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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 20:49:45 GMT
What kind of idiot would try beat up a guy holding a shovel? ;D This^
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 21:12:59 GMT
This post has got me thinking about home security and the imposing laws that could get me arrested.
So on the advice of a friend I'm gonna invest in one of those VapourX 10,000w XZF Disintergration Carbine. Apparently every centre-mass shot renders the target atomically inert and a pile of dust on the floor ...........
Thats great dont even need to call the cops ........ hhhhmmmm might need a bigger vac though
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Post by sparky on Oct 28, 2009 22:45:18 GMT
Bad luck for the bad guy in my house. ;D I tell people all of the time- "you can piss me off all day long, but you really don't want to piss off my wife." She is one tough cookie, and has the knife scars to prove it. Are she and my wife related? The going joke, I'll just kill you straight out. My wife would torture first then you kill you and then bring you back from the dead to torture and kill again ad nauseum. Really, my wife is the one you don't want to piss-off, she's way meaner than i could ever aspire to be. LOL! Gotta love our wives, it's not safe to sleep otherwise. The ladies me thinks are way tougher than the gents. Heck my wife has given birth 5 times. Most guys I know would quit after the first. I know I would that birthing stuff looks hard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 22:57:19 GMT
Are she and my wife related? The going joke, I'll just kill you straight out. My wife would torture first then you kill you and then bring you back from the dead to torture and kill again ad nauseum. Really, my wife is the one you don't want to piss-off, she's way meaner than i could ever aspire to be. LOL! Gotta love our wives, it's not safe to sleep otherwise. The ladies me thinks are way tougher than the gents. Heck my wife has given birth 5 times. Most guys I know would quit after the first. I know I would that birthing stuff looks hard. I witnessed the birth on my son and thanked the powers that be that men don't have to endure that process. 5 kids, kudos sir, you must have the patience of a saint. I get run ragged by my one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 0:07:46 GMT
I can't believe so many people would rather grab a sword than a gun. I've had to defend my home on more than one occasion and I've always gone for a gun. I don't have the luxury of hiding in my bedroom - my kids all sleep in different rooms and the master bedroom is the furthest from all accessible points of entry in my home than the kids' rooms. That means I MUST go investigate and put myself between the potential threat and my family.
Now I'm going to be pretty blunt after this - no mincing words. If I offend you its not because I'm intending to do that. My intent is to dispel some of the fantasies some people might have.
Seriously though I wonder if most of those who would prefer a sword over a gun have considered that in a situation like a home invasion or burglary the intruder(s) will almost always be armed. Maybe they'll have a crowbar or a bat, maybe a knife or perhaps a gun. Most likely they won't have a sword but well there's an ever so slight chance of that too. Realistically I don't want the odds to be that I'll be bringing a sword or bat to a gunfight. You can theorize all you want about lying in wait to get the jump on a guy from behind a doorway (illegal by the way as that's no longer self defense but rather premeditated assault with intent to injure or kill) to how quickly you can close distances etc. is a lot of fantasy. No offense but it really is. What sort of combat training with a sword do you have that will allow you to close distances, over obstacles and in the dark, with a sword before someone can shoot you? As for waiting behind doorways - again, no offense but - don't be stupid. You've just made yourself a criminal too then and in some states you'll be charged with attempted homicide... or if you succeed in killing the intruder homicide. In most states you'll at least be charged assault with a deadly weapon etc.
I know from my own experience that at a point like that my heart is pounding so heard I can almost hear it echo from down the hallway and the adrenalin is rushing so heavily through me that I'm on pins and needles... not with anticipation of combat or killing etc but from outright fear. Fear for my life, fear for the lives of those who live in my home with me and yes fear for the life of whoever it is that has chosen to intrude upon our lives. Will I survive this encounter? What will my family do if I don't? How will this affect my kids? What about the bad guy? What about their family? If I don't protect my family what could happen? What if I fail? The questions all ran through my mind and I'm sure would do so again. Thankfully I have never had to actually shoot anyone but I've come damned close to it. My finger's trembled as it came to rest on the trigger - the thought that I'm actually going to squeeze at least one off toward another living cognizant being. I had to summon up all the strength I had just to keep my legs from turning to jello and I still remember that night to this day.
Oh and the guy was armed - as were the other times that I've had people attempt to break into my home. This guy had a crowbar (what he used to get my door open) and a knife (which he dropped once he realized I really would have shot him). The other times they had bats and 2 knives, all dropped weapons and ran when they heard the sound of the shotgun being pumped from the other side of the door.
That one guy though must have thought I wouldn't shoot him, he took a couple steps toward me and then finally decided to leave. I can only hope it was because he decided I would have shot him. Maybe he just decided he didn't want to rob anyone tonight after all. Who knows but I'm glad it didn't get messy.
Btw if I were a criminal and wanted to invade a home or do a home burglary I'd do so with a gun - like an AK type with a folding stock and short barrel or a shotgun with a pistol stock and a sawed off barrel. Both are fairly easy to conceal and if all you have is a sword I'd shoot you from the doorway, have my way with your women, shoot them and then take your belongings. Of course I'm not a criminal so you won't have to worry about me doing that. Of course that doesn't mean that there aren't others who might do that.
Oh yeah about crooks being too poor to afford guns or how its illegal to own certain guns so you don't have to worry about crooks having them - BS. That's utterly ridiculous. You think laws affect criminals? You think criminals go to the local sporting goods store and buy their guns? No offense guys but that's childish thinking. Laws only affect those who obey the laws. Its illegal to own certain guns or to own guns at all. So you think that criminals who break other laws will obey that one? As for the cost of guns well if you were even a semi-successful criminal I'm sure you could figure out how to score a firearm. Thinking that the cost of guns or that laws against guns will keep criminals from getting guns is just the kind of stuff the anti-gun groups want you to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 0:20:58 GMT
Also, Like I would give a flying f**k what was "legally allowed" to defend myself! As they say "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
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Post by genocideseth on Oct 29, 2009 0:34:40 GMT
As they say "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Is it okay if I use this in my Sig?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 2:08:02 GMT
You can theorize all you want about lying in wait to get the jump on a guy from behind a doorway (illegal by the way as that's no longer self defense but rather premeditated assault with intent to injure or kill) to how quickly you can close distances etc. is a lot of fantasy. No offense but it really is. What sort of combat training with a sword do you have that will allow you to close distances, over obstacles and in the dark, with a sword before someone can shoot you? As for waiting behind doorways - again, no offense but - don't be stupid. You've just made yourself a criminal too then and in some states you'll be charged with attempted homicide... or if you succeed in killing the intruder homicide. In most states you'll at least be charged assault with a deadly weapon etc. well sam, if someone comes into my house, then im going after them. my family is more important to me then the life of a thug. if that means i have to hide behind a door and stab them in the back then thats what ill do. in an ideal situation ill be able to get my 22., but that takes time. if i hear a burgler then ill grab the weapon i have quickest access to. i know as i have done it before, when someone comes into my house ill do whatever it takes. you probably wont take me seriously but i know. ive been there where i was gripped in fear holding a weapon thinking someone was trying to get in, luckily it was just my mom home late from work. but i know now that im prepared to respond. if i go to juvey for protecting my family (including my 8 year old sister) then its ok by me as long as they are safe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 2:57:50 GMT
I'd shoot you from the doorway, have my way with your women, shoot them and then take your belongings. Sounds like you've put a fair amount of thought into that If you were a criminal, you would rape (the wife) then massacre the family eh...?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 3:25:03 GMT
I've been an LEO since 1991, on both the military (MP) and civilian (Sheriff's Office) sides. I am a strong advocate for firearms and in a home defense situation, I would ALWAYS recommend a firearm for home defense. I have worked too many scenes were a firearm would have made the difference between life and death.
A few years back, I responded to a call where an elderly man was stabbed through the abdomen with his own civil war sabre that the perp had taken from above his mantle. Kinda makes you think if you have swords hanging all over your house for decor, eh?
Swords, pepper sprays, stun guns, potato cannons, crossbows, 10th Dan martial art degrees, ball bats, shovels, and dogs all immediately lose their tactical advantage once a firearm is bought into play. The only way to combat another firearm is with another firearm.
If you can own a firearm, get one. Even single shot .22LR is better than nothing at all. If you cannot own a firearm, then my next suggestion would be to have a very good, very loud alarm system.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 4:41:15 GMT
Cant criminals just not do break-ins, cant they just commit crimes in public areas Or maybe all our houses should have freaken steel doors and retinal scanners, you loose on quaint ambience and decor but make up for it total pre-emptive security. I wanna be Burt Gummer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 4:46:17 GMT
What kind of idiot would try beat up a guy holding a shovel? ;D This^ I didn't say that, seth did
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 5:01:37 GMT
I'm just gonna say the following. Then quietly walk away from a thread i hoped wouldn't get so um... serious.
I redact my previous statement Colorado laws are rather stupid. 18 or older with no felony convictions or pending cases. Shotguns or Rifles registration, license, permit "none required" If i want a handgun only need a permit. So guess sooner or later i'll look into that Beretta i've always wanted.
So now i'm walking up the hall with blade at my hip gun in hand. Why same reason i walk around with a katana, because i can.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 5:53:22 GMT
I'm with Sam I Am all the way on this. I've never had to draw down on someone in my home, but if I had to take a guess, I'm sure thats exactly what I'd be thinking as I were doing it. Either that or "CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP!!!"
Luckily for me tho, I like in an awesome part of the country. Durring the summer, I don't even close the doors all the way, let alone lock em. But just in case: there is a mossberg 500 under my bed, a .45 in the night stand and a P22 just outside the bathroom.
(You know... it would really suck to be caught with your pants down... and not have a gun. Now getting caught with your pants down AND a gun! Well that just adds to the element of suprise!)
As I said before, if I happen to be out chopping bottles and the intruder is in between me and my guns, I'll have to rely on my sword... and my evil eye.
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No really! It really works! Go down to the grocery store holding a sword and give someone the evil eye, they run every time!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 8:15:39 GMT
I'd shoot you from the doorway, have my way with your women, shoot them and then take your belongings. Sounds like you've put a fair amount of thought into that If you were a criminal, you would rape (the wife) then massacre the family eh...? Actually it is standard operating procedure of Asian gangs because if they rape all female victims then they will bring shame to the family and the victims will not report the assault to the police and will not testify in court . Killing or massacre the family also is a good way to proof themselve to the gang Now this really give me flash back of my mom restaurant's day .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 10:29:17 GMT
Itigar, I hope that was meant as a jest though awkward at best. Oddly enough, that was one of the few times I actualy found Itigar funny. The statment may be awkward, but at its heart there is a bit of truth... which is talking tough on a forum is one thing, and real life is quite another. Some of us here are given to chest thumping and ego inflating in these sorts of threads. it was a half joke. cause honestly...when me and my wife hear noises, i dont really care...but she being the nosey woman that she is...gets up and has a look. i reckon she could ko any would be theif anyway. by the way, before i was married , we did catch someone in our hose before, and it was a family affair of belting the guy. i think i posted about it somewhere before. i wish guns were legal here, id keep one next to bed ....only cause i seen it in a movie before. honestly people, most the stuff being said here is just talk. id be more worried about killer dogs.or killer bees. or killer dogs that when they bark shoot killer bees out ther mouth at you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 18:08:23 GMT
...killer dogs that when they bark shoot killer bees out ther mouth at you. LOL. +1 for that...
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Post by sparky on Oct 29, 2009 21:47:31 GMT
honestly people, most the stuff being said here is just talk. id be more worried about killer dogs. It's funny you should say this ^ About 10 years ago a pit bull ran me and my son into my garage and the only thing I had to defend with was a shovel. I have carried ever since and the only time I have ever had to use my weapon was against a dog. It is very comforting to know that I have the ability to defend self and family!
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Oct 29, 2009 22:23:51 GMT
I had hoped you were mostly joking Itigar. I saw the humorous side of your comment and though I have guns, so does my wife and she knows how to use them. We bought her guns together and spent time on the range together and planned how we hope to respond to different threats and situations should they occur. She is involved with the local police force and is a union rep so she is tough and not one you should probably scare in the dark.
As far as most of this stuff just being talk. I have been taking this thread a little more serious because conversations like this can save lives. Most think this sort of thing never happens to them right up to the point that it is happening to them. Mental preparation is a key element in attaining a favorable outcome in an armed conflict at home. Talking about it is a step toward that preparedness. I live in a relatively small city where there is gun fire most every day. There is gang violence in many parts of the US where people don't even realize there are gangs. Then there are the thugs that exist in every society. Most of us don't live in country settings where we can leave our doors unlocked and expect the honor system to be respected. I certainly don't.
I have been involved in armed conflicts and have been lucky enough to not be seriously injured yet. Cuts and bruises and stabbed in the leg once. I can thank being prepared with a gun on more than one occasion for diffusing several of those situations. They were bigger or outnumbered me but I had the gun and the mind set to use it. The fact is that if someone is breaking into a house that is obviously occupied, they have already crossed a line in their heads. They are probably armed and expecting resistance and you should not take the chance that they are pacifists or just stupid enough not to rob an empty house.
You should think about this scenario seriously and come to decisions about yourself and how you need to be to deal with the types of threats you may encounter. Some of the posters here have thought about their posts and may be closer to being prepared for it. Others of us are just relaying what we have already come to know about ourselves and our resolve.
20% of the homes on my street have been broken into...............I live in a relatively nice section of town.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 23:18:41 GMT
Mental preparation is a key element in attaining a favorable outcome in an armed conflict at home. ... You should think about this scenario seriously and come to decisions about yourself and how you need to be to deal with the types of threats you may encounter. I will simply say that this is really the key point (while expanding it to 'any physical conflict at all'). The most fundamental difference between someone breaking into your home/mugging you/etc. is mental. We have built in cultural and genetic blocks against seriously harming or killing other people. When in a conflict situation these will generally cause hesitation to attack and/or a level of restraint in the damage you are willing to inflict. There's a reason that soldiers and police go through such extensive training. It's not only to develop their skill sets, it's to build the mentality required to use that kind of force. The reason that police officers often require counselling after shooting someone is because their job requires that they still see criminals as people - soldiers on the other hand are trained to think instead of a 'target', and so tend to have less issues. Obviously this can be achieved in other ways such as immersion in a culture (e.g. gang, street, criminal) that changes those values, or simply be having a brain that's wired a little differently. The point is that someone who is mentally prepared to hurt other people is at an automatic advantage against someone who isn't, and that is why you need to put some serious thought into what you are willing to do. It's why I'd back an unarmed street thug against Joe Citizen with a baseball bat 9 times out of 10. Because Joe Citizen doesn't really want to crack someone's skull open. If you're not really mentally prepared to kill someone with that gun of yours, you'll get yourself shot with it.
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