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Post by skurren83 on May 7, 2015 4:29:23 GMT
hello it that link yes so if its not he lies to everyone it clearly shows and says that it is a sasn mai lamination so when i recive it and cant tell if the mettal on the edge differ from the folded its not san mai he even has this Picture i wont say yes or know untill i see it. but if i should shipp it back can you guys please show me where i can by i proper sword.
thank you  full desciption
Blade: This data are base on our sword,you can see the details clearly and you can have a good Comparision! The Sword is made of the Tamahagane Steel and it is one of the to pest quality of katana sword. using the Tech of clay tempered Makes it Perfect! This katana can be taken apart fully anytime to maintenance. you can unassembled the blade from the handle by taking out the bamboo pin. The blade of this sword is extremely sharp and may cause serious injury.
The outer steel was made of folded steel, AISI 1060 High Carbon Steel are folded 12 times creating 4096 layers for superior strength and flexibility. the visible tenuous undulating grain on the blade was resulted from folded repeatedly during forging.
core steel was made of 1095 steel, The steel has been thoroughly refined and tempered, A special clay is applied to the blade by hand, using a thin covering near the edge and a thicker layer over the rest of the blade. this results in a relatively quicker cooling of the edge during quenching, producing a hard edge and softer back.
This blade has a shape in "Unokubi-Zukuri" style, There are two Hi on each side, one is longer and shallow which is from habaki to kissaki, one is shorter and deep which is from habaki to the middle of the blade, This not only allows for a lighter blade and audible feedback when swung. but also can balance the blade to achieve optimal performance.
Absorb the both advantage of the two kinds of high quality blade steel and folded into sword， It's very good for cutting test，The using of TECH of clay tempered will make the edage of the sword with 60HRC and the middle of the blade with 58-59 HRC.
This blade comes with a full length Tang which greatly enhances the strength of the sword. this sword is strong enough to cut through a thick bamboo tree with a single strike yet sharp enough to slice paper.
Tsuba: The Tsuba (guard) of the sword is High quality Alloy Tsuba. The Habiki (blade collar) is a one piece brass construction. Two Seppas (spacer) secure the Tsuba.
Tsuka: The Tsuka (handle) core is wooden and it is tightly wrapped over genuine Ray skin Samegawa with a synthetic silk Ito. The Fuchi (sleeve) and Kashira (buttcap) are alloy. The Tang of the sword is secured by two Mekugi (peg). Two alloy Menuki (ornament) are on each side of the Tsuka.
Saya：The saya (sheath) of the sword is hard wooden with a Black and gold high gloss finish. A cord Sage-O has been tied around the bright copper Kurigaga (knob) of the scabbard. the Koiguchi has been hardened.
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Post by skurren83 on May 7, 2015 4:37:05 GMT
its suppose to look like this if im not wrong..
 
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Post by skurren83 on May 7, 2015 4:44:56 GMT
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Post by chrisperoni on May 7, 2015 4:57:01 GMT
Well there's some hints you should see in that description to tell you it's a bunch of bs.
First off it says tamahagane steel but goes on to describe the layers of steel as aisi 1060 and 1095. Those are modern steels and modern designations for them; tamahagane is steel made from iron sands in a tatara furnace. You can't have it both ways when you try to explain your steel.
They also describe the tsuba as high quality alloy. That means they are zinc alloy and that is in fact pretty much the lowest quality material you can use for parts.
So what do we know from this? They're lying about what the sword is made from and the quality of the fittings. Therefore it's very reasonable to doubt the truth of their other claims. How can they deliver such a complex lamination style for that low price? Why would they when they can sell a basic 1060 monosteel for the same price? This is definitely a case of if it sounds too good to be true....
As to where to get a real sanmai lamination I don't know who to trust but I'm sure the guys here can help out. I would guess that Diggs knows.
I'd say you have a case to make a claim on ebay that the auction description and the sword you're getting are not the same so you have a right to a refund. Heck, the auction contradcits itself about the steel type! How can the sword be what was advertised!
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Post by chrisperoni on May 7, 2015 5:34:10 GMT
Oh and that $1000 one you linked to - there's nothing about the auction page, description, or pictures that prove it is real either. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's for real. At that price I would expect a lot more close up pictures of the blade in fact. That they don't have many is not a comforting sign imho. The tsuba looks gaudy to me too and the ito doesn't appear to alternate, but with so few low res images it's hard to know for sure. That's another bad sign.
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Post by Kenny N on May 7, 2015 5:51:32 GMT
Most likely just carbon steel. You say Japanese Tamahagane is very expensive. That is very true
However, Tamahagane from any other country like China is also very expensive with the amount of work that needs to go through to obtain a pure extract. Take Kaneie for example.
Kaneie are chinese made swords and their Tamahagane line is made of Chinese tamahagane. Yet they are above the $2000 price point.
In my opinion, the seller is either blatantly lying to its customers in the hopes of deceiving naive, inexperienced buyers or they are just not very knowledgeable about their products
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Post by aussie-rabbit on May 7, 2015 13:18:31 GMT
May I make some suggestions ?
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Post by Mikeeman on May 8, 2015 4:16:43 GMT
The second sword you linked is definitely not real "tamahagane." It is an insanely overpriced typical Chinese folded, DH katana that you can find for around $200. It took me literally one second to figure that out.
How, you ask? the habaki. Everyone worth their salt on this forum will agree with me.
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Post by skuren83 on May 8, 2015 5:49:02 GMT
The second sword you linked is definitely not real "tamahagane." It is an insanely overpriced typical Chinese folded, DH katana that you can find for around $200. It took me literally one second to figure that out. How, you ask? the habaki. Everyone worth their salt on this forum will agree with me. why the habaki? can u please explain? i have alot to learn but im Reading every day
regards skurren
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Post by skuren83 on May 8, 2015 6:14:59 GMT
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Post by me again on May 8, 2015 6:20:17 GMT
IIam really sorry for this "spamming" but one more q'
is this also not honsanmai?
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Post by chrisperoni on May 8, 2015 7:13:50 GMT
No need to apologize . We're all here because we want to learn more and share together. Swordsmith668 is pretty well regarded around here and his wares are considered good value and good swords overall. This one you've linked to is a good price for a good sword I'd say. 1095 steel with a real Hamon and a cool blade style, with a nice rosewood saya complete with buffalo horn. I bet you could even get it a bit cheaper with a decent offer. Only thing I would do is ask for 2 extra bamboo mekugi pins for when you are cutting. Buffalo horn pins are considered not the safest for long blades. They are fond on short tanto but for anything longer bamboo is preferred. I bet they would give the bamboo for free or at least sell you a few or a long stick you can make your own from. I don't know about that last blade you put a picture of but someone else might be able to tell |
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Post by DigsFossils-n-Knives on May 8, 2015 10:52:19 GMT
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Post by thanks a million on May 8, 2015 13:12:18 GMT
Med vänlig hälsning skurren83
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Post by aussie-rabbit on May 8, 2015 13:43:51 GMT
Swordsmith is a better deal, he leaves the BS to others, has great reputation and good blades, so the second one is the better deal by a long way |
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Post by aussie-rabbit on May 8, 2015 13:45:29 GMT
Med vänlig hälsning skurren83 English please |
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Post by Mikeeman on May 8, 2015 14:49:39 GMT
The second sword you linked is definitely not real "tamahagane." It is an insanely overpriced typical Chinese folded, DH katana that you can find for around $200. It took me literally one second to figure that out. How, you ask? the habaki. Everyone worth their salt on this forum will agree with me. why the habaki? can u please explain? i have alot to learn but im Reading every day
regards skurren
Those turtle/giraffe habakis are a sure-fire sign that screams "this sword is not super high quality." They throw them on a lot of swords in the sub $300 range to make them "stand out" a little, but most of us thing they are pretty ugly. So anything above that price range with one of these on it is almost guaranteed to be an overpriced rip-off. |
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Post by aussie-rabbit on May 9, 2015 9:36:40 GMT
mind you Hanbon use them as well but you can happily ask for plain, I personally don't like them. |
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Post by Brett on Jul 1, 2015 13:13:07 GMT
is this the real deal i boaught it from ruan-180 its suppose to be a san mai and clay teperd blade from tamahagane sorry for all my bad Spelling 
i would be glad if its clay temperd and is a real san mai lamination... if there is one who can give me a answer i will be thrilled
kind regard Ruan-sword is still offering these blades, even claiming they are made of tamahagane steel with a hard outer jacket and a softer inner core. Can anyone verify this? All these features plus hand folding and clay tempering sounds too good to be true. areyou satisfied with the one you purchased? |
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Post by Brett on Jul 1, 2015 13:20:58 GMT
is this the real deal i boaught it from ruan-180 its suppose to be a san mai and clay teperd blade from tamahagane sorry for all my bad Spelling
i would be glad if its clay temperd and is a real san mai lamination... if there is one who can give me a answer i will be thrilled
kind regard Ruan-sword is still offering these blades, even claiming they are made of tamahagane steel with a hard outer jacket and a softer inner core. Can anyone verify this? All these features plus hand folding and clay tempering sounds too good to be true. areyou satisfied with the one you purchased? Sorry for this post, all of your responses did not load until after I posted. |
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