I got he was blacklisted regarding the international martial arts community. He only was in Emmett Idaho for a year then he was caught for tax evasion and sent off to jail. Went to school with his kids who were both high ranking in his taught arts.
Anyway long story short those videos reminded me alot of his sword classes when I would visit. His son would argue all day about Korean arts and their "supremacy and history" over Chinese and Japanese arts. I always considered it a little too flashy and not practical enough, never could get ol Neil (his son) to spar hand to hand or with bokken. Said his rank and tournament level wouldn't allow it or some bs...
Bottom line on the videos more flashy sport showings that have gotten more and more popular this last decade than they deserve thanks to ESPN 2 and whatnot.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Jan 24, 2015 20:18:45 GMT
Requires Olympic caliber constipation... I mean concentration.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jan 24, 2015 20:19:37 GMT
I did not know that about the Power Ranger either. All I knew is that it was an acrobatic performance art that borrowed from martial arts. Yeah, XMA is totally a Western thing. I'm sure that there is something like it in Japan, but since I don't enjoy the performances I haven't checked around. Like I said, they are freakishly athletic and have great coordination, but I'm just not a fan.
On the other forum there were some great links to some pretty amazing cutting done by Gumdo practitioners. I kind of wrote it off at first, but having seen some more of it I think it would be a mistake to do so now. The footwork, speed, power and accuracy is impressive. The flashier elements seem more normal to me now that I've taken the time to consider other Korean arts like TKD, Hwa Rang Do and Hapkido.
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Post by whitefeathers on Jan 24, 2015 21:59:48 GMT
Randomnobody, I got that from your post that you werent being mean.
Also the reason why in the video with the Master Kim doing forms 1-11 has the sword going waaay faaaar back is that he is doing a very slow, basic, big exaggerated demonstration. It was probably supposed to be a reference video for his students that got leaked out onto youtube.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Jan 24, 2015 23:52:36 GMT
Like others have said, it's XMA. I personally can't stand it, since it's all about the flash and none of the substance in Martial Arts. I looked around and found the following info for one of the "swords" used at these "competitions" $250
Short DescriptionThe Hyper Pro Sword is designed for performance and is weighted and balances for advanced strikes, tricks and combinations. Each sword is hand crafted and machined in california. Blade Aircraft 6061 Aluminum - Unsharpened Serrated Blade Hyper H engraved on hand guard (tsuba) and handle cap (kashira) Highbred Red Oak Wood sheath (saya) with engraved Hyper Logo Includes cloth grip tape on handle. Hand crafted & Machined in USA. DetailsAdditional Sword Specs & Sizes 26" Adult: Overall length 38 inches. 26 in blade weight of sword is 12.8 oz 23" Youth: Overall length 34inches. Blade 23 inches Weighs 12oz 19" Child: Overall length 28" in 19 blade weighs 11.2 oz. **Please check your state laws, this item may not be available in all areas. hypermartialarts.com/shop/weapons/hyper-pro-sword-26-blade.html |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 0:01:19 GMT
Make no mistake about skill, the Chinese performance wushu practitioners at the highest level are probably at the same level as Olympic gymnasts, they are incredibly fit and agile, it's just that these performance arts emphasise the ART in martial arts, and that's okay if people understand it for what it is.
It is unfortunate when people start believing that martial arts are meant to look 'flashy'. I studied one of the older koryu styles dated around 1500 for a short time before work commitments forced me to stop, and before I was accepted to join, the sensei warned me that real battlefield Japanese sword arts are very plain and utilitarian, they don't have "all those flashy moves". I suspect people with false preconceptions expecting flashy moves they see in the movies were surprised when they saw what true traditional JSAs are like in the real world.
As long as it's made clear that these are performance arts, and not practical martial arts, then thy have their place as long as they don't start masquerading as true martial arts. There's a place for everything as long as people understand where everything fits in! :)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 0:07:04 GMT
Yeah, its the same freestyle music kata semprini which has been rolling over karate and taekwondo since the 80ies...multicoloured gi and 3 kicks per second on one leg...well at least Jean Frenette and John Chung were cool somehow!
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Jan 25, 2015 0:14:46 GMT
Blackthorn, that's precisely why my Iaido sensei (he's also an 8th degree BB in karate - you can see a small bio of him here: www.miyake-shukokai.com/sensei.htm) doesn't like going to any "tournaments" that deal with weapons. He told me once a few years ago he might consider taking me to a national tournament, but changed his mind after remembering how badly traditional Iaido/other koryu sword arts did at the previous national tournament he took his top Karate team to. He said the flashier the performance, the more points the "artist" was rewarded... no one who was traditionally trained won anything at the tournament. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 0:54:29 GMT
Yeah, its the same freestyle music kata (censored) which has been rolling over karate and taekwondo since the 80ies...multicoloured gi and 3 kicks per second on one leg...well at least Jean Frenette and John Chung were cool somehow! Freestyle music kata? What the hell, I've heard it all now. I think this stuff is too much of a corruption on authentic martial arts. Anyone can make up some rubbish and con there students by teaching them more rubbish. LG martial arts, I don't blame your sensei at all for wanting to avoid having you participate in tournaments. |
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Post by Krelian on Jan 25, 2015 7:44:34 GMT
I don't know which I find more puzzling, the fact that they make these or the fact the someone out there buys them... Actually that's how I feel about these made up modern styles too. In the age of the internet how/why do these imitation dojo stay in business...? |
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Post by Darius359au on Jan 25, 2015 8:52:51 GMT
This girls scream sounds worse than a horror movie and she would have chopped her ponytail off at 50 seconds if it was an actual shinken lol. ummm....I wonder how many have tried the squatting on the blade thing she does with a live blade and suddenly found they cant walk after they've cut the tendons at the back of their knees ;-| |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 9:49:26 GMT
Yeah, its the same freestyle music kata (censored) which has been rolling over karate and taekwondo since the 80ies...multicoloured gi and 3 kicks per second on one leg...well at least Jean Frenette and John Chung were cool somehow! Freestyle music kata? What the hell, I've heard it all now. I think this stuff is too much of a corruption on authentic martial arts. Anyone can make up some rubbish and con there students by teaching them more rubbish. LG martial arts, I don't blame your sensei at all for wanting to avoid having you participate in tournaments. And those were the GOOD guys, who studied traditionally for years! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 9:57:02 GMT
...and today:
wobbeldiwacky technique, sloppy execution...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 10:01:59 GMT
...and now comapare it to THIS (SCREW the music!!!):
TEMPERED steel!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 10:04:35 GMT
'Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past, you must fight to keep them aliveeeee.' No fair, eye of the tiger makes anything acceptable  Jokes aside, his technique actual looks legit. His center of gravity is good, strikes are thrown out well without throwing himself off balance. Gets a pass lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 10:11:29 GMT
Usami Rika is damn sexy btw. My kind of woman Ah that's depressing. As couple of years ago I could rival her kata form. She's got great power and technique. Shame I had a bad lower back injury for years and focusing all your power daily into techniques and fast waist rotation didn't help. I'm a yoga pro now lol, doing isometric training and flexibility stretches to help rehabilitate my poor back. |
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Post by Matthew.Jensen on Jan 25, 2015 13:01:50 GMT
Did these photos get posted just to make fun of the people involved in them? If you have an actual concern about a move or perhaps the purpose, then I get the idea. Still seems like this is quickly devolving into making fun folks for no particular reason.
I'm not personally a good martial artist and I have no officiation with any of the organizations in the video but I am a parent. Two of these looked like children competing in some kind of tournament. I appreciate that they had the guts to work hard and compete. I don't know the context of the tournament or what they are trying to do. Still, it seems like posting it on a forum in the hope that people will make snide comments is in poor taste.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 13:16:43 GMT
Did these photos get posted just to make fun of the people involved in them? If you have an actual concern about a move or perhaps the purpose, then I get the idea. Still seems like this is quickly devolving into making fun folks for no particular reason. I'm not personally a good martial artist and I have no officiation with any of the organizations in the video but I am a parent. Two of these looked like children competing in some kind of tournament. I appreciate that they had the guts to work hard and compete. I don't know the context of the tournament or what they are trying to do. Still, it seems like posting it on a forum in the hope that people will make snide comments is in poor taste. Not really the intention. I asked where this 'style' originated from when which I came across while browsing YouTube. My opinion is that it seems peculiar as is shared by others. The age of the practitioners shouldnt be an issue. That problem falls on the teachers of this supposed martial art. If like myself you valued something that is a real martial art and something that is made up, I think it would be to the benefit of the community to know what to avoid. Just saying ya know? |
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