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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 0:41:07 GMT
As they say "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Is it okay if I use this in my Sig? Sure, go for it! It's an old saying but I don't know who said it first.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 1:58:50 GMT
Mental preparation is definitely the key. The hope is always that you don't have to go through it but if you do be prepared. Don't fill your head with fantasy and movie ideas. Think about practicality and do what's best. I do take talks like this seriously because they're about serious issues and they hit closer to home than I'd like. Sadly it is most often the ones that think "It'll never happen to me" or "It can't happen to me because..." that this sort of stuff happens to. Oh James - I never mentioned rape. I said I'd have my way with the women. Seeing as I rarely ever get my way with my woman I'd have my way with yours if I were a criminal - make them strip down naked and go barefoot. Then I'd make them clean a few rooms, scrub a few floors and do a few loads of laundry for me. Afterwards I'd set them to cooking a good meal for me before I kill them and take off with your property. lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 3:27:02 GMT
Oh James - I never mentioned rape. I said I'd have my way with the women. Seeing as I rarely ever get my way with my woman I'd have my way with yours if I were a criminal - make them strip down naked and go barefoot. Then I'd make them clean a few rooms, scrub a few floors and do a few loads of laundry for me. Afterwards I'd set them to cooking a good meal for me before I kill them and take off with your property. lol I'm sorry, i fail to find anything even remotely humorous about your "if i were a criminal" babbling... Even in jest, talking about another mans woman, saying: "I'd have my way with yours - make them strip down naked and go barefoot. make them clean a few rooms, scrub a few floors and do a few loads of laundry for me. set them to cooking a good meal for me before I kill them and take off with your property. " is inappropriate at best...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 15:51:59 GMT
Well in the vein of the thread I vote for kill them all and let God sort them out
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 16:00:58 GMT
Oh James - I never mentioned rape. I said I'd have my way with the women. Seeing as I rarely ever get my way with my woman I'd have my way with yours if I were a criminal - make them strip down naked and go barefoot. Then I'd make them clean a few rooms, scrub a few floors and do a few loads of laundry for me. Afterwards I'd set them to cooking a good meal for me before I kill them and take off with your property. lol I'm sorry, i fail to find anything even remotely humorous about your "if i were a criminal" babbling... Even in jest, talking about another mans woman, saying: "I'd have my way with yours - make them strip down naked and go barefoot. make them clean a few rooms, scrub a few floors and do a few loads of laundry for me. set them to cooking a good meal for me before I kill them and take off with your property. " is inappropriate at best... That's because there was nothing funny about it. In fact, I'm curious as to where he sees humor in this; I'm pretty laid back, possessed of a good sense of humor- but I'm not laughing. In fact, a remark like that in any setting is a firm request for a fist to the grill. And maybe a couple more to follow, to get the point across. My brother and I don't even kid around like that about our OWN wives; I'll be damned if I'd let some ass clown I barely knew get away with it.
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Post by sparky on Oct 30, 2009 19:54:25 GMT
Well said utilityslave. My recommendation to everyone has been and is.... unless you are prepared, I mean really prepared, to shoot someone do NOT pick up a gun. Because unless you are, they will take your gun and shoot you! I tried to find a post that a "? former ?" member (D.B. Rideout) had posted about his home invasion. In the middle of no where armed thugs came into his house with the intent to do harm. Shots were fired, If I remember right DB was shot, and the bad guys ran. They were caught later and they were bad news. {Oh James - I never mentioned rape. I said I'd have my way with the women. Seeing as I rarely ever get my way with my woman I'd have my way with yours if I were a criminal - make them strip down naked and go barefoot. Then I'd make them clean a few rooms, scrub a few floors and do a few loads of laundry for me. Afterwards I'd set them to cooking a good meal for me before I kill them and take off with your property. lol} I must be weird, or maybe it's the five kids, but I laughed at this. Heck when I read it to my wife she laughed too. Having the five kids and home schooling them there are times that the house work doesn't get done. Why we've even seen the laundry pile up and can you say pizza. Because Mom is to frazzled to even think about cooking. We won't go into the strip them down and get naked........... five kids...... to little time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 20:19:02 GMT
Rob, you may have missed the context; he was saying he'd do that to Jim's wife. So, imagine him saying that to you about your wife- if its still funny, I say bully for you.
Hmm...I automatically equated 'have my way' with 'rape' as well...but even so, I'm failing to see the humor in it. Especially the last part, but I may just be reading into it because...well...I want to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 20:57:37 GMT
I remember a rule I learned in the Army, "You can talk bad about a man all you want, you bring up his family and you're going to get hurt." Any comments about hurting wives/fiances/girlfriends or children is in bad taste at best, and generally looking for a fight.
That having been said, I'll refer to my words earlier in this post. What I stated as my reaction, is how I HAVE to operate given the resources I have on hand, and the layout of the place I live. I also have had to respond to threatening situations in the place I live. One I told another forumite about, was a 20 person gang fight that erupted in my apartment building. Fortunately, for my family the trouble did not spill into our door. However, I was still standing behind my locked door with machete in hand prepared to defend my family to the death if necessary. The police didn't even arrest a single person although this was a fight among armed (knives, baseball bats, broken bottles) men.
For me moving (although I would love to) is NOT an option at this point in time. I know that bringing a blade to a gunfight is a losing proposition, but it's what I've got. I would rather go down fighting than cower like a f***ing sheep while my family gets hurt. I have nothing against gun ownership, I just simply have not had the money for a firearm. So unless you plan on sending me a gun, get over it. I'm prepared to defend my family to death with whatever I have at hand - like I was prepared to lay down my life for my country when I was in the military.
I'll also agree with those who have stated the the gun owners need to be prepared to use them. That means you need to have spent the time at the friggen' range learning how to shoot. You need to know what to do in the event of a mis-fire. You need to know how to avoid, disarm attempts. And most of all, a man (or woman if she is the primary defense of the household) needs to be willing to do whatever it takes to defend his family - end of story.
My $0.02 (and yes, I've been having a bad day, if anybody gives a rat's arse.)
BTW, in my comment on response speed, I only stated that because it's something I've already had to do and did accomplish. Though, post injury, I'm a bit slower these days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 21:06:03 GMT
Alright, so I'm not losing it- and I didn't react badly to it. I like Army rules at times.
Liam, a 20 person brawl? Glad your family was kept safe from it- did you see any of it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 21:38:31 GMT
This is an interesting topic. I think, especially if you live somewhere that's somewhat safe, that you should simply consider the situation and prepare, but not obsess over it by having loaded guns lying around all over the place. Living like that is not living, it's just living under fear.
Back when I was young I used to live in Argentina, and my dad had a loaded pistol on his bed table and a loaded shotgun in the closet. He also carried a revolver under the seat of his car at all times, and it was indeed a life of fear.
Personnally, although I do know I would defend my family, I really don't know what I would do. Chances are that by the time I unlock the gun cabinet, unlock a shotgun and load it, it's already too late though...
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Post by sparky on Oct 30, 2009 21:55:26 GMT
LP, I could not agree with you any more than I do! I tend to forget my pre-gun days, or is it I block them. It is amazing how having a wife and kid(s) change you. What ever it takes to protect the ones you love! Sorry about your bad day. I hope your weekend is GREAT! Ebon, it's all good. When I first read Sam's post I took it as an example like this - www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/25/national/main3095614.shtml?source=mostpop_story or this blog.taragana.com/law/2009/10/13/3-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-fla-home-invasion-gang-rape-of-woman-and-beating-of-son-14330/. And there are a ton more. I figured it was about raping as well, it would not be out of the realm to think that. What I don't get was anyone taking it personally. I thought he was just giving a "mindset" of the bad guys example. He never did say he was going to do that to Jim's wife, Jim just called him to task. I reread the whole thread and Jim didn't even come into the discussion till he called him to task on it, so I don't think it was directed at him. Again it's just my take on it, no one has to agree!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 22:09:17 GMT
Alright, so I'm not losing it- and I didn't react badly to it. I like Army rules at times. Liam, a 20 person brawl? Glad your family was kept safe from it- did you see any of it? Not brawl, it seems the the members of the Mexican Mafia in the area didn't like some members of 18st moving into the area and to that the presence of the "Doom Squad" as the locals like to be called and it was a bit of a touchy situation. Fortunately, no firearms were brought into the situation. So yeah, Ebon, I saw quite a bit of it through the door peephole. Not to mention all the cops did when they finally got here was yell, "funcione, funcionamiento del conejo" which is Spanish for "run, rabbit run" out their loudspeakers. Trust me, the gun fund, has been getting money added to it ever since. So has the , "Let's move the H*** of this cr*phole fund." Not my proudest moment, but I was ready to do what needed to be done, I was also the person who called the cops. I'm not trying to sound tough, I'm not attempting to talk s**t. This has been my life. Technically I'm a peacetime vet, but I've had to pull a trigger overseas. I wish I hadn't had to do that. I'm not talking about these situations, because I'm proud of them, or to make myself sound tough, I'm to old for those ****ing games. Years back the group Mighty Might Bosstones released a song called 'The Impression that I Get" the main point is that the singer had never been in a situation where his back was proverbially or literally to a wall but he knew some people who had been there. Personally, I think that is the case with most people speaking in this thread. On the other hand, my life is better described by a different old song "Sometimes" by the Aussie group Midnight Oil. (Yes, I know I'm dating myself but I ain't a young buck anymore and haven't been for a while now.) The end point, and my personal belief is this: A MAN DOES WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO TO PROVIDE FOR AND PROTECT HIS FAMILY WITH WHATEVER TOOLS HE HAS AT HAND. To me this is a sacred a duty as can possibly be given no matter religion. This is just what a man does, and if there is no man in a picture than it is what a woman does. That is our HUMAN duty to our families. If a person is not prepared to do that, than they need to change themselves. END OF RANT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 22:31:12 GMT
Yeah, the wife and kids thing does change you. In my case it was to put down the video games (I still play on the occasion but not like I used to) stop smoking pot, and try to be a better man. What can I say, it's still a work in progress. As for the bad day, two words: veterans administration, enough said. Though I might be heading for surgery soon, if that's the case I hope it finally fixes what's wrong. Anyway, the two previous posts let me blow off enough steam, now where are those flippen' water bottles, we've got a score to settle....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 22:46:41 GMT
I must have hit a nerve with my comments regarding wives etc. I do apologize for that - especially to James although no slight was intended toward him or anyone else. I had put out a worst case scenario and when James joked about it I "clarified" the wording I used - in jest. Nothing was meant as being toward anyone in particular on this board however.
Regarding the original scenario I presented though I am quite sure there are a good number of bad guys out there who would do it. I hope it never happens to anyone on this board - in my case I take no chances.
James I am apologizing directly to you for any insult or offense you've taken from my words. None were intended however on the web things can come off differently I guess.
Sparky - I'm a father of 4 kids, 3 of them are girls. Honestly I found humor in what I'd typed and I'm glad you and your wife found humor in that as well. My fiancee found it amusing too although she elbowed me for the jab at her. I'm glad that my fiancee and I weren't the only ones who found that at least somewhat humorous.
LPBoyle - I am in 100% agreement with you regarding your stance about protecting your family. I feel the same about mine. I also understand not having enough funding, I have been there and am still there. I'm just glad I was able to get the firearms I have before financial distress hit me. Its when I hear or read "I have X number of guns but I'd still rather get my sword to defend my home and family" that I get annoyed and upset - for reasons I shouldn't have to list.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 22:49:07 GMT
This is an interesting topic. I think, especially if you live somewhere that's somewhat safe, that you should simply consider the situation and prepare, but not obsess over it by having loaded guns lying around all over the place. Living like that is not living, it's just living under fear. Back when I was young I used to live in Argentina, and my dad had a loaded pistol on his bed table and a loaded shotgun in the closet. He also carried a revolver under the seat of his car at all times, and it was indeed a life of fear. Personnally, although I do know I would defend my family, I really don't know what I would do. Chances are that by the time I unlock the gun cabinet, unlock a shotgun and load it, it's already too late though... Federico I disagree on that...Living in fear is having nothing better than a screwdriver, monkey wrench or broom to defend yourself and your family with when the bad guys are in your house, or battering the door down and about to be in your house
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 23:25:30 GMT
This is an interesting topic. I think, especially if you live somewhere that's somewhat safe, that you should simply consider the situation and prepare, but not obsess over it by having loaded guns lying around all over the place. Living like that is not living, it's just living under fear. Back when I was young I used to live in Argentina, and my dad had a loaded pistol on his bed table and a loaded shotgun in the closet. He also carried a revolver under the seat of his car at all times, and it was indeed a life of fear. Personnally, although I do know I would defend my family, I really don't know what I would do. Chances are that by the time I unlock the gun cabinet, unlock a shotgun and load it, it's already too late though... Federico I disagree on that...Living in fear is having nothing better than a screwdriver, monkey wrench or broom to defend yourself and your family with when the bad guys are in your house, or battering the door down and about to be in your house I never said be completely unprepared (I'm not). That's foolish. I simply said that obsessing over it and turning your house into a fortress is just as bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 23:42:06 GMT
I disagree on that...Living in fear is having nothing better than a screwdriver, monkey wrench or broom to defend yourself and your family with when the bad guys are in your house, or battering the door down and about to be in your house I never said be completely unprepared (I'm not). That's foolish. I simply said that obsessing over it and turning your house into a fortress is just as bad. The fortess part was what I was talking about, If I had the money, I would probably turn my house into a fortress, or build a new house entirely that would be a bunker, complete with lots of cameras and remote control machine gun turrets The bunker part would also be handy in case of a tornado Of course when I was just a little kid, I was stalked by a psycho that would even try to get into my house if I was there and my parents were gone At least he finally did the world a favor and shot himself after taking a group of his friends hostage, once the police showed up I learned to be prepared to deliver overwhelming force at any time to evildoers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 0:18:23 GMT
I must have hit a nerve with my comments regarding wives etc. I do apologize for that .... LPBoyle - I am in 100% agreement with you regarding your stance about protecting your family. I feel the same about mine. I also understand not having enough funding, I have been there and am still there. I'm just glad I was able to get the firearms I have before financial distress hit me. Its when I hear or read "I have X number of guns but I'd still rather get my sword to defend my home and family" that I get annoyed and upset - for reasons I shouldn't have to list. Apology accepted. Like I stated, I'm not trying to defend those who say they have "...X number of guns but I'd still rather get my sword...." The simple rule is, you fight with what you are familiar with and know how to use, if that fails you fight with whatever is at hand. There's A LOT MORE TO USING A FIREARM THAN JUST OWNING ONE. Yeah, blade vs firearm is bad odds, but if you know how to use a sword or knife and not a gun than use the knife or sword. A for living in a fortress, a very wise person once told me, "any decision you make based solely on fear is the wrong one." Yeah, the world is a hard, cold, and cruel place but you can't live in a bubble because you'll miss what beauty and peace the world foes hold as well. That doesn't mean I shouldn't lock my doors and invest in an alarm system, but it does mean I can't spend all my time worrying about hypothetical "what if's." I'll be honest, I live in a bad neighborhood, hell, I'll even use the more racially charged terms just to get my point across - I live in a place that's half barrio and half ghetto. That doesn't mean I refuse to go outside. Heck, most of my neighbors are actually decent people. When some of them are out of work they go door to door selling tamales for money. I actually respect that, at least they aren't asking for handouts. The point being, we can't live our lives based on fear. Once you've taken reasonable (yeah our definitions probably differ on that) precautions everything else is up to fate, wyrd, luck, chance, joss, or whatever you want to call it. I don't know who rolls the dice, I just know that I need to spend every minute I can trying to live the life I've got.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 8:12:18 GMT
Once you've taken reasonable (yeah our definitions probably differ on that) precautions everything else is up to fate, wyrd, luck, chance, joss, or whatever you want to call it. I don't know who rolls the dice, I just know that I need to spend every minute I can trying to live the life I've got. Amen Federico
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 20:47:07 GMT
every body needs a plan a/b(like a fire escape plan ya know) this is my familys plan- wife grabs the kids and locks her self in the kids room with the phone, and semi-automatic .22 LR, me... i grab my sword and investigate . its true that you dont bring a knife to a gun fight. but if i see a gun my sword has just turned into a flying weapon of death. if it dosent kill you, you better believe DNA is gonna be all over.( we all know about CSI)my survival is a non issue for me,compared to my wife and kids. thats plan a. plan b is more improv and speculation, and thats fine.
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