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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 1:55:14 GMT
I love my wife and son Hey why cant they make those cool "Concussion Blast" guns like in Minority Report with Tom Cruise (shudder), when he gets in the car manufacturing plant and it just sends a huge non-lethal blast that blow the guys off their feet. That would be awesome. I think developers of the world need to start working on some really big time non-lethal arms that you could bring to a gun fight. Like wireless tazers, nausea guns or those shotgun rounds from HEROES Season 3 which are fin stablised and shock the crop outta you. Those in a short pump would make short work of someone . Long enough to tie them up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 3:37:48 GMT
The shotgun rounds from Heroes are avaible now from Traser, only to law enforcement. No blinking lights on the real ones
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 4:08:30 GMT
I'd feel more comfortable defending myself with a screwdriver than I would with a gun.
Speaking of non-lethals, military grade pepperballs fired from specially designed paintball guns or the new electroshock unit from future weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 6:23:29 GMT
release the hounds
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 7:31:01 GMT
Who ever said they BOUGHT their guns? Ideally, I'd run a series of maneuvers ideally resulting in the would-be thief's apprehension. Some or all of the above may be included. Most likely, I'd wonder what the dog was on about. Ha! Ha! Oh man that creased me up!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 19:56:28 GMT
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Since it's only myself and the wifey isolated on the top floor, I would most likely lock the bedroom door and yell loudly that the police were on their way. Then, I would sit on the bed with my 12 ga until the police arrive and clear the house. If the thug were to run off with my TV or something before the authorities showed up, I'd count myself lucky that no one was hurt and file an insurance claim to replace anything that was lost. If the housebreaking hooligan were to breach that last barrier and try to kick down my bedroom door, I would blow him away without hesitation.
Chances of any of this actually happening? Approaching zero. =) Still, always good to have a plan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 21:20:33 GMT
It's why I'd back an unarmed street thug against Joe Citizen with a baseball bat 9 times out of 10. Because Joe Citizen doesn't really want to crack someone's skull open. The big question in that scenario, at least in the USA, is: "Who really IS Joe Citizen?" He could be ANYONE. With ANY background and ANY skillset.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 21:39:26 GMT
Right on @ Taran
He could just as easily be ex-military, Fed or even off-duty cop (and is there really such a thing? Once military, always military I always say) as he could be the town librarian.
I'd back the guy with the bat; especially if he's protecting hearth and home...don't let the news skew your outlook- you're more apt to see someone defending his home than hiding under his bed praying for help to arrive. Not always to the good (see Sean Taylor), but he really had no alternative- I fear his wife and kid would've been shot too had he not done what he did.
LOL @ jayferron
In Haymarket? I believe you...that's about as safe as you can find in the DC Metro area...even if it is a little outside of said area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2009 22:44:07 GMT
Yes, he could. But almost always he's going to be your average working schlub with no training or prior experince of violence, with no desire to have either and who hasn't mentally prepared himself for such an altercation. Because if you take a random sample of, say, 1000 people, there's only going to be a handful of people who fall into the 'military, law enforcement, etc.' category. We're talking about the average citizen here.
It's not about whether someone is hiding or whether they're out there with a weapon. It's about the mental attitude of the person with that weapon, particularly when it comes to fear (or the lack thereof) and intent/willingness to kill or maim.
Incidentally, I'm not basing my outlook on the news (which I agree is never a good idea, as they are generally about ratings over accuracy). It's based on a mixture of training, personal observation and experience (misspent youth) and a background in psychology.
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Post by sparky on Nov 2, 2009 22:53:50 GMT
Yes, he could. But almost always he's going to be your average working schlub with no training or prior experince of violence, with no desire to have either and who hasn't mentally prepared himself for such an altercation. Because if you take a random sample of, say, 1000 people, there's only going to be a handful of people who fall into the 'military, law enforcement, etc.' category. We're talking about the average citizen here. It's not about whether someone is hiding or whether they're out there with a weapon. It's about the mental attitude of the person with that weapon, particularly when it comes to fear (or the lack thereof) and intent/willingness to kill or maim. Incidentally, I'm not basing my outlook on the news (which I agree is never a good idea, as they are generally about ratings over accuracy). It's based on a mixture of training, personal observation and experience (misspent youth) and a background in psychology. I think I agree with what you say. I take it as someone without a "plan" will lose. That many people will pick up the bat to try and bluff their way through, never intending to actually use it. Gotta love that old misspent youth. I don't miss mine! Am I close?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 5:07:18 GMT
Right on @ Taran He could just as easily be ex-military, Fed or even off-duty cop (and is there really such a thing? Once military, always military I always say) as he could be the town librarian. Or, former military who now works as the town librarian. Or, as in my area, a union guy. Or a farmer. Or a hunter. Or, in the City, you have your gang bangers, both current and former, and the people who have survived next to the gang bangers. No, the plain story is that once you step out of the suburbs, you really don't want to go messing around with the average Joe Citizen. In the suburbs, it's a whole other story. Incidentally, I'm not basing my outlook on the news (which I agree is never a good idea, as they are generally about ratings over accuracy). I used to say that too, till I looked at their ratings and their profit projections and how many "news" organizations are filing for bankruptcy...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 6:33:02 GMT
I am happy to see some here speaking about having a plan. I agree with you completely, however, just having a plan is not going to cut it. These plans have to be practiced regularly to ensure it becomes second nature in case an actual emergency arises. It is so easy for people to say "I would do so and so" when in actuality these same people are found curled up in the fetal position having wet themselves after an incident. Saying it in your head and typing it here really means nothing.
Any operation as precise as an emergency plan MUST be practiced, everything else is hollywood
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 15:21:30 GMT
Ebon: Haymarket is nice, yes. 'Specially since we're not in one of the HOA areas, but up in "the hills". Very little crime here, as everyone is assumed to be armed to the teeth - which we mostly are. That having been said, even if someone were in my home, I would be reluctant to shoot them. I mean, I just finished painting the family room! WOULD a rug doctor be able to get bits of brain and lung out of my Persian carpet? Probably not. Seriously though, I'd never pop a cap in someone over a TV or an XBox. Those are just things. If for a second I thought someone in my family was in danger, that'd be a different story, Persian carpet be damned. As far as "practicing" goes...how do you practice for an event like this? You can't. It's a state of mind - you're either there or you're not. And you can't necessarily tell simply by looking at the individual. Note to thugs: Never underestimate a 110-pound young mother defending her nest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 16:51:39 GMT
If for a second I thought someone in my family was in danger, that'd be a different story... Some may argue that the mere fact that someone has broken into your house puts your family at risk by default. ...how do you practice for an event like this? You can't. It's a state of mind - you're either there or you're not. I disagree completely, if you allow it to simply be a state of mind you have already lost. Martial Arts relies strongly on a "state of mind" however, this in only half the training. Dealing with this kind of situation can ABSOLUTELY be practiced with regard to REACTION. Everyone in the house needs to know what to do in the case of an emergency. Things like where to hide and how to get there safely. When I was a kid, my place was under the bed. Sure, my father could have just said "now if anything happens just hide under the bed" and maybe it would have worked in a time of panic...but maybe not. So, what did he do? he made a fun ritual out of it. Every month or two he an I would practice drills. These included getting out of bed quickly and quietly without bumping into or knocking anything over. We also practiced getting myself out the window in case of fire. Since I was a kid I had to have a stool since our windows were high. This stool was always in the same place and he made sure I could find it with my eyes closed. He would run these drills at different times of the day, sometimes it would be first thing in the morning when I was half asleep since it would be the same in the middle of the night. Doing things half asleep is different than being awake and aware, especially when you are a little kid with eye boogers. Now dont get me wrong, when I say drill some of you are thinking he would run in the room banging a wooden spoon in a pot making a bunch of racquet.....no, not even close. My dad would simply come to my room and say "son, time for plan A" or "time for plan B". He made sure the drill wasn't about panic or adrenaline. It was about remaining calm and doing everything carefully but quickly. Now, if there had ever been an incident would it have gone exactly like the drill....probably not, BUT, at least the motions would have prepared me far better than if it had only been instructed and not practiced. Say what you will about this type of thing but know this, panic can be just as dangerous as an intruder. Panic mixed with adrenaline can be a BAD mix and unless you know how to manage these things a "state of mind" will do nothing but get you killed. Some here may think such drills are going overboard, and while I disagree, I can say at the very least it is a great way to bond with your kid(s) especially since they only take about 15 minutes. I personally believe 15 minutes every month or two is a small gesture to make sure your kids are better prepared for the unexpected. Sadly, too many parents rely on TV to teach their kids these things among other things, which is one of the reasons why we have so many kids grow up to be train wrecks. just my .02
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 17:27:30 GMT
I think each man must do as he deems best for the safety of his family and his home; what works for one might work for many others, but I doubt it'd work for all. You hope it never happens to you, but at least be somewhat prepared for the uncommon eventuality.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 19:04:06 GMT
Yep, agreed. In my case though, as I said, it's just me and my wife. They'd have to literally come through me to get to her. Actually, come to think of it, they stand a better chance of walking away from me than her. ;D
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Post by sparky on Nov 3, 2009 20:29:35 GMT
Marabunta, you said it better than me! My two oldest boys sleep in the lower level of a split foyer house. This means they are farther away than I like, so I created a hidey hole/play area for them. It is not self evident that there could even be anything there so that's where they go. heck they usually want to sleep in there and not their beds anyway! We also practice fire drills, how to dial 911 and give clear information, and much more. Probably come from having been a Boy Scout! But anyway the kids have fun with this, and when the time comes if it's ever needed they will probably do well, even if the games... I mean plan is not followed exactly. Jayferron - Your wife sounds like some of our wives. ;D
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