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Post by death447 on Feb 11, 2023 16:54:54 GMT
Seriously, rapiers are far superior to medieval two-handed knight longswords. This is because medieval two-handed longswords are useless and takes no skill while rapiers take a lot of skill and are extremely hard to master especially when it came to footwork and parrying. Two-handed knight longswords are easy to use when it comes to parrying and footwork. As for two-handed longswords, I am talking about the classic weapon of the heroic knights that you often see in medieval fantasy. I don't really get why so many medieval knights thought that two-handed longswords take skill. What I don't even understand is that they made it as the symbol of their knighthood.
Medieval two-handed longswords are pretty much useless against a rapier. I bet that a beginner modern 17-year old rapier fencers can easily defeat the most highly skilled and most ferocious fully-armored longsword-wielder medieval knight that has ever existed in a brutal fight to the death even if the 17-year old fencer has no armor at all.
So do you agree with me when it comes to everything what I said?
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Post by howler on Feb 11, 2023 18:51:44 GMT
Needs to be less obvious (sarcastic or not)...like throw in a light saber, fully armored vs plastic spork or whatnot.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 12, 2023 14:06:30 GMT
Au contraire! Rapier fighting only works in a duel situation against another unarmored rapier fighter. It depends on the ability to win with one deadly thrust from distance. An extremely specialized fighting style, that's the reason why all warriors in the time of rapiers left them at home when going to war and used sideswords and some kind of armor. Even a real medieval knight with mail, gambeson and a XIIa longsword isn't so easy to kill with a rapier thrust and will close up and hack the rapier fighter into shreds. A full plate knight is invulnerable for a rapier and his XVa or XVIIIb longsword is even more dangerous against an unarmored rapier fighter than a big cutting sword. Poor young boy!
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 12, 2023 14:27:41 GMT
Wow, this looks like something one of our banned members would post just to cause trouble.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 12, 2023 14:32:15 GMT
More swashbuckling please! Cat o' nine tails at least!
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Post by larason2 on Feb 12, 2023 15:33:28 GMT
I agree with Andi. The breastplates they had in the renaissance were even tougher than the ones they had in the middle ages, so a flexible and thin spring steel rapier would be useless against them. With a proper broadsword and good technique, you can chop off arms, legs, heads. No way you could do that with a rapier. Rapiers are cool, but they are very speciaized for unarmoured targets.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 12, 2023 15:42:22 GMT
On the other side:
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Post by carbon on Feb 12, 2023 15:55:43 GMT
Wow, this looks like something one of our banned members would post just to cause trouble. I was thinking troll as well.
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Post by pgandy on Feb 12, 2023 16:08:15 GMT
I picked that up last night and sent out an alert. The mods are watching.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 12, 2023 16:22:41 GMT
All easy I think. Just some swashbuckling.
Welcome to the forum, death447! Spectacular entrance!
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Feb 12, 2023 16:51:44 GMT
I mean, for an entrance, that was movie worthy.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Feb 12, 2023 20:27:28 GMT
Knights are overrated.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 12, 2023 20:35:57 GMT
Yeah, barbarians with great axes laugh about those toothpicks.
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Post by howler on Feb 12, 2023 21:01:52 GMT
Rapier and shield/offhand dagger vs long sword would be an interesting duel...but SOOO many sharks were jumped with the "fully armored" knight comment. Odds of victory for the knight go to virtually 100% if armored knight is even remotely as skilled as the Rapier wielder.
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Post by pgandy on Feb 12, 2023 21:17:00 GMT
Just thinking of a knight vs a rapier bearer in a battle field situation, he and his fellow rapier bearers would be hacked to pieces while trying to withdraw their rapier by cutting weapons such as an axe, cutting swords, etc. Rapiers are better suited for a duel with another rapier, not the battle field.
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Post by howler on Feb 12, 2023 21:41:05 GMT
Just thinking of a knight vs a rapier bearer in a battle field situation, he and his fellow rapier bearers would be hacked to pieces while trying to withdraw their rapier by cutting weapons such as an axe, cutting swords, etc. Rapiers are better suited for a duel with another rapier, not the battle field. Yes, and particularly so when those knights are fully armored. It would be a slaughter.
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Post by death447 on Feb 13, 2023 18:22:48 GMT
Au contraire! Rapier fighting only works in a duel situation against another unarmored rapier fighter. It depends on the ability to win with one deadly thrust from distance. An extremely specialized fighting style, that's the reason why all warriors in the time of rapiers left them at home when going to war and used sideswords and some kind of armor. Even a real medieval knight with mail, gambeson and a XIIa longsword isn't so easy to kill with a rapier thrust and will close up and hack the rapier fighter into shreds. A full plate knight is invulnerable for a rapier and his XVa or XVIIIb longsword is even more dangerous against an unarmored rapier fighter than a big cutting sword. Poor young boy! If you're saying that rapiers only work in a duel versus another rapier then why did rapiers replace longswords? Rapiers along with sabres replaced two-handed longswords.
Also, rapiers are not useless in the battlefield. The Knights Hospitallers during the Siege of Malta destroyed the legendary Ottoman Janissaries in hand to hand combat by wielding rapiers.
Even if rapiers are indeed weak against two-handed longswords, I can still say that rapiers do take more skill than two-handed longswords. Do you agree with me?
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Post by death447 on Feb 13, 2023 18:25:50 GMT
Wow, this looks like something one of our banned members would post just to cause trouble. Sorry if I came off as aggressive but this is really just my personal beliefs regarding two-longswords versus rapiers when it came to effectiveness and skill. Anyways, do you agree with me regarding two-handed longswords versus rapiers when it comes to skill and effectiveness?
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Post by death447 on Feb 13, 2023 18:27:35 GMT
Wow, this looks like something one of our banned members would post just to cause trouble. I was thinking troll as well.
Sorry if I came off as aggressive but sometimes, people really need to be brutally honest about some things for the better. I really REALLY just want to let this out. This is really just how I think of longswords vs rapiers.
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Post by death447 on Feb 13, 2023 18:28:21 GMT
I picked that up last night and sent out an alert. The mods are watching. Sorry if I came off as aggressive but this is really just my personal beliefs regarding two-longswords versus rapiers when it came to effectiveness and skill? Anyways, do you agree with me regarding two-handed longswords versus rapiers when it comes to skill and effectiveness?
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