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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 19:13:06 GMT
First, don't own a gun. Not that I have any objection, and do admit that I probably should have one. My preference, a 12 gauge pump. However, as I live in a small apartment it actually makes long guns impractical. The first weapons I have to reach for are my machetes, and a nine section chain whip. So they would be what I would have to, (and have in the past,) grab and wield.
After that it's fight my way to the phone in the kitchen to call the police, and hope the cops don't just drive through the parking lot yelling "run, rabbit run" in Spanish like they did when we had the gang fight in the apt complex. Really, I should probably get a firearm and I while a 12 gauge would be my preference even a .38 pistol would be an improvement. On the other hand, unless you are walking in with gun drawn and ready, I can get from the bedroom to your chest before many can get the gun out of the holster. The problem being most burglars do already have weapons drawn.
However, the cane has already proven a pretty good everyday walking around defense weapon.
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Post by sparky on Oct 27, 2009 22:56:01 GMT
My wife has used a 12 gage pump shot gun when we lived in an apartment. They/he did not actually get in, she racked it at the door they were trying to get in and they/he ran away. I will give the generic answer, I would grab a gun. My dogs would have alerted us to a problem. My wife and I would grab guns, 12 gage for wife and 45 for me, while the dogs are chewing on perp(s). Then my wife would go to the children, while I go check out how the dogs are doing. While all of this is going on our alarm system will have called the police and a ambulance (for the bad guy{s}). Because the dogs are going to make a mess out of 'em. And If they get past the dogs I will defend my family and I'm thankful that where I live I have a right to defend person and property. I do love my swords but I'm not gonna bring a sword to a gun fight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 23:40:35 GMT
I'm lucky in that my side of the city (ironically having the states largest jail 5 mins drive away but our areas enough of a distance to not be bogun (redneck for yanks) ville and houses are good and well priced so its a good area, not to snobby but not to bottom class either. I'm in a gated townhouse complex which is only 6 years old so nice place and the coded gate keeps out any lurkers who dont know the code or have a remote for the driveway gates (then again its not like someone can just walk in an open gate). Fact is I'm fortunate I grew up around here since I was 12 and went whereever no gangs, pedo's. I think we would have like 5 break ins a year in the whole suburb. Our placement here is our security. My parents in law live out on property in the country. They say its so safe because everyones usually home at nights (no night life in the country to keep you away from our house) and most people have big dogs. My wife says there has never been anything while she grew up and they have there doors unlocked nearly all the time. Gotta love the country. My son is watching Wind in the Willows on DVD the old puppet version from the BBC (it was made when I was born in '82). Ratties solution to investigation was a thick coat, 2 flintlock pistols and a nailed cudgel aaahhhhhh good old days of childrens television
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 23:54:21 GMT
to get my gun it would take probably 2 mins under pressure to load. 2 mins is to long when a crazy person is in the house. if the come from the front i would grab a bladed weapon or stick (and there is always one on hand) and hide next to my doorway, as soon as they come through they will be done. when you are a foot away from someone who does not know your there and you have a blade they are done no matter what they are packing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 3:53:42 GMT
I wouldnt mind owning a retractable baton, they look like they could be quite intimidating if you flicked one out in front of an intruder, I had a feel of my mates police issue one its a heavy dense little thing, really wouldnt want to be on the end of it.
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Post by genocideseth on Oct 28, 2009 4:07:01 GMT
Ok first of all - to all you Canadians out there - your government's stand on guns stink worse than my dog's feces after its stolen my pad thai. Another reason I'm glad I don't live there. Now about the scenario - I've said it before and will say it again. Grab the Mossy 500 loaded with #4 shot (but the last two rounds are 1oz slugs in 3" shells) as well ass my modified 1911 that's hanging from my bed in this neat new "bedside" holster and go investigate. My lady will call 911 while I put myself between the danger and my family. I can't rely on the dog yet since she's only 4.5 mos old. Not very intimidating right now. When the cops arrive they can clean up the mess. I love swords and have a few katana as personal swords but that is not what I'd grab for home defense nor would I grab knives. All that involves getting into melee range and while I am traines in hand to hand combat as well as swordplay I would rather trust my firearms training in a situation like that. Call me a coward if you like - but I don't want to get that close to intruders till they've been rendered not dangerous. Btw about that, I would never ever shoot low if I decide I have to shoot. Its always to center of mass. Heads are too small a target to hit reliably. If I have to put a couple rounds of shot into an intruder's chest to neutralize a threat so be it. Its not with any intent or desire to kill but if they die is their own fault. Carpeting and tiling cost less than the lives and safety of all those under my care and protection. LEO is based not more that 10 minute away but somehow have consistently failed to arrive in my neighborhood in less than 30 min when called. A lot can happen in 30 min, even 10 min. Those of you who would rather grab a sword or knife had better hope your intruder is unarmed. Knife to knife, sword to sword or even sword to baseball bat/crowbar all have odds that just aren't to my liking. A prophet once said that if you have no sword to sell your clothes and go buy one. Now it can be extrapolated that if you live in America and can legally own a gun but have none you shoul... Well you get the idea. Just my $.02 though. I agree. A criminal is NOT going to be worried about being put in jail when he has one to your head. Our laws seemed to be formed to protect criminals. I hate society (Well ours) for this reason. No justice, just "equality".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 5:08:54 GMT
Also - seriously about unloaded gun in Cali? That's..uh...different. I mean in your HOME? Sounds like the UK...except of course you can't really have a gun there.. Don't you know Californians have good reflect and most are well tanned and healthy so we can load our rifle musket under pressure faster than Civil war veteran Seriously, I think the law has to do with children or unauthorized under age person got a hold of your firearm and hurt themselve or other and under the law the blame is on the gun owner. They really campaigned hard a last few years about this gun in the house and children shot themselve and thier friends when they found dady's gun in the closet .At one time my county hand out free gun lock at gun store and shooting range .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 7:55:48 GMT
you all dream. most of you would cower in bed and get your wives to go check it out.
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Oct 28, 2009 9:00:04 GMT
you all dream. most of you would cower in bed and get your wives to go check it out. Itigar, I hope that was meant as a jest though awkward at best.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 12:04:58 GMT
Woah , this turned into a quite serious post!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 12:24:24 GMT
Since it's illegal to hold guns over here without getting an impossibly-hard-to-get permit, my only option is a sword. I'd grab a wakizashi while at it, but keep it sheathed untill there is actual danger.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 12:44:08 GMT
I wonder how many of you would actually have the mentality to do half the stuff you claim you would. A few of you I know would have no troubles but it isn't that easy. Australia is quiet so I picked none of the above, I don't need a gun or a sword to defend myself and I would get in deep trouble if I did so.
This sort of came up the other day. I was in bed asleep and I heard my front door open, thinking nothing of it (figured it was my housemate) I rolled over and was about to go back to sleep when I heard a light knock on the door. Again still thinking everything was innocent and half asleep I threw on appropriate clothing and went to see what housemate wanted and more importantly why he was home. I sleep with my wraith and nyere beside my bed, not because I'm paranoid but because I have nowhere else to put them. So I open my door and stagger out into my living room to be confronted by this asian guy. Now I am thinking two things, how does he have a key to my house and what do I do in this situation. Now if I had've had a weapon there is a slight chance of something stupid possibly occurring. Thankfully it was the real estate guy come to do an inspection (of which we weren't told) but the only identification he had was that he had our forms. I was like what the hell are you doing in my house? He told me he thought no one was home and by now I was thinking so you just let yourself into people's houses when they aren't home.
In this situation I was fully ready to defend myself and I know that anyone breaking into my house here is not likely to have a gun, not to mention any noise the neighbours are going to hear straight away as I live in a unit with thin walls (very thin walls). Again I never felt the lack of not having a weapon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 12:55:52 GMT
While I've been in a lot of fights I've never really been in a 'being robbed' situation. Although I did THINK I was getting mugged one time when I was like 12 in Ottawa...lol. I think if you stay calm in most other crazy situations it would hold for this as well, until maybe shots were fired or lunges made.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 15:03:47 GMT
I wonder how many of you would actually have the mentality to do half the stuff you claim you would. A few of you I know would have no troubles but it isn't that easy. I disagree BW! I am fully capable of hiding and waiting for the police to show up!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 15:30:21 GMT
Not trying to toot my own horn. Simply because nothing is gained from talking big on a forum. But when they chased my friend to the door. They didn't back down. I open the door and its him surrounded by four guys. Swapped my live blades for bokken which i left inside. My friend is shirtless (um... still don't know why). And i'm standing there in tae-kwon-do (always wore it) gear. We were ready but thankfully it ended there.
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Post by sparky on Oct 28, 2009 19:21:06 GMT
you all dream. most of you would cower in bed and get your wives to go check it out. Bad luck for the bad guy in my house. ;D I tell people all of the time- "you can piss me off all day long, but you really don't want to piss off my wife." She is one tough cookie, and has the knife scars to prove it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 19:41:40 GMT
I didn't vote...I'm not sure how I'd react. I'd like to SAY that I'd grab the shotgun under the bed and go investigate, or I'd grab the longsword that lays next to said shotgun under the bed or the knives and shortswords that are scattered under the same bed, or the billy club holstered right next to the bed but I can't say for sure as it has never happened, thank God.
My only hope is, that should it ever occur, my family and I make it through unscathed, and the would-be thieves as well; I don't want to have to kill or maim anyone- but I'd like to think that if it were necessary, I wouldn't flinch from doing it. If I have to make a choice between the lives of my loved ones or some stranger who broke in, I'm quite certain I'll make the right choice. But I don't KNOW it. I tend to be calm when faced with extreme circumstances so who knows.
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Post by shadowhowler on Oct 28, 2009 19:48:57 GMT
you all dream. most of you would cower in bed and get your wives to go check it out. Itigar, I hope that was meant as a jest though awkward at best. Oddly enough, that was one of the few times I actualy found Itigar funny. The statment may be awkward, but at its heart there is a bit of truth... which is talking tough on a forum is one thing, and real life is quite another. Some of us here are given to chest thumping and ego inflating in these sorts of threads.
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Post by genocideseth on Oct 28, 2009 19:54:15 GMT
I wonder how many of you would actually have the mentality to do half the stuff you claim you would. A few of you I know would have no troubles but it isn't that easy. Australia is quiet so I picked none of the above, I don't need a gun or a sword to defend myself and I would get in deep trouble if I did so. This sort of came up the other day. I was in bed asleep and I heard my front door open, thinking nothing of it (figured it was my housemate) I rolled over and was about to go back to sleep when I heard a light knock on the door. Again still thinking everything was innocent and half asleep I threw on appropriate clothing and went to see what housemate wanted and more importantly why he was home. I sleep with my wraith and nyere beside my bed, not because I'm paranoid but because I have nowhere else to put them. So I open my door and stagger out into my living room to be confronted by this asian guy. Now I am thinking two things, how does he have a key to my house and what do I do in this situation. Now if I had've had a weapon there is a slight chance of something stupid possibly occurring. Thankfully it was the real estate guy come to do an inspection (of which we weren't told) but the only identification he had was that he had our forms. I was like what the hell are you doing in my house? He told me he thought no one was home and by now I was thinking so you just let yourself into people's houses when they aren't home. In this situation I was fully ready to defend myself and I know that anyone breaking into my house here is not likely to have a gun, not to mention any noise the neighbours are going to hear straight away as I live in a unit with thin walls (very thin walls). Again I never felt the lack of not having a weapon. To give you an idea of how I am... I am a bit... Reckless and stupid when it comes to things like this. My last "crime" got me picking up garbage for the town for two months!! I don't think ahead a lot. I hit the guy in the head with a shovel because he and his friends were trying to gang up on me. But serves him right. What kind of idiot would try beat up a guy holding a shovel? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 19:58:26 GMT
you all dream. most of you would cower in bed and get your wives to go check it out. Bad luck for the bad guy in my house. ;D I tell people all of the time- "you can piss me off all day long, but you really don't want to piss off my wife." She is one tough cookie, and has the knife scars to prove it. Are she and my wife related? The going joke, I'll just kill you straight out. My wife would torture first then you kill you and then bring you back from the dead to torture and kill again ad nauseum. Really, my wife is the one you don't want to piss-off, she's way meaner than i could ever aspire to be.
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