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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Dec 17, 2008 20:04:35 GMT
Cool. I think such a challenge should have some semblance of structure to it. For example: Cuts must all be caught on video; uncut, pickles must be at least a certain size, onion ring count [does/does not?] include the top and bottom pieces, etc. Cuts must be performed on a determined standardized size/weight bottle (i.e. 1 gallon plastic milk jug.), etc. Maybe even a scoring system if both chips and rings happen to be cut from the same bottle (i.e. Onoin rings are 5 points, Picke chips are 2 [3?, whatever].... just some ideas. Will start a new thread shortly... I don't know...I don't do video, so that leaves me out... but thats no big deal, I wouldn't compete anyway... i don't think that rings need necessarily have a size requirement..the smaller you get em... the more you can get...its just intuitive... Tops should definitely count... I love executing a yokogiri on a batto draw and sending the cap sailing like a frisbee... bottom can count or not... I'm inclined to count it... Chips are another thing... chips should be a different competition...or even points off on a ring competition... To successfully cut many rings...edge allignment is crucial... a dip in the cut, and it creates on uneven cutting medium...which creates chips... so IMO chips should either not count, or be penalties...
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Dec 17, 2008 20:04:44 GMT
Debbie I'd go for that too but I'd like to encourage video so maybe a small points deduction for picture only. . .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2008 20:18:18 GMT
Tom, You could do that, or perhaps give bonus points for speed? Which (obviously) can only be determined via vid
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Post by slav on Dec 17, 2008 22:31:39 GMT
Cool, I'm glad everybody likes the idea. Tom, I'll go ahead and make a separate thread for this in the SBG Competitions section, and sticky it since it will be ongoing. You can link to it or whatever you want in your thread.
Alright, I'll take everyone's ideas into consideration and create the official thread/guidelines tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 0:14:41 GMT
im definately having a go at this at the weekend.
most cuts on 1 bottle is something im always trying to improve.
i think a good scoring system would be ring for 1 point chip for 1/2 point
imo the cap should be counted as a ring, and as tom said, the bottom piece shouldnt count.
GREAT THREAD + OVERALL IDEA
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Dec 18, 2008 1:12:58 GMT
im definately having a go at this at the weekend. most cuts on 1 bottle is something im always trying to improve. i think a good scoring system would be ring for 1 point chip for 1/2 point imo the cap should be counted as a ring, and as tom said, the bottom piece shouldnt count. GREAT THREAD + OVERALL IDEA I agree except for the chips.... I think maybe a chip would be a half point deduction...seriously... any fool can cut the chip ...edge allignment is shown off on the rings... Thats just my two cents...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 1:26:34 GMT
how about the full point for the ring, and just a measly quarter point for the chip? seems a bit harsh, i dunno...
'any fool can cut the chip' lol love it
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Dec 18, 2008 1:30:02 GMT
how about the full point for the ring, and just a measly quarter point for the chip? seems a bit harsh, i dunno... 'any fool can cut the chip' lol love it Aw... it don't matter to me , as i won't compete anyway... its just when I'm cutting a jug I consider a chip a mistake..it means I pooched the cut...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 1:40:00 GMT
i agree, i think the same.
how about 1/3 for the chip? lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 1:51:07 GMT
What is the difference between pickle chips and onion rings? (in this context, smart guys! ) Since I have absolutely nothing constructive to add to this thread and am in a smart @$$ mood, I'll say that pickle chips go on the burger, while onion rings go next to the burger. ;D
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Post by rammstein on Dec 18, 2008 2:27:04 GMT
I don't have means of making a video but a long while ago I got 20 cuts (about half rings and half chips) out of a milk jug with my albion...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 2:27:06 GMT
and the burger gos on the stand to be cut down... for even more points lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 2:42:50 GMT
and the burger gos on the stand to be cut down... for even more points lol. I can see it now: No! I didn't tell you to go cut up a burger stand with your sword! I told you to go put a burger on your sword cutting stand! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 2:50:51 GMT
Pickle Chips
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Post by slav on Dec 18, 2008 3:36:17 GMT
I'm still trying to decide how to count Chips vs. Rings. Or maybe they should just be two separate standards...
On one hand, a chip is a pooched cut. But on the other hand, it is a poor cut that was still good enough not to knock down the bottle, which is an indicator of some amount of skill, yes?
How about: A chip is 1 point and a ring is 4? Rings have to be completely connected all around, and chips have to be at least X inches long to be considered.
And, like the Olympics, we can have a reigning Chip champ, Ring champ, and Overall champ. This way there's a little variety in the styles of cutting we see during the competition (some may prefer chipping away, while others may prefer ringing it).
And on second thought, video might be difficult to impossible for some...so I think that believable photos of the aftermath should be allowed, with the understanding that this is on the honor system (duh).
Before I start the thread, how about some final feedback about the ideas I just stated?
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Dec 18, 2008 3:47:22 GMT
I'm still trying to decide how to count Chips vs. Rings. Or maybe they should just be two separate standards... On one hand, a chip is a pooched cut. But on the other hand, it is a poor cut that was still good enough not to knock down the bottle, which is an indicator of some amount of skill, yes? How about: A chip is 1 point and a ring is 4? Rings have to be completely connected all around, and chips have to be at least X inches long to be considered. And, like the Olympics, we can have a reigning Chip champ, Ring champ, and Overall champ. This way there's a little variety in the styles of cutting we see during the competition (some may prefer chipping away, while others may prefer ringing it). And on second thought, video might be difficult to impossible for some...so I think that believable photos of the aftermath should be allowed, with the understanding that this is on the honor system (duh). Before I start the thread, how about some final feedback about the ideas I just stated? I like all your ideas save this.... 4 points for a ring.... while fine may not be enough... depending on the standard for the chips... 13 rings off of one milk jug would be an amazing feat and net a total of 52 points... 53 chips off of one milk jug is not really amazing...only mediocre, yet would take the overall title.... I would suggest a point system based on the current SFI records ... the records are 11 rings for scott and Restita had 104 chips... This would suggest that a ring is worth 9.4545454545 chips. I think we should round it off to 9
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 18, 2008 3:54:39 GMT
Maybe making it 10 points for a ring would make for an easier tally. I'm just looking forward to the spectator side of the events.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 4:05:34 GMT
I'm kinda bummed - I don't have a working camera currently so I won't be able to participate... ah well its not like I have a decent place to cut anyway, what with all the snow and cold weather. Maybe in spring...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 4:11:11 GMT
This definitely would be a good test of "fine control", as opposed to power - a good exercise I think
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Post by slav on Dec 18, 2008 4:37:49 GMT
I see what you are saying, but I was also thinking we would specify a minimum length for a piece to be considered a Chip. This would even things out considerably, and would serve to throw out little semprini cuts such as "corner cuts" and chips cut from across only one portruding side of the bottle (which I'm sure were counted, and comprised a good portion of the SFI figure you quoted).
Okay, i think I've got a good measurement for a countable chip:
Flattened out, the longest measurememt along a chip's length must be equal to or greater than 1/2 the circumfrence of a milk jug at it's widest. (I will measure this portion of a few different milk jugs and get the average; which will be the official standard.)
Sounds a little complicated, but it's simple really. More of a 'wedge' than a chip...
This would ensure that all chip cuts are initiated before the blade reaches the halfway point of the top of the jug, keeping them nice and substantial. It also means that cuts will have to be initiated well before the halfway point near the top of the jug, where the total circumference is smaller. Meaning, no exploiting the weight of an almost full jug by trimming little bits off the top all day long.
The rule also serves to encourage most participants to go for rings in the first place, which makes for some good competition!
^If we go by this rule, then I think the ratio should be left at 4:1...
yes, no? What do you guys think?
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