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Post by randomnobody on Jan 24, 2015 3:01:32 GMT
Actually, not much is significantly different from the Japanese arts, and there are a lot of really heated debates on this matter.  |
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Post by chrisperoni on Jan 24, 2015 4:43:27 GMT
This is just terrible
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Post by WEWolf on Jan 24, 2015 5:05:44 GMT
That Gumdo is cool. I could no more do that than I could whistle "Dixie" out my hind end.
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Post by ineffableone on Jan 24, 2015 6:49:06 GMT
Does anybody know where it came from? I personally don't like the performance I think this kind of stuff came from the people who watched the Karate Kid and routed for Cobra Kai thinking they were the good guys. |
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Post by madmandom on Jan 24, 2015 7:04:29 GMT
What? Tha cobra kai weren't the good guys?
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Jan 24, 2015 7:13:17 GMT
looks like individual synchronized swimming with a sword ! (where you get "more miles with smiles") or in this case more points the louder you scream.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 7:56:55 GMT
Gumdo looks made up to me as well. I tried to watch the second video look how far back the guy brings the sword behind his head.
I read somewhere gumdo was only established in the 1970-80's.
It also seems the Koreans have turned tameshigiri into an art form more than the Japanese have.
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Post by freq on Jan 24, 2015 8:36:48 GMT
pretty sure its x-m-a, but looks like mad sword flailing to me. this is what happens when you learn the sword by playing fruit ninja
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Post by justin520 on Jan 24, 2015 11:26:05 GMT
Gumdo looks made up to me as well. I tried to watch the second video look how far back the guy brings the sword behind his head. I read somewhere gumdo was only established in the 1970-80's. It also seems the Koreans have turned tameshigiri into an art form more than the Japanese have. I think a lot of people have called bullshido on gumdo cause it is really just revised kenjutsu/kendo, but I mean for the most part it can work in a fight. All the spinning would be p!$$ pants frightening in a fight though and a view it as superfluous style moves thrown into what works (possibly Chinese stuff?) but other than that I can't say something is bullshido if it's new as long as it works in a fight. After all, look at how I'm learning, messer and miao dao forms are not historically combined historically. One thing with gumdo though is when people try to get a chosun ninja on you saying that this is something ancient lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 11:37:08 GMT
These belong in the XMA(Xtreme Martial Arts) category. Kind of like what modern Wu Shu is to Kung Fu, XMA is to (mostly) Japanese martial arts. Lots of spinning, twirling and jumping and flipping, not much actual martial art. I admire the level of athleticism that the contestants show, but am generally pretty appalled by the performances and don't watch them anymore. That's exactly what it is, it's the Japanese martial arts version of Chinese 'performance wushu', which is purely a performance art. Well, considering that almost everything in Japanese culture was copied from the Chinese at some point or other in history, they were going to rip off performance wushu eventually... Or is this a US phenomenon from Japanese style practitioners living there???
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Post by justin520 on Jan 24, 2015 11:40:02 GMT
These belong in the XMA(Xtreme Martial Arts) category. Kind of like what modern Wu Shu is to Kung Fu, XMA is to (mostly) Japanese martial arts. Lots of spinning, twirling and jumping and flipping, not much actual martial art. I admire the level of athleticism that the contestants show, but am generally pretty appalled by the performances and don't watch them anymore. That's exactly what it is, it's the Japanese martial arts version of Chinese 'performance wushu', which is purely a performance art. Well, considering that almost everything in Japanese culture was copied from the Chinese at some point or other in history, they were going to rip off performance wushu eventually... Or is this a US phenomenon from Japanese style practitioners living there???
I think it's western based, you'd be hard pressed to find this in a country where koryu and kendo dominate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 12:40:36 GMT
So you reckon it's a US McJunk Culture Cobra-kai style Japanese wannabe hero martial arts imitation of Chinese wushu, if that's the case then that's really sad!
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Post by justin520 on Jan 24, 2015 12:45:59 GMT
So you reckon it's a US McJunk Culture Cobra-kai style Japanese wannabe hero martial arts imitation of Chinese wushu, if that's the case then that's really sad! I'm a youngster so I don't remember the great ninja fad and martial arts famine of the 1980's but I'm pretty sure this is a product of that, at least it isn't qi lol. |
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Jan 24, 2015 13:04:24 GMT
Extreme martial arts originated in USA in the 90's (I believe or maybe early 00's). It's similar to tricking & other stuff like that, the focus is on flashy moves rather than actual fighting skill. Performers of these modern showmanship arts often perform highly skilled acrobatics on stage, but it is more like gymnastics or acrobatics than actual fighting. Here is some info about the XMA founder: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_ChaturantabutI don't think it's sad though, people have fun doing it and that is what I think it's important for that sport. They do not practice old traditional arts, they just make flashy moves with weapons and I don't see anything wrong with that if they don't injure themselves or anyone else while doing so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 13:15:38 GMT
Thanks for the link Jussi, that explains it, and it's really damn sad, it's far worse than I thought.
The founder is the guy from 'Power Rangers' (the blue one lol), he's part Chinese and lives in the US, so he's just rebranded performance wushu from his parent's culture for the US crowd and repackaged it in a way that it would appeal to them, by making it more crass, pretentious and macho, much like the 'professional wrestling'!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 13:31:22 GMT
So you reckon it's a US McJunk Culture Cobra-kai style Japanese wannabe hero martial arts imitation of Chinese wushu, if that's the case then that's really sad! I'm a youngster so I don't remember the great ninja fad and martial arts famine of the 1980's but I'm pretty sure this is a product of that, at least it isn't qi lol. Dude, you missed out big time!
Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Star Wars and corny ninja films were everywhere in the 80s!!! Speaking of D-grade ninja films, anything by Sho Kosugi, and the movie American Ninja with Michael Dudikoff take the cake. American Ninja was Cobra-kai times ten mixed with super ninja coolness and BS swordplay that made Highlander look realistic!
I reckon Michael Dudikoff, the original 'American Ninja' was the inspiration for the US creation XMA, he had the look and image that is XMA before XMA was ever conceived, think of him as the Billy Ray Cyrus of ninjitsu, and if you don't know Billy Ray Cyrus (but you have a faint idea who his daughter might be) then you're way too young lol!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 13:58:35 GMT
Thanks for the link Jussi, that explains it, and it's really damn sad, it's far worse than I thought. The founder is the guy from 'Power Rangers' (the blue one lol), he's part Chinese and lives in the US, so he's just rebranded performance wushu from his parent's culture for the US crowd and repackaged it in a way that it would appeal to them, by making it more crass, pretentious and macho, much like the 'professional wrestling'!!! He's a Power ranger!? What the hell...*facepalm* |
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Post by whitefeathers on Jan 24, 2015 14:42:09 GMT
Gumdo is like Capoeira with swords. That is the first time I heard that one  This particular video shows a "version' of "sparring" for the competition. It was a staged fight. The federation is developing a "real" sparring curriculum and rules that will expand more on the drills that we do now. (similar to paired kumitachi and Gekken in Toyama Ryu) Keep in mind this is a Modern Korean sword art that takes ideas from Chinese and Japanese styles. that opens itself up for the controversy that surrounds this style. Especially when they make claims that it is 2000 years old. It is only 30 some years old. I had no idea that guy was a power ranger. you learn things every day. |
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Post by JGonzalez on Jan 24, 2015 14:44:51 GMT
It looks like kids having fun, I like it. :)
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 24, 2015 14:46:13 GMT
Gumdo is like Capoeira with swords. That is the first time I heard that one Just in case, I meant that in a good way. To a novice, it looks flashy and wide open, with silly jumps and spins (at least some of it) but all the same I wouldn't recommend stepping in front of whoever's doing it. Capoeira even has its very own controversy over age and origin. Both are good fun and hard workouts, the fighting aspect of any martial art is pretty heavily downplayed in most modern societies, anyway. |
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