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Post by sparky on May 5, 2010 23:42:58 GMT
I'll be interested in that review, that way I'll have a better idea of what it offers.
Before I started reading all of the many reviews here I knew the Katana was the best sword hands down. Would never have considered owning a Euro. sword. Now, my Euro's out number my Katanas.
just sayin'
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 0:17:10 GMT
Let's be perfectly clear from the start. I am unbiased toward this product from the get-go; I neither love, hate, approve, or disapprove of it. I am simply going to review it to see if it performs as advertised. It's a sub-$300 sword that has not been reviewed yet - and people out there browsing the forums when trying to make a decision to buy one of these need to know the truth about it, good or bad. This sword is not, nor would be my personal forte for a CCW weapon - I have a loving relationship with my Glock 19C for that. I do see a niche it could fill if it actually worked in the context in which it was designed; but that is yet to be determined by testing. I am going to look at a few key points in my testing: Does it function and perform as advertised? It is made from quality materials? Could it actually be effectively used as a concealed weapon? What kind of abuse would it stand up to? Is it worth the asking price in my opinion? Before I slam or sing praises about it, I'll review it. That is what I mean about paying a little respect to Curtis for allowing someone on the SBG to review his product knowing full on well it's going to get scrutinized very carefully by someone very familiar with both swords and practical usage of weapons in military and LEO applications. As for your own opinions, those are all fine by me. I am just going to actually test it before issue a solid opinion about it.
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Post by Dom T. on May 6, 2010 0:21:06 GMT
Bwahahah, this product reminds me of the false belief that jian are all bendy because people liked to wear them as belts or something. Gotta love wushu and all those misconceptions. It's like the whole 'blood groove' thing. Liam should know what I'm trying to talk about. After all, I read the belt thing in a post from him, I think. Hard to remember where I get info from.
I'm probably going to be in the same shoes as sparky in a year or two. Too many euros I want, even though Katana were the 'gateway' swords for me. Hahahah, like a gateway drug!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 0:23:07 GMT
I like the G35 myself, but we can agree to disagree...
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 1:15:31 GMT
Bwahahah, this product reminds me of the false belief that jian are all bendy because people liked to wear them as belts or something. Gotta love wushu and all those misconceptions. It's like the whole 'blood groove' thing. Liam should know what I'm trying to talk about. After all, I read the belt thing in a post from him, I think. Hard to remember where I get info from. I'm probably going to be in the same shoes as sparky in a year or two. Too many euros I want, even though Katana were the 'gateway' swords for me. Hahahah, like a gateway drug! It's a common misconception promoted by schools of Chinese martial arts to explain those floppy aluminum and spring steel things they use and try to call swords. The wiggling of the sword is supposed to show fajin (explosive release) of strength and Chi. However, some other schools of Chinese martial arts believe fajin is the result of being sung (relaxed completely) in movement and therefore cannot be trained. What you see with a wushu weapon is Ox-jin which relies on external strength and speed as opposed to true fajin which relies upon internal chi. Real swords were never worn as belts. Urumi, and chain whips now that's a different story. For reference this is an Urumi: They are a traditional weapon of India and commonly worn as belts by women who had to travel long distances unaccompanied. That would be my preference for CCDW use. However, all accounts say they are much more difficult to use than even my nine section chain whip. (Which can be carried quite comfortably in a back pocket.)
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Post by torawashi on May 6, 2010 4:04:16 GMT
no it shouldn't stop anyone from having an opinion and I don't think anyone wantss to stop people having opinions, but here's the thing: we are getting the chance to do a good detailed review on it, in which we should be able to see just how good it really is, BUT if this product is publicly derided and hated on so completely before then it could color the forum's opinion on it before it ever has a chance. all we are asking is that folks let the weapon speak for itself in review before we roll it off the deep end and watch it sink merrily away. personally I'm not impressed with this from what I've seen and I agree with a lot of what Mrfatbucket and others have said against it but I'm going to wait for Sarge to put it to the test before I file this one away. and the thing is, even if it no good for a soldier in close quarters combat that doesn't mean it wouldn't be good for me or you, or someone else with different needs, in short we will see; let us wait for the trial before we rig the gallows. bloodwraith: I don't see anywhere actually saying the lady is attractive, just distracting. I can certainly see how a guy (like me) could miss the fact that there was a sword there while busily trying to catch a glimpse of ill-concealed boobies, let's face it boobies are fun to look at. I may have to go back and watch the video again just to see if she is attractive or not. C'mon Tom; Do you really believe that? I wish the man well with his new product. Really do, entrepeneurship and all that etc. But to take it seriously as a back-up weapon for people to carry? Really?? Tom, this is Jim, Over..... Edit: I respect Odingaard's abilities and knowledge as an edged weapons reviewer....no question there. But I already know what I think about this product or anything remotely like it. I didn't just fall off a turnip truck from the backwoods. Jim
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on May 6, 2010 14:36:05 GMT
of course I believe it, otherwise I wouldn't have written it. I'm not saying it is good or bad or anything, I'm just saying I want to give it an honest chance and let it sink or swim on its own merits. if we weren't getting a review done (and done by just about the perfect guy) I would be all down for judging by what we know and can tell as is and that judgement would be less than complimentary but since we ARE getting a review and considering who is reviewing it, I am ready to give the weapon a fair shake. after all if we just write it off that kinda makes Sarge's review pointless.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 16:16:31 GMT
Odingaard: What would be really good is if you manage to create some for of combat scenario that tests the concept. Is there a safe way to do this? A blunt, round tipped version?
I suppose that the idea hinges on it being a surprising, quickly drawn blade, in the form of a belt. If anyone knows its there then it kills one of the most important aspects. How could we test this?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 17:22:30 GMT
of course I believe it, otherwise I wouldn't have written it. I'm not saying it is good or bad or anything, I'm just saying I want to give it an honest chance and let it sink or swim on its own merits. if we weren't getting a review done (and done by just about the perfect guy) I would be all down for judging by what we know and can tell as is and that judgement would be less than complimentary but since we ARE getting a review and considering who is reviewing it, I am ready to give the weapon a fair shake. after all if we just write it off that kinda makes Sarge's review pointless. I just wanna add...well, nothing. Exactly Tom.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 17:36:06 GMT
its like abehds y sword for your belft.
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Post by slav on May 6, 2010 18:12:30 GMT
Gotta be careful with the razor in the thong though!!! You know, that's not really that funny. Some of the hardened criminals put needles and razors in their underwear so when they are being searched... As far as the "seaxy" model... I don't know. She looks like she might not be a she... Haha! My thoughts exactly.... Why do they always have to get butterfaces to do these kinds of videos? Most of the "chicks shooting guns" type videos out there are also this way...
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Post by torawashi on May 6, 2010 22:33:45 GMT
of course I believe it, otherwise I wouldn't have written it. I'm not saying it is good or bad or anything, I'm just saying I want to give it an honest chance and let it sink or swim on its own merits. if we weren't getting a review done (and done by just about the perfect guy) I would be all down for judging by what we know and can tell as is and that judgement would be less than complimentary but since we ARE getting a review and considering who is reviewing it, I am ready to give the weapon a fair shake. after all if we just write it off that kinda makes Sarge's review pointless. Tom; with all possible respect for you and for Odingaard; the reason I belong to this site is to interact with other sword people. To discuss sword collecting and sword subjects, to learn and provide my knowledge and experience when appropriate. Also because the members here are friendly courteous people and are not "sword snobs". That's what attracted me to this forum in particular. This forum is a positive experience for those reasons. The object that is the subject of this thread is not a sword. It's a gadget. Period. I enjoy the interaction and reviews about Euro, Japanese, Chinese, Ancient swords, Other traditional weapons and the lighthearted and friendly banter between members. I am simply concerned for the forum when we wander into the realm of the ridiculous. Are we a serious sword forum? I am beginning to wonder. I would never presume to tell anyone what to review or what to like or dislike. I am simply stating my point of view with no intent of offense to anyone. I am a serious collector of swords. This object belongs in a novelty thread. I don't need a review to tell me that. No matter how well it might cut or stab.....how finely tempered, how good it may or may not be, it's still a gadget. CCW? are we serious about swords? CCW is firearms or perhaps a knife or dagger. I already belong to a firearms forum and we don't review firearms that shoot around corners. I care about this forum. It's the last stop for me on a long road of sword forum disappointments. But I have to be able to take it seriously. Are we a serious sword enthusiast forum or just another "Gee Whiz" gadget place? Jim
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 22:59:53 GMT
of course I believe it, otherwise I wouldn't have written it. I'm not saying it is good or bad or anything, I'm just saying I want to give it an honest chance and let it sink or swim on its own merits. if we weren't getting a review done (and done by just about the perfect guy) I would be all down for judging by what we know and can tell as is and that judgement would be less than complimentary but since we ARE getting a review and considering who is reviewing it, I am ready to give the weapon a fair shake. after all if we just write it off that kinda makes Sarge's review pointless. Tom; with all possible respect for you and for Odingaard; the reason I belong to this site is to interact with other sword people. To discuss sword collecting and sword subjects, to learn and provide my knowledge and experience when appropriate. Also because the members here are friendly courteous people and are not "sword snobs". That's what attracted me to this forum in particular. This forum is a positive experience for those reasons. The object that is the subject of this thread is not a sword. It's a gadget. Period. I enjoy the interaction and reviews about Euro, Japanese, Chinese, Ancient swords, Other traditional weapons and the lighthearted and friendly banter between members. I am simply concerned for the forum when we wander into the realm of the ridiculous. Are we a serious sword forum? I am beginning to wonder. I would never presume to tell anyone what to review or what to like or dislike. I am simply stating my point of view with no intent of offense to anyone. I am a serious collector of swords. This object belongs in a novelty thread. I don't need a review to tell me that. No matter how well it might cut or stab.....how finely tempered, how good it may or may not be, it's still a gadget. CCW? are we serious about swords? CCW is firearms or perhaps a knife or dagger. I already belong to a firearms forum and we don't review firearms that shoot around corners. I care about this forum. It's the last stop for me on a long road of sword forum disappointments. But I have to be able to take it seriously. Are we a serious sword enthusiast forum or just another "Gee Whiz" gadget place? Jim There is alot of stuff that has been reviewed here that I have not considered to be weaponry - from walking sticks to lower quality knives. It does not matter, if someone is apt to spend money on it, it should be reviewed so that they have a resource to draw upon. If you think that reviewing the belt sword system is a waste of time, or not done with professional intentions; think again. Right now someone out there is considering spending money on it. I think it's in the spirit of the SBG to offer a viewpoint on a product that is marketed and sold as a sword. If it is not a sword, then that case will be made in the educated review on why it should not be considered a sword or other type of weapon. No offense, but there is absolutely no reason to assume, denote, or think that this review will detract from the SBG as a whole. 50% of the threads here are unprofessional, misguided, duplicates of other threads, silly, or are completely pointless in nature. At least the resulting review from this thread will offer a tenative buyer rock-solid information.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2010 23:11:49 GMT
Gray Wolf, Not meaning to be disrespectful or anything, but if SBG is not serious enough for you, maybe you should check out My Armoury. www.myarmoury.com/home.htmlThey take their swords very seriously. That may be more to your liking. Here, we like to mix up the serious and the fun a bit. Also, if a review of this particular item bothers you so much you can always skip Odin's review.
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Post by torawashi on May 6, 2010 23:36:57 GMT
Odingaard and Chris; Thanks for your input. And Chris, thanks for your invitation to go elsewhere. I think that's good advice.
Jim
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 0:36:09 GMT
of course I believe it, otherwise I wouldn't have written it. I'm not saying it is good or bad or anything, I'm just saying I want to give it an honest chance and let it sink or swim on its own merits. if we weren't getting a review done (and done by just about the perfect guy) I would be all down for judging by what we know and can tell as is and that judgement would be less than complimentary but since we ARE getting a review and considering who is reviewing it, I am ready to give the weapon a fair shake. after all if we just write it off that kinda makes Sarge's review pointless. Tom; with all possible respect for you and for Odingaard; the reason I belong to this site is to interact with other sword people. To discuss sword collecting and sword subjects, to learn and provide my knowledge and experience when appropriate. Also because the members here are friendly courteous people and are not "sword snobs". That's what attracted me to this forum in particular. This forum is a positive experience for those reasons. The object that is the subject of this thread is not a sword. It's a gadget. Period. I enjoy the interaction and reviews about Euro, Japanese, Chinese, Ancient swords, Other traditional weapons and the lighthearted and friendly banter between members. I am simply concerned for the forum when we wander into the realm of the ridiculous. Are we a serious sword forum? I am beginning to wonder. I would never presume to tell anyone what to review or what to like or dislike. I am simply stating my point of view with no intent of offense to anyone. I am a serious collector of swords. This object belongs in a novelty thread. I don't need a review to tell me that. No matter how well it might cut or stab.....how finely tempered, how good it may or may not be, it's still a gadget. CCW? are we serious about swords? CCW is firearms or perhaps a knife or dagger. I already belong to a firearms forum and we don't review firearms that shoot around corners. I care about this forum. It's the last stop for me on a long road of sword forum disappointments. But I have to be able to take it seriously. Are we a serious sword enthusiast forum or just another "Gee Whiz" gadget place? Jim Seems you have not stayed up with the times. There is a weapon system for shooting around corners, and it is a very serious thing. I point this out because you are narrowly defining what is and isn't serious. Using your opinion of what should and shouldn't be seriously discussed and given attention. Odingaard has the right approach I think. He is letting the blade speak for itself. I have posted here my observations that one could probably make something like this on their own. In fact I posted a video of someone who did make a sword belt with a band saw blade! The site for this blade says it is not just a blade but a weapon system, that it is about the combo of the containment clips and the blade. To completely judge something with out ever handling it, trying it, testing it out for functionality and manufactures claims seems rather closed minded. This is a modern world with many new ideas and developments. Things do not need to stay exactly the same as they were back in 300 AD. In fact if they had we wouldn't ever have gotten the katana. So weather this product holds up to Odingaard's review testing or not, we should give it a chance to try without too much prejudging. Especially judging the forum for giving something the chance to prove itself. Your narrow definition of sword is your personal one don't try to make others live up to your definition if it isn't the standard dictionary one. from Merriam-Webster. sword Pronunciation: \ˈsȯrd\ Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: Middle English, from Old English sweord; akin to Old High German swert sword Date: before 12th century 1 : a weapon (as a cutlass or rapier) with a long blade for cutting or thrusting that is often used as a symbol of honor or authority 2 a : an agency or instrument of destruction or combat b : the use of force <the pen is mightier than the sword — E. G. Bulwer-Lytton> 3 : coercive power 4 : something that resembles a sword — sword·like \-ˌlīk\ adjective — at swords' points : mutually antagonistic : ready to fight
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 4:02:16 GMT
I am sorry that Grey Wolf felt so strongly about the Belt Sword issue to delete his account over it. His opinions and input will be missed. Perhaps he will understand that the intentions of reviewing this product are for the uninformed sword buyer's benefit and return to us soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 4:47:18 GMT
I am sorry that Grey Wolf felt so strongly about the Belt Sword issue to delete his account over it. His opinions and input will be missed. Perhaps he will understand that the intentions of reviewing this product are for the uninformed sword buyer's benefit and return to us soon. WOW, with all the SLOs, and other things discussed on this forum it is hard to believe someone would get upset over this Belt Sword. Sure I am sceptical of how good the thing is. Sure I think the claims of cutting better than a samuri sword or machete are BS marketing. That in no way would make me cancel my account with SBG Forum. I will patiently wait and here what a neutral party, Odingaard, has to say about it when he reviews it. Now the whole Classified price thread issue I could see becoming a reason for some to cancel their account, and I give mad props for those that take a deep breath and wait for the issue to calm down. Also for those who realize this is not a common issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 6:48:56 GMT
If the essential purpose of a sword is to give you a longer reach by which kill someone by stabbing or cutting then I don't understand the vehemence exhibited against the very idea of something like this. The historical purpose of a sword was to KILL, not to hang on a wall. It is a total dismissal of the historical purpose of why people even used swords to imply that a weapon form should not evolve as technology and the battle field change over time. If people in the middle ages had the ability to make weapons out of cohesive light, you can be damned sure there would be tapestries with knights wielding lightsabres... As for the suspenders comment from a few pages ago. If you're wearing suspenders I don't think you really need to be worrying over whether or not a belt sword would make you look silly.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 8:20:22 GMT
Ineffableone: I get you point about the idea about ever evolving designs. Evolution (design/technology) at its core relies on the idea or construct to be better than its competition for its purpose. It is very easy to look at any design and de-construct its merits and flaws.
I dont need to give this product a chance to know its a bad concept. In the same way as if I stuck knives through a rubber ball and called it a "Randomised-Attack-Multi-Bounce-Offensive" system. "That's right! The "R.A.M.B.O." can bounce around a room silently, causing mass hysteria, confusing opponents and possibly cutting someone moderately."
Is this idea on par with that. No, but almost instantly you know why it wont. It has all the hallmarks, the traits, of a bad concept. Could it work, possibly. Why rely on possibly? A bad concept, no matter how perfectly executed, will never work.
Its not closed minded to use ones knowledge and the collective knowledge of others to make an informed decision.
Odingaard: I'm sorry someone felt the need to leave. I don't think that it was a single instance that made him do it. I know you mentioned that there is a lot detritus in the form of post content...etc on the forum. It can be distracting but it also gives the forum sort of personality. I like it. The problem with being such an open forum (and this applies to ALL internet forums of this kind) is that decent or going against the grain seems to be met with an almost feverish reaction. It gets to be that certain entrenched users dictate and are more than willing to white knight each other when it favours their standpoint.
Places like SFI are great but I know the majority of us dont act, say half the semprini we do or conduct ourself in the same way there as here. Is that a bad thing. No, not at all. I don't think there is or has been another "sword forum" with an as open population as here. I've never seen a question go unanswered for any length of time and the customisation/makers section here is indispensable.
I'm not entirely sure how to wrap this up but I think I'll end it on this. We all have times where we rub each other the wrong way. We agree in one thread and not in another. It happens constantly. I have personally, I'm sure many others have too, wanted to just quit certain forums. But if people just quit then it gives others exactly what they want. No one should feel pushed out or have to quit because of a different stand point on a subject. If everyone agreed this place would become boring and generic. (I'm not saying we should all be constantly throwing semprini at each other.) If someone does feel the need to leave then they are certainly welcome back.
Sorry about the ranting. I've been up late watching the election results. X X X
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