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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 22:58:50 GMT
I would be fine with getting the Seneschal, except that I don't want the wheel pommel.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 21, 2009 0:49:45 GMT
one thing to be aware of with Atrim swords: if you don't catch it when it's in stock you are in for a LONG wait. so make sure what you want is in stock when you order
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 1:45:15 GMT
Funny thing is I love wheel pommel and all my longsword have wheel pommels on em . Anyways, pommel can cost more then you think. Things like facets on the pommel which may seem minor add a whole ton o work...and so to the cost. I think the cheapest non wheel pommel you can do is probably the fishtail as most good looking scent stoppers have facets in them and are generally pretty expensive as a custom piece to be forge. Yes I know you see them on cheap swords, but those have cast fitting and facets don't matter one wit for casting (well a little as it's more things you need to be careful about in the final grinding)...but for a one off sword, it's not cost efficent to do a casting vs just forging one out. Unless anyone know of anyone making cast fittings for atrim blades.... Honestly if you really hate the wheel pommel, you should take a good hard looks at the maker's mark XVIa bastard sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 2:06:22 GMT
I already have. The pommel is nice, but the blade is not my type. The two swords that I am close to choosing between right now are the XIIIa quad fullered and the XIIa accented fuller. Have you looked at the pommel that I want? It's one that he has already made, even though it was a custom, and since I don't want the engravings I don't think that it would cost more than $300. When I get the money I will have to ask CF about it.
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Post by alvin on Jun 21, 2009 3:08:07 GMT
I don't believe that anyone has mentioned the VA Signature Malatesta. It seems to be similar to what you are looking for. Sword Nation has it listed with a sale price of $415.00, and I believe that includes the scabbard and harness. They aren't available for sale at this time, but hopefully will be later this year(?). www.swordnation.com/malatesta.htmwww.swordnation.com/valiantsignature/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 3:35:42 GMT
You seem pretty intent on an Atrim. I have to join the crowd that says you can't go wrong with that. I recently got the MM XVIa and it really is an awesome sword. My advise to you is once you decide which model you want, and if that model is currently not in stock, contact Christian and let him know of your interest. He can let Gus know you are interested. With luck he might add that model to his current to-do list. You might as well at that point go over the cost details with Christian. He is a pretty nice guy who I'm sure would be glad to give you estimates on any custom work.
Good luck and keep us posted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 18:24:17 GMT
Alvin, that Malatesta looks nearly perfect! It's too bad that none are in stock. I would like to look at the stats on it first, though. I have heard that the VA line isn't as good as the MM line is. I haven't decided on anything permanently yet, but I am trying to plan ahead. So far, I am trying to choose between the XIIIa - quad fullered, the XIII - flared shoulders, and the XIIa - accent fullered. All three of them look great, and I am sure that I would be content with any of them. I think that the quad fullered is the closest to what I want, since the only thing I would change is the fuller (I would rather just have one fuller than four, but it's worth it) and the pommel. The ultimate factor for me is money. When I actually get done working I will know exactly where I stand, as far as customization goes. I have my eye on a couple Albions, but I doubt that I will have that much cash, which is why I am examining the Atrims more closely.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 21, 2009 19:09:31 GMT
Alvin, that Malatesta looks nearly perfect! It's too bad that none are in stock. I would like to look at the stats on it first, though. I have heard that the VA line isn't as good as the MM line is. I haven't decided on anything permanently yet, but I am trying to plan ahead. So far, I am trying to choose between the XIIIa - quad fullered, the XIII - flared shoulders, and the XIIa - accent fullered. All three of them look great, and I am sure that I would be content with any of them. I think that the quad fullered is the closest to what I want, since the only thing I would change is the fuller (I would rather just have one fuller than four, but it's worth it) and the pommel. The ultimate factor for me is money. When I actually get done working I will know exactly where I stand, as far as customization goes. I have my eye on a couple Albions, but I doubt that I will have that much cash, which is why I am examining the Atrims more closely. The Malatesta is probably going to be a very good option for you, if you like the looks of it. No, it won't be quite as good as a true Atrim sword... but it will be pretty close... and for around 350-400 (200 -250 less then a comparable Atrim sword without scabbard) you'll get the sword, scabbard AND belt. The VA Signature lines are a silly great deal, and an AWESOME Balanace of sword, scabbard and belt and VALUE. I intend to get both the Malatesta and the Hedemark when they come out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 19:20:00 GMT
That sounds like a great deal. I would definately buy it, but if I had to choose between how functional a sword is and how good it looks, I would choose functionality. Have you guys looked at the XIIa accent fullered? I like the looks of it, but I don't know how well the tip would be for cutting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 23:17:34 GMT
I don't believe that anyone has mentioned the VA Signature Malatesta. It seems to be similar to what you are looking for. Sword Nation has it listed with a sale price of $415.00, and I believe that includes the scabbard and harness. They aren't available for sale at this time, but hopefully will be later this year(?). www.swordnation.com/malatesta.htmwww.swordnation.com/valiantsignature/oh man, forgot about the Malatesta...what a beauty....
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 21, 2009 23:30:08 GMT
I agree with Shadowhowler that the VA signature series are great swords. I didn't reccomend the Malatesta because I thought you might not like the skinny pointy blade, I don't know any real stats on it so I don't know if it is light or medium weight (I really doubt heavy), and I don't know when it will be available.
on the XIIa, I think that as long as you don't abuse it you could cut without fear of harming the tip. water bottles, pool noodles, and such light targets should be cuttable with any Atrim sword without fear, however I recall you mentioning the possibilty of wood or small tree branches and I would like to warn you that those can be very tough targets and can damage any sword depending on form, skill, and the exact size of your target. even bamboo which is a traditional target used by the JSA folks can seriously harm a sword on a bad cut. so please get some beach mats or tatami for challenging targets and use water bottles, milk jugs, and pool noodles to learn your form on. they are still a lot of fun and you won't hurt your sword.
I agreee with you on the one fuller vs. multiple fullers; I much prefer one single fuller.
some one correct me but wasn't the XIII flared shoulders the sword Shooter Mike praised as being Gus's best cutting longsword? if not which one was it, I'm trying to remember and the link to the reviews is going SLOW. you see out here on the ocean we get our bits by carrier pigeon not sattelite (that's too expensive). ok I found the review and the quote I find important is this one: "the general consensus was that this was the easiest sword to cut with that any of us had ever tried. I know it is for me." this says a lot since Mike has had (and still has) some incredible swords. I see you have seen this review and while I cannot say anything about this sword in specific, I would be very surprised if it had trouble cutting any target at all light or heavy. with the opinions of Mike, Bill, and Adam (he mentioned it elsewhere I think, before he left the community) all agreeing that this sword cuts absurdly well I think that this may be my next longsword, right after the single handed Antioch I guess (that's gonna hurt the wallet though).
The Flared Shoulder XIII would be MY pick if I were you no doubts about it, now that I've re-read the review and when considering the fact the it is in stock and single fullered. in fact, strike that, don't buy it, leave it for me. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 0:05:29 GMT
I have seriously been considering buying it. Does anybody know how tall Mike is? When I watch his videos it looks like the swords are either really long and big, or he is slightly shorter than the average person. I am 5'11, so do you think that it would be too big for me? I have also been looking at the XIIa winged shoulders. It looks like it would be a better cutter for lighter targets like water bottles, but I don't know. I wouldn't call myself weak, since two years ago I could bench 160 lbs and I'm stronger now, but I wouldn't call myself strong either. Average is probably the closest. I am going to see if I can get CF to customize a pommel for me, no matter what sword I get.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 1:20:47 GMT
I get the impression that Mike is kinda short when watching his videos, but as I'm 6'3", most people look a little short to me. ;D Yes, I know I'm sizist (heightist?).
The blade really doesn't look too long IMO. Especially considering a lot of single handed swords are in that range. Although I may have issues, as sometimes I think the Hanwei Scottish Lowlander could use a few more inches, lol. Same thing with the weight, it's not that heavy at all.
If you like it, I would say just go for it. Either way, I don't think I would worry about the cutting ability on any ATrim, especially if you're just thinking of stuff like water bottles. It's basically a choice between "really good" and "really REALLY good."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 1:29:25 GMT
I am aware of that, and I am trying to figure out what is "really REALLY good". I just assume that a big heavy sword like the XIII and XIIIa won't perform as well against lighter targets like pool noodles. I guess that I am trying to get a balanced sword that will work good against light targets like bottles and pool noodles, but also against larger targets like tatami mats (that might be double or triple rolled).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 1:36:42 GMT
Don´t worry about being strong enough. Power comes from speed. Speed comes from form and form comes from practice.
As for the type XIIa being better at cutting bottled...why do you think that? A broad flat blade is better for cutting over a narrow thicker blade. I don´t know why so many people think that the narrow thicker tips would cut well at the tip...I mean basic high school physics should tell you that such a design will need to displace more mass to cut so is an inferior cutting design. That being said, if you like stabbing at all then the XIIa holds all the cards over the XIII.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 1:57:10 GMT
The tip of the XIIa isn't necessarily thicker, it is just more accute. And since I knew that speed is a big factor in cutting bottles, I was afraid that I might not be able to get a big sword like the XIII up to enough speed to where I could cleanly cut bottles. It just seems to me that lighter targets would require a bit more finesse to cut perfectly.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 22, 2009 2:05:35 GMT
the Flared Shoulder XIII is what 3lbs 3 oz or close to that? my point is: many single handed swords are in that weight range. I have cut EMPTY soda bottles with a VA Castile that I sharpened up for a buddy and it weigs 3 pounds 4 ounces or so and it is a single hander. after I gave it a proper edge it cuts light medium and heavy targets all with the same ease. a two handed sword of that weight and better balance (Atrim XIII flared has a better balance than the castile) should cut through milk jugs and water bottles and other light targets like they don't exist. if the castile can do it at 3 pounds 4 then I have every faith the Atrim XIII can do it better.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 22, 2009 2:32:47 GMT
This is the baby you guys are talking about... www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fletcher/Makers_Mark/Pages/Type_XIII_-_Flared_Shoulders.html 3lb 4 oz, blade 32.7 in 43.4in overal. Not only did Mike say it turned out to be an awesome cutter (and Mike is a bit short, in the 5'6-5'8 range, but I'd never call him short to his FACE. ;D ) but Gus himself said it was his best CUTTING sword. If I had the cash, it would already be mine. I hand my mouse over the buy it button more then once and that one, and almost risked my wife kicking my ass... because I'd really like to get my hands on that sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 2:33:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 3:03:35 GMT
The triple fullered has too short a grip. I am trying to choose between the XIII winged shoulders, the quad fullered XIIIa, and the XIIa winged shoulders. It is proving to be a very difficult decision. I still have a month to make up my mind, though.
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