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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 9:50:26 GMT
While Bren Foster apparently has NO idea what to do with a sword you have to admit that he's one of the best taekwondo fighters... so that we can respect... problem is with shows like this he really makes fun of himself. Btw, that japanese guy is one of the best japanese sword art practitioners in the world?? Seriously? I've seen better cuts on tatami on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 9:53:14 GMT
That oiled up guy did funny things to the hormones of my lady friends.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 10:14:19 GMT
not liquid katana either, it is liquid awesome, it gives you +D6 to your roll for awesome. LOL ;D ;D ;D +1 for the funny stuff
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 10:29:49 GMT
That oiled up guy did funny things to the hormones of my lady friends. M. Was it the rippling abs or the YATTTCHH?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 14:42:08 GMT
That oiled up guy did funny things to the hormones of my lady friends. M. Was it the rippling abs or the YATTTCHH?! Well, I know I don't have thos abs (yet....) so until then, it's YAAAATCH and flipping swords around for me!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 14:44:06 GMT
I believe there have been several threads featuring the video in the op already.
I seem to remember the majority of folks here agreeing that Bren Foster's demonstration of the Japanese sword was an embarrassment to Japanese sword enthusiasts & practitioners in the JSA. Shows like that, which try to pass themselves off as semi-"educational" are a big part of the problem when it comes to how others perceive the katana.
So, i don't really think there is anyone here who really took that video seriously. That being said, is there really a need for this quasi katana bashing lately? Just because some idiot picks up a sword and does something stupid with it?
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 31, 2010 15:58:05 GMT
Quasi katana bashing? All I'm seeing here is Bren Foster bashing. Though there is a much smaller trend of over-normalizing, to the point of almost degrading, the katana lately. It's one thing to say that it is merely a sword, like any other sword, but it seems there are a few here of late who do express their disfavor a bit on the strong side. Luckily we sensible people outnumber them. Unfortunately...on the reverse side...the people who saw this program and thought "wow that guy is awesome I want to be like him" outnumber ALL OF US.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 16:30:40 GMT
Please don't misunderstand my intent in starting this thread. It was a tongue in cheek slap at the katana bashing I've seen on previous threads. I firmly believe that the katana, in trained hands, is a truely fearsome weapon. I say this without degrading other weapons as there are plenty of different schools of weapons art. My guns are ruger, but my swords are katanas
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 18:26:33 GMT
Though there is a much smaller trend of over-normalizing, to the point of almost degrading, the katana lately. It's one thing to say that it is merely a sword, like any other sword, but it seems there are a few here of late who do express their disfavor a bit on the strong side. Thanks, random, that is what i was referring to. I hadn't had my coffee yet & couldn't find the words to properly describe it - Thus "quasi", (have some resemblance) to katana bashing. It is a sword just like any other, and i think the majority of people here feel the same way. If there is a reverence for the Japanese sword it is because its special to the individual who chooses to wield, collect, study, or admire them. It seems like we have a thread about every 2 months or so (sometimes sooner) along the lines of "katana are overrated" - "katana are not magical" ect., ect.. Yes, to describe it in the simplest of ways, the katana is a hunk of steel with an edge on it. The same way a beautiful sculpture is just a slab of stone, the same way an intricately carved piece of furniture is just a block of wood. Things only have meaning to those who give them meaning, and when something is meaningful to you it kinda gets annoying to hear "that's just a sharpened piece of steel ya know". Its not wrong to say so,... but is it constantly necessary?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 18:29:02 GMT
Please don't misunderstand my intent in starting this thread. It was a tongue in cheek slap at the katana bashing I've seen on previous threads. Not at all,... my comments were not so much directed at you or anyone in this thread, i was simply commenting on the types of comments & the frequency of them lately. No worries
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 18:42:05 GMT
Yes James, you have to remind people all the time now days, its called "short term memory loss"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 18:53:15 GMT
i dont think it would be honorable victory to spar and win against this dude. all it would be saying is we are good at what we do... it would not say we are better than him. he would have to achieve a better level of actual swordsmanship to be found worthy. i saw a kid on you tube flipping around a kat. looks flashy and cool to the untrained. the problem with this is... i blabe teachers teaching forms only with no apps. all that does is show the student that there is no real danger???!!! with apps instruction a student would better realize the blade itself and have more respect for it before one day having his own blade teach his ownself how to respect it through a bad accident. well, honorable in the sense that it would be proper to rid the world from such a disgrace... as to the current comments from James, if I came out as bashing the katana, that was not my intent... as I have said before, katana is a sword, as many others, it has its strengths and its weaknesses, as all swords do. It's not my weapon of choice, but that does not make it superior or inferior to my eyes...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 19:28:36 GMT
man, i bash katanas all the time.
you certainly can't call the way i swing 'em cutting.
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Post by sparky on Jan 31, 2010 20:14:41 GMT
man, i bash katanas all the time. you certainly can't call the way i swing 'em cutting. This made me laugh out loud! ;D +1 2 U On topic a year and a half ago I'd have thought this guy and his moves were cool. Hey I didn't know any better. I still love the Katana but............. SBG has opened my eyes to all different kinds of swords! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 15:44:03 GMT
Yes James, you have to remind people all the time now days, its called "short term memory loss" perhaps we lose track of how many posts on this topic because of that... or perhaps us older guys are getting too near the age of dementia... what were we talking about again?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 16:24:04 GMT
Quasi katana bashing? All I'm seeing here is Bren Foster bashing. Though there is a much smaller trend of over-normalizing, to the point of almost degrading, the katana lately. It's one thing to say that it is merely a sword, like any other sword, but it seems there are a few here of late who do express their disfavor a bit on the strong side. Seriously, regardless if they are playing it up or down, what annoys me is when people talk about "the katana" as if they all posses the same properties by virtue of their design. Sure, they're designed for a specific type of use, but so is every other sword ever made. Fact is, a "katana" can be anything from a machine-milled Chinese-made budget sword that you can pick up for a hundred bucks, to an expertly hand-crafted piece of art worth thousands of dollars. Same goes for European swords, or Chinese, or whatever. It's not the type of sword that matters, it's the level of craftmanship put into it. It makes no sense at all to glorify or condemn any sword based on its type.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 18:29:14 GMT
If you YATCCCH hard enough the sonic vibrations harmonise with the crystalline structure within steel and make it a lightsabre. Also it is scientifically proven that YATCCH'ing gives you perfect edge alignment. So just remember next time you cut don't forget to YATCCCH! A good YATCCCH can reverse the ageing process and give you rock hard abs and sweat awesomeness from every pore. Side effects include a lack of breath and a tendency to do stupid things with a katana.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 1, 2010 19:46:15 GMT
Quasi katana bashing? All I'm seeing here is Bren Foster bashing. Though there is a much smaller trend of over-normalizing, to the point of almost degrading, the katana lately. It's one thing to say that it is merely a sword, like any other sword, but it seems there are a few here of late who do express their disfavor a bit on the strong side. Seriously, regardless if they are playing it up or down, what annoys me is when people talk about "the katana" as if they all posses the same properties by virtue of their design. Sure, they're designed for a specific type of use, but so is every other sword ever made. Funny part here is, the design is what lends the properties. If it's made the same, it'll act the same. Granted, what you mean is no Musashi will ever be a true, high-quality Japanese sword...but they'll cut mats and such just the same. This is true; very much so. Well, not so much craftsmanship, either. No matter how well a sword, any sword, is made...it's still just a sword. It has all the same pros and cons to its design if it's a $10,000 antique or a cheap Chinese repro. No matter the design, it will still be limited to what it was designed for. There will always be swords that stab better than other swords, there will always be swords more dedicated to the cut than those stabby swords; there will even be swords that achieve a medium but excel at neither. The problem here is that the uninitiated are easily lead to believe that "the katana" is "the ultimate" sword because some guy with a stuffy British accent said so. Fact is, the katana IS a great compromise of most swordly functions, and a proper, traditional katana is undeniably a fine thing to look upon, whether you're "into that" or not. Likewise a proper Viking-era piece with its pattern welding and intricate ornamentation, not to mention those snazzy rapiers that came about later on. Just don't expect your fancy-pants rapier to cut as well as the Viking piece which may not thrust as well as the rapier. There are a lot of things that lead to the misunderstanding of the katana, the biggest being its curved, differentially-hardened, even folded blade. After all...curved blades are "the best" at cutting, right? ...No, not really. But...but that harder edge, that gets super sharp, right? ...Well, yeah, I guess. So it can cut through ANYTHING, right!? ...uh...no, hard steel is fragile stuff, it'll chip badly, maybe break, even. But...the steel is FOLDED, so it's SUPER TOUGH! ...No; just no. MOST of US know all this, but so many are to eager to believe the myth, likewise too many are too eager to "dispel" the myths, and in doing get a little carried away in denouncing the thing as a whole. It's like cookies. I like soft, buttery cookies with huge chunks of dark chocolate. You won't see me turning down an offer of oatmeal-raisin, though, even if they are a bit hard. Too many would rather say "No way, plain sugar cookies are THE BEST." Many more would say "Bah, chocolate chip cookies aren't all that great; heck, they kinda suck." This is the sword world, too. That said, excuse me while I oil my abs. ...okay my ab. That's right; he might think his six-pack is sexy, but I've got a KEG.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Feb 1, 2010 20:41:25 GMT
It's like cookies. I like soft, buttery cookies with huge chunks of dark chocolate. You son of a b@$% Random. It's too cold and too far for me to go to the store right now and because of you I want cookies. P.S. well said on the rest of it.
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Post by randomnobody on Feb 1, 2010 20:47:47 GMT
Couldn't you tell how desperately I was fighting my own cookie cravings? Thar be ice on them thar roads.
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