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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 1:28:01 GMT
The Senachel looks great. I would buy it, but at that price it seems that getting a custom on a standard Atrim would be the same price, or less. Also, I could get a pretty good Albion for that price, although I'm not sure if it would even be as good as the Senachel. The only thing that I would have in mind for customization would be possibly changing the color on the grip and replacing the pommel with one that looks more like Aragorn's ranger sword. Somebody got Atrim/Christian to do a custom, and I would like a pommel similar to it. This is the link www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fletcher/Custom_Work/Pages/Borderwatch.htmlI wouldn't think that simply changing the color and replacing the pommel would cost that much, but then again, I don't know. I am only assuming. If it costs more (which would appall me) than the Senachel, I would question the Senachel's actual quality, seeing as it's a lot fancier than what I have in mind. I would consider getting someone from here to do the custom work for me, but I am not going to send someone my one and only sword when I have no proof that they won't just keep it. I would think that I could even dye the grip myself if I had the dye. At this point I am leaning more towards getting an Atrim than and Albion.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 20, 2009 2:33:39 GMT
when I said someone from here, I meant someone who runs a business. we have a few of those. Brian from DBK for instance does GREAT looking work and I think he is a lot more affordable than Chirstian Fletcher but I don't know that for sure, I'm just guessing, I wouldn't want you to send your sword to just anyone either. I would never suggest that. Shooter Mike would be the exception but he isn't just anyone he is very well established around here and has a LOOONG track record of good honest deals. but like I said, I don't think he takes comission. which is a shame, really. I would suggest you start a new thread asking for people's opinion on who you should get to do any customisation work you'd want.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 3:01:08 GMT
I might do that. I wish that more people would give me feedback, though. I have been looking at Albion's "Baron", and it is also a possibility. Whichever sword I do get, I will do a review on, featuring videos of light-targer cutting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 3:54:27 GMT
Well a regrip, your looking at 40-80 dollar range. For a new pommel and guard...100 dollars...at least. Generally speaking, a rehilt is gonna run $200 for a low price. For a rehilt like the borderwatch, I would say that is about a $300 job. Although if you like the borderwatch, you should look at the type XVIa bastard sword in the makers mark line up. Very similar hilt and the crossguard and pommel blue can be done at home with the Atrim because of the threaded pommel. You you just need some wood charcoal (and a place to burn it) and a pot of oil (well and tongs...). Or even a blow torch and a pot of oil (once again handling tools would be useful).
As for atrim vs albions...well they are pretty similar in performance. I find the atrims to have a slight edge in agility over albions in general...but most people don't even notice. I honestly prefer albions over atrim though (for a variety of reasons)...but that atrim XVIa is very tempting (although I'd have to switch the pommel for a type G pommel).
Oh and there is the semi-custom route. Get the hanwei tinker blade only for around a 150 bucks and get a hilt made to your desire. Course your option is either a arming sword, 36 inch type XVIIIa or a 33 inch type XVIIIa until the XIIIa great sword comes out.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 20, 2009 6:14:33 GMT
for that matter, get VA practcal long and have it rehilted. I didn't suggest the Tinker/hanwei long sword because I thought he might think it too light and fency but he might like it. that and he'd have to sharpen it and I hate suggesting swords that need sharpening to first-timers. seems like a bad combo to me
when it comes to Atrim VS. Albion I'll take the Atrim every time I think. not that Albion is bad or anything, I just feel that Gus Trim has a better feel for what I like in swords. we all have our preferences I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 10:33:24 GMT
one name that hasn't been mentioned yet and one I highly recommend to anyone is... Armour Class of Scotland www.armourclass.com/grossly over-looked by so many. Yes, they are based in Scotland, yes they have a wee bit of a wait time, but they have a very long standing reputation in the UK. I would consider the products in line with the 3 big "A" s (Albion, Atrim, A&A) in terms of quality. Have not handled any of their Medieval swords, but if they handle half as well as my mortuary hilt, then certainly worth a look. and with the present exchange rate, cheaper than an Albion. Just thought Armour Class would be another good option to ponder. Good luck on your continued search....... cheers
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 20, 2009 12:27:10 GMT
Type 16 an 18s are great cutters and thrusters. But there is so much grey area, and so many different interpretations. Type 16s are very attractive.
Gus Trim, Tinker, and myself all prefer the recessed nut costruction. It allows the sword to be easily dismanled. Done right it's as strong as a peened sword. Have you seen how thats done?
Do you have designs for how you'd like a sword if you did have a custom hilt job done on an Atrim Blade?
Billiam, I hadn't looked at Armour Class before. They are good looking swords at great prices.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 16:18:19 GMT
I would like to get a hilt that looks similar to this www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fletcher/Custom_Work/Pages/Borderwatch.htmlHowever, I know that crossguards can get somewhat expensive, so I don't really care about the crossguard. If I had to choose between getting the grip customized or the pommel, I would choose the pommel, since the Atrim grips already look pretty good. I just don't really like wheel pommels unless they are on a single handed sword, which is not what I am going to buy. I think that CF/Atrim actually made a ranger sword a while back, but it was discontinued.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 20, 2009 18:24:24 GMT
You and me both man... LOVE the Boarderwatch, and all that green, so hot. In my top 5 favorite swords for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 18:36:39 GMT
It looks perfect, but it's probably out of my league. Still, if all I had to do was customize the hilt with no engravings, I wouldn't think that it would cost too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 18:56:48 GMT
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Post by genocideseth on Jun 20, 2009 19:01:35 GMT
My votes go to: Valiant Armory Atrim line. Or Hanwei Tinker Pierce line.
To of which I have been heavily interested for the past few months.
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Post by enkidu on Jun 20, 2009 19:40:58 GMT
After looking at your last preferences, if i were you i would go for the quad fullered or the XIIa accent ( and if you do, please do a review ! ). But... even if Gus heat treat his swords with space age technology and that they are durable as anything you might hope and WILL handle superbly well, you might be a bit disapointed for a first sword if you go with an Atrim. The finish is ordinary at best and they come a bit plain Jane. ( i will get some harsh comments here for this i think ! ) When people say that they are built for perfomance they are friggin right, and even with customizations, you'll still notice what they were built for. Dont get me wrong here, Atrims are wonderful swords, i have one XIII plus a Valiant practical designed by Gus, but i still think that as a first sword you might want something with more meat on it from what you say. I think that going from wallhanger to high performance is a big step, and to better understand the dynamics of a sword and what you really like in a sword, you really need to get something in between first. Spending between 500 to 1000 for a sword is still quite a heafty price ( this is coming from the moron who just spent 900 canadian bucks on a Tinker blade... and who's so proud of it that he's finding any way to brag about it ) and the wallhanger universe is full of detailled shinny goodness, falling from that to high performance Atrim might be disapointing. Thats why i suggest going Windlass or DSA for a first try, peened, good looking, wide variety of choices and a good transition between wallhangers and real swords. Experiment before making the big step. You look like a bright guy, dont be fooled by your enthousiasm
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 20:32:00 GMT
After looking at your last preferences, if i were you i would go for the quad fullered or the XIIa accent ( and if you do, please do a review ! ). But... even if Gus heat treat his swords with space age technology and that they are durable as anything you might hope and WILL handle superbly well, you might be a bit disapointed for a first sword if you go with an Atrim. The finish is ordinary at best and they come a bit plain Jane. ( i will get some harsh comments here for this i think ! ) When people say that they are built for perfomance they are friggin right, and even with customizations, you'll still notice what they were built for. Dont get me wrong here, Atrims are wonderful swords, i have one XIII plus a Valiant practical designed by Gus, but i still think that as a first sword you might want something with more meat on it from what you say. I think that going from wallhanger to high performance is a big step, and to better understand the dynamics of a sword and what you really like in a sword, you really need to get something in between first. Spending between 500 to 1000 for a sword is still quite a heafty price ( this is coming from the moron who just spent 900 canadian bucks on a Tinker blade... and who's so proud of it that he's finding any way to brag about it ) and the wallhanger universe is full of detailled shinny goodness, falling from that to high performance Atrim might be disapointing. Thats why i suggest going Windlass or DSA for a first try, peened, good looking, wide variety of choices and a good transition between wallhangers and real swords. Experiment before making the big step. You look like a bright guy, dont be fooled by your enthousiasm I understand your concern. When I first decided to buy a real sword I was going to buy one from either Darksword Armory or Generation 2. The thing is, I can only buy one sword. At least, until next summer. I originally thought that the maximum amount of money I would have would be around $300. Now that I know that I will have double that amount, I feel that buying the best that I can for my money is the appropriate thing to do. Update: I am replacing the XIIIa Warsword with the XIII - flared shoulders. www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fletcher/Makers_Mark/Pages/Type_XIII_-_Flared_Shoulders.htmlAnd yes, I will be doing a detailed review on whatever sword that I get.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 20, 2009 20:39:08 GMT
as far as Windlass goes, I hesitate to reccomend them as I have heard a lot of complaints about their longer swords. I do have a windlass arming sword and I like it pretty well but it's nothing like and ATrim or Albion When did you pick that up Tom? I don't recal you having one of those at the cutting party... in fact, I'm sure you didnt, because you were saying you wish you had the cash to buy mine.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 20, 2009 21:09:45 GMT
I disagree with Enkidu. I think he's right that it will challenge your perceptions but I think that is a good thing and if you take it slow and work your way up from easy cutting to more challenging stuff when you are ready I think you'll be happy with an Atrim. Just understand that there are going to be characteristics of the sword that will not line up with what you currently know about swords but once you fully understand the weapon you won't want it any other way. Mr. Trim has studied LOTS and LOTS of actual surviving artifact swords and taken precise measurements and who knows what all else with them. he understands swords as they were made in the old days a lot better than most of us, or most of anybody for that matter. the same can be said for the folks at Albion too but I personally am not fond of a few of the things they do that ATrim does better. again though, my personal opinion is jumping in here.
in the end, if you have to get one sword and one sword only for a long time to come then you might as well get a sword that will allow you to grow and you will not tire of a few months down the road when you realize why some swords are better.
and again with DSA you would have to sharpen it yourself if you want a reasonable edge on it and DSA is notoriously hard to sharpen. same problem with the edge on the Tinker/Hanwei.
if you decide you want a budget sword go with the Practical Longsword from Valiant Armory. if you want a middle level sword, go Kreigswert from V.A. if you want a high-end preformance sword that will allow you lots of room to grow as a swordsman then go with one of the ATrims you have listed.
in fact I would say look through the review index for ATrim reviews by Shooter Mike. there is one sword that he reccomends especially highly but I don't remember which one it is since I'm more of a single hand sword guy and it was a longsword.
our Review section will really give you a LOT of good info, and Mike does EXCELLENT reviews. and it's fun to watch him cut.
To Sean of the Shadow Howling: not THAT arming sword, I was reffering to my "Late Spanish Sword" which is an "Arming Sword" by style but not the classic windlass arming sword, which I would still like to get one of someday, but there's this new sword I've heard about. . . it's a type XII and it's very Prestigeous and it starts with an "A" and ends with an "AWESOME" and should come with a hand granade, but doesn't. I think I HAVE to get one of those when they are available. more info when it comes. . .
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Post by enkidu on Jun 20, 2009 21:23:27 GMT
Even if Tom disagrees with me, on a different level, i totally agree with him ! Bottom line, I think you have good info and know what you are looking for, and now that your aware of the different options available.. a sword a year is a hard thing to deal with ( speak to my wife... ) you have the tools to get a good product and make a good choice. Lets go, have fun, cut a lot and.. check again that Albion mercenary... ( i still prefer Atrims to albions... but check that one out )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 21:40:37 GMT
I looked at the mercenary, but I don't want an XVa. They have too much emphasis on the thrust, and not enough on the cut. If I got an Albion it would be either the Baron or the Steward, but for those prices I might as well get the Seneschal by CF. The Seneschal looks a lot better and probably functions just as good as the baron or steward. For that matter, it looks exactly how I want mine to look, as far as the blade goes. Like I said though, for that price I could get one of the Maker's Mark swords and have CF customize the hilt.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jun 20, 2009 22:15:48 GMT
yup you could, which is basically what the Senechal is. a ATrim sword customized by CF. though I think the blade is not from a pre-existing Maker's Mark and is new made for the Senechal
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Post by shadowhowler on Jun 20, 2009 22:37:20 GMT
To Sean of the Shadow Howling: not THAT arming sword, I was reffering to my "Late Spanish Sword" which is an "Arming Sword" by style but not the classic windlass arming sword, which I would still like to get one of someday, but there's this new sword I've heard about. . . it's a type XII and it's very Prestigeous and it starts with an "A" and ends with an "AWESOME" and should come with a hand granade, but doesn't. I think I HAVE to get one of those when they are available. more info when it comes. . . I feel like I should know what your talking about, but I don't...
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