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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 14:00:12 GMT
Do you know if the pommel on the Antioch is peened?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 14:03:18 GMT
Yes, it was said that it's peened somewhere on myarmoury.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 14:04:04 GMT
Well, not specifically Antioch but the whole Prestige line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 14:16:33 GMT
The whole Prestige line is peened? It is settled then. I am getting the Antioch if I don't get Albion's Crecy. Which one is a better performance sword? I would think the Antioch is, since it was made by Angus Trim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 16:16:02 GMT
It's hard to say which sword performes better, since performance can mean quite a couple things. If performance means historical accuracy in terms of handling, it will be hard to top an albion. If it means just great handling, whether historical or not, then the atrim will have the edge over the albion. Albion recreates medival swords perfectly, but not all medival swords could be handled nicely. There were clumsy and heavy swords as well as swords that handled gracefully. So if you're looking at a greatsword or maybe a warhammer, historical accuracy doesn't always result in nice handling. A big, heavy sword like a scottish claymore simply can't dance like a light hand and a half does, in fact, it doesn't want to. It wasn't made to be a fast sword, it was made to deliver pomerful cleaving stikes.
In short, historical accuracy doesn't always result in nice handling. It all depends on the type of sword. So I'd say, in terms of handling, go with the atrim. Angus Trim takes more care of handling that Albion, I reckon. Albion on the other hand takes more care of historical accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 16:25:08 GMT
Historical accuracy is not really priority. I don't want an exact replica of a certain sword that one knight used. I think that historically speaking, there would be a lot of varieties of unique swords. I don't think that they just had basic models, I think that they had custom sword back in the medieval days too. Anyways, I consider the Antioch to be just as real of a sword as an Albion, and since it does perform better in my opinion, I am getting it. Anyways, I don't care that much about how historically accurate it is. The Antioch is a beautiful high performance sword, and I hope that it will be my sword too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 16:37:18 GMT
Not a big deal, but just so you know Atrims are michined just like Albions. At least, that's my understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 16:40:35 GMT
I thought that they were hand forged. I don't know, maybe I am thinking of the VA swords.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 16:48:05 GMT
They are both cnc grinded. And I see nothing historically inaccurate about Antioch. All kinds of handling from tennis racket to clumsy is historical, so why not to have better version? Although I wouldn't say anything about Antioch's or Knight's or Crecy's handling because I never handled any of them.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 1, 2009 17:15:38 GMT
I'm quite sure that you could take pretty muc any sword done by Albion or ATrim back to the middle ages and give it to a knight and it would be seen as such a good sword it would likely be considered magical and maybe taken by the king.
yes both of these company's swords are made by machines, but they are designed by men and that is where the heart of the matter is.
yup V.A. swords are forged in a chinese production forge, ostensibly by hand though I would bet you there are machines involved there too. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they used power hammers at the least. this does not lessen them in my mind at all all a power hammer is, is an apprentice smith with a great big sledge hammer who never misses hitting right were the master tells him to. sounds like a good apprentice to me and a good thing. they also use machines to final grinding, shaping, and polishing I would imagine. again, totally cool. lots and lots of the high-end custom smiths use power tools. no-one complains that Howard Clark may have used a power hammer and therefore it isn't REALLY hand forged (I don't know if Howard Clark uses a power hammer or not this is just an example).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 17:32:53 GMT
Oh well, I'm getting the Antioch, lol.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 1, 2009 17:47:15 GMT
then you'll want to talk to Christian Fletcher ASAP and get your $100 scheduling deposite in as that is what cements your place in line. and in about 9 months I'll welcome you to the Antioch Brotherhood. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 18:07:23 GMT
How much is the Antioch? $1500? I want one too...but in a XIIIa variant as I tend to like my blades a touch longer.
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Post by shadowhowler on Jul 1, 2009 18:21:55 GMT
Oh well, I'm getting the Antioch, lol. You are fickle, are you not? First you wanted a bastered sword... then you wanted both a single handed sword and a long sword... now you want just a single handed sword? Tisk tisk. As Ric Willy Said, with the Albions don't assume it will be all that just because of the name recognition. Ask Tom... he got an Albion not long ago, and didn;t like it at ALL. Traded it for two swords that both became favorites of his... an Atrim and a VA LongSword. To each their own. I have not had the pleasure of handling an Albion yet... I almost bought one a little while ago but was betten to it by Odingaard... pirite of the classifieds. ;D
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 1, 2009 18:24:10 GMT
$1590 with scabbard, $795 just the sword. there's no reason why you couldn't contact Christian Fletcher and tell him you want an Atrim XIIIa Warsword www.christianfletcher.com/Christian_Fletcher/Makers_Mark/Pages/Type_XIIIa_Warsword.html customized with the Antioch theme. I mean it's just red leather with crosses on it and such. I don't see any reason why it couldn't or wouldn't be done. contact Christian and I bet he'll say "sure send me a $100 scheduling deposit and I'll get right on it. you are looking at a 9-10 month wait." the price may be a little more since the XIIIa costs more than most of the arming swords but you never know until you ask. go for it. this is what Christian Fletcher does.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 18:32:58 GMT
Yes, as I have stated before, I am a very fickle person. But I have weighed the pros and the cons, and the only con that I see with the Antioch is the waiting period. It makes me sad that I will have to wait SOOOO long to get it, but I have waited longer time frames for other things. I don't quite have the money yet, which is why I haven't ordered it, but I know that I will have enough when I get done working. That waiting period is going to suck...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 18:39:17 GMT
Hey, at least he's honest about himself.
Tom, you're right...had I been thinking clearly that would've been my next course of action. I love the look of that sword; I wouldn't necessarily need his scabbard although I know it'd be worth the price. Think I'll do just that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 18:41:19 GMT
I am staring at the Antioch right now.
It's going to be a long nine months...
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Jul 1, 2009 19:32:22 GMT
I KNOW . . . but think of it this way: babies are made in 9 months too and they are worth waiting for. . .
ok you may be a little too young to not get a little shiver of fear down your spine at that thought (it's ok at your age, really) but to an old fart like me that's a beautiful statement.
hey if you get your scheduling deposite in soon you could get Antioch #3 (Assuming I'm still in line to get #2 and no-one has jumped in between us)
not that it matters, I don't think they are numbered.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 19:43:00 GMT
I think I'll do just that; I was checking out a couple of Albions (Gaddjhalt, Knight and Templar) - but for the prices, even those are outshone by the Antioch.
LOL @ 9 month analogy- don't scare the boy, he may never procreate willingly LOL
But you make a good point; it will be something worth looking forward to...ahhh...don't'cha love that new sword smell?
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