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Post by Avery on Feb 5, 2010 22:01:14 GMT
Oil?......I figured that was liquid katana oozing from his pores. My mistake. hahahahaha ok, i laughed out loud and made people look at me... hahaha that's awesome. +1 Thanks akos. I get a good one in every now and then. I wonder if Bren wakes up in the morning and has sweated out a Katana in his sleep...Some how I doubt the puddle on his sheets is pure liquid katana though, to my knowledge liquid steel doesn't look or smell like urine. But I could be wrong, it's happened before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 14:08:04 GMT
hahahahaha ok, i laughed out loud and made people look at me... hahaha that's awesome. +1 Thanks akos. I get a good one in every now and then. I wonder if Bren wakes up in the morning and has sweated out a Katana in his sleep...Some how I doubt the puddle on his sheets is pure liquid katana though, to my knowledge liquid steel doesn't look or smell like urine. But I could be wrong, it's happened before. oooooooo...LOL... mighta been something else with the bloody wanker thinking about his katana. rub rub rub yyyyaaaaaatttch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 3:43:11 GMT
No thats not excess glue around the cheap saya ??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 3:56:48 GMT
No thats not excess glue around the cheap saya ?? well... that's included too...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 4:14:51 GMT
If Sensei Obata is the same guy I'm thinking of, I've seen LOTS of videos on Youtube demonstrating his skills. Suffice it to say, I wanna be just like him when I grow up. Now that we've got a crash course in Fiore longsword going, I was wondering if there is anything similar demonstrating the bare bones techniques (drawing, grip, stance, a few cuts) for Japanese blades. I'd be most interested in learning more so I can take my old Cheness blade off the mantle and defeat some bottles with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 14:38:06 GMT
I think there's a JSA e-book available on the SBG main site. That might work for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 18:30:54 GMT
Ah, thanks very much. Look out, bottles!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 23:34:27 GMT
Welcome
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 18:53:43 GMT
I know I'm reviving a several-month-old thread here, but I just found this little gem on Youtube.
Anyone want to guess why Gunny's supposedly thrusting-oriented "longsword" flexes so much in the thrust?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 19:08:52 GMT
Urgh. Honestly (no offence Matt) but I HATE this debate! Both weapons did what they were supposed to do in their respective cultures. The fact that the longsword used was probably a windlass doesn't help AT ALL, and if they wanted a "Can opener", they should have picked a XVIa or an Estock, not a civilian combat longsword. And besides, against heavy armored opponents, neither the knight or the samurai was stupid enough to waste good steel on full armor when perfectly effective spears/yaris and maces/tetsubos were around. God, another case of the stupids by the history channel.... Okay, I'm off my soap-box. And I'm lying again. What the HELL were they thinking and where did they get their info?!?!?!? Katana with a 36 in blade? NO! 28" is pushing long for a Katana. And longswords with "usually around 4 foot blades?" FALSE!!!!! Try between 36 and 40 for a proper longsword, with 48" being reserved for the extreme outliers of the Landschnect Zweihanders....
Okay, NOW I'm off my soap-box.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on May 2, 2010 19:25:14 GMT
that was a really cool video. yes the katana wil out cut a thrusting type longsword, I'm not surprised by that at all. I mean what was that a type XVa or XVIIIa? looks to me like it might be a XVa. I also want to know who makes the swords and how they are sharpened because that makes a huge difference. the thing that really gets me here is this longsword wasn't even used correctly. for the thrust he should have half-sworded. I mean reducing the flex that happens to such a ong blade was the whole idea of half-swording was it not? that's how it increases th power I have always thought. also, I seriously doubt either of the thrusts delivered would have done any real damage to the man beneath. yes the katana went in further BUT after you consider gambeson under there the man inside only got like maybe an inch if katana point and probably none of the longsword point. but that's not how a longsword was used to my understanding. you did NOT pierce the armor, you found the gaps and stuck your point in them. the longsword point would be better at finding those gaps for sure. that particular longsword is not going to match a katana in cutting no matter what I'd think.
I still say neither sword is better but they are better at certain things. there's a reason the whole world didn't use katana only all the time and it isn't because they didn't know how to make one.
he still made several good points especially about not going to war on blocks of ice. I liked that clip it got closer to a fair comparison than I have seen yet but not quite there yet.
EDIT: yes their measurements were comical I would like to know where they got that especially since the swords they had there were neither one as long as they said. it's like they used over-all measurement and said "blade" instead. weird.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 19:30:19 GMT
Urgh. Honestly (no offence Matt) but I HATE this debate! Perfectly understandable, and I didn't mean to spark any kind of debate (especially because I believe that most people on the SBG forums are well-informed and reasonable enough not to believe in the arbitrary "superiority" of any specific type of sword), I just thought that the video might be fun for us actual sword enthusiasts to laugh at and further reinforce our ideas that you should take anything you see on TV about historical arms & armour with a very large grain of salt.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 19:32:07 GMT
Very true! thanks for sharing, and it did actually bring up some interesting points for thought, ie. Tom's post.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 19:39:01 GMT
Urgh. Honestly (no offence Matt) but I HATE this debate! Perfectly understandable, and I didn't mean to spark any kind of debate (especially because I believe that most people on the SBG forums are well-informed and reasonable enough not to believe in the arbitrary "superiority" of any specific type of sword), I just thought that the video might be fun for us actual sword enthusiasts to laugh at and further reinforce our ideas that you should take anything you see on TV about historical arms & armour with a very large grain of salt. You'd think that.... Unfortunately, there are people who actually take things on shows like the deadliest warriors seriously. We usually set em straight or chase them off...but these people do exsist.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 23:30:44 GMT
Criss B can we see that link to the Samuri V Knight agains please!! .............SanMarc.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 23:42:29 GMT
that was a really cool video........ he still made several good points..... Meh. That video was closer to fair than most, but I'm still not a fan of folks bring up this tired old debate (though I do believe this latest update was done in jest). Here's the example video I go to when people start blabbing about samurai sword vs. knight sword: If you really want an "all else equal" comparison, you need a longsword made by an expert that's been expertly sharpened, which is tougher to get than a well-made katana. Even better, you should have the two swords made by the same smith. Case in point: Stefan Roth. There you go.
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Post by Avery on May 3, 2010 0:19:33 GMT
Luna, I never get tired of seeing that video!
As for the ongoing debate, well I doubt that it'll ever die. Thing is, we get new members at a crazy rate; and this is bound to come up again and again. But for me, I think part of being a member here is a responsibility to dispel these myths in a fun/cool way. Kinda like this thread.
It was fun to read when it started nd still fun now.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2010 0:22:07 GMT
But for me, I think part of being a member here is a responsibility to dispel these myths in a fun/cool way. Kinda like this thread. Great point, Avery. +1. You're right.
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Post by shadowhowler on May 3, 2010 0:25:41 GMT
Guess that vid would be more interesting if I spoke the languge... do you speak it Lunaman?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2010 0:32:13 GMT
Guess that vid would be more interesting if I spoke the languge... do you speak it Lunaman? Not really, just a bit here and there, but a lot of German I don't know is close enough to English to work out the gist. It's sort of a German "History Channel" type show where they are making a comparison between the katana and longsword; most of what's being said in the voice-over is just really general stuff about the swords. I do really wish I knew the language better for some of Stefan Roth's comments though--- the guy's a master swordmaker. Of course, the real cool bits in that video are later on and don't need the words to be AWESOME when they do cutting comparisons and then a destructive test. The merits of a type XVIII blade geometry and a through-hardened heat treat that produces a spring temper are really put on display 'round the 6 minute mark to the 7 minute mark.
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