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Post by tommyh on Jul 15, 2021 21:14:00 GMT
Might that not blow the heat treating? Not an expert on the areas of a hand gun are heat treated. If it is doable tig or perhaps laser welding by a jeweler??? It absolutely might. I hadn't thought of that. Like you, I have no idea what parts of a handgun are heat treated. As far as I've seen, welding on guns generally is done TIG since MIG will cause severe warpage, irrespective of what might happen to the heat treat. The only reference I have re: the doability of a red dot solution like this is 2 pictures I came across on Wright Armory's website of a Ruger GP100 with a custom-fabricated red dot mount. I used to live in Phoenix, and actually went to Wright a couple times, and really wish I had asked about it while I was there. |
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Post by elbufo on Jul 15, 2021 22:40:23 GMT
Well all may not be lost...Again the adjustable sight models have an insert milled into the top strap and secured with screws...weld and or mill a mounting plate that would replace or modify the rear sight assembly. The only issue then would be having enough adjustment on the dot. If you do this I wanna see it. if it works and does not look cobbled, there might be a market. You might make millions, or not.
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Post by tera on Jul 16, 2021 0:36:17 GMT
Well all may not be lost...Again the adjustable sight models have an insert milled into the top strap and secured with screws...weld and or mill a mounting plate that would replace or modify the rear sight assembly. The only issue then would be having enough adjustment on the dot. If you do this I wanna see it. if it works and does not look cobbled, there might be a market. You might make millions, or not. You mean like these? www.egwguns.com/pistol-and-red-dot-mounts/mounts-by-firearm-brand-sight-cut/smith-wesson/revolver/ |
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Post by nerdthenord on Jul 16, 2021 16:08:24 GMT
Well, since some of y’all doubted how Texan I am, here is the photographic proof lol.  |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 16, 2021 16:37:44 GMT
Well, since some of y’all doubted how Texan I am, here is the photographic proof lol. Just a red neck gun nut here... _C100E0AB_67D6_426F_B221_CE5537792C98.jpeg) |
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Post by nerdthenord on Jul 16, 2021 17:05:59 GMT
Well, since some of y’all doubted how Texan I am, here is the photographic proof lol. Just a red neck gun nut here... Nice FAL |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 16, 2021 17:12:26 GMT
Just a red neck gun nut here... Nice FAL Technically, its a semi auto Stg58 and its my favorite and most accurate FAL. I also have a Belgian FAL 50.00 and a Argentine FSL (civilian market FAL). FAL...when you need to reach out and touch someone your 5.56 cant reach!  |
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Post by tommyh on Jul 16, 2021 17:44:05 GMT
Well all may not be lost...Again the adjustable sight models have an insert milled into the top strap and secured with screws...weld and or mill a mounting plate that would replace or modify the rear sight assembly. The only issue then would be having enough adjustment on the dot. If you do this I wanna see it. if it works and does not look cobbled, there might be a market. You might make millions, or not. Can you point me in the direction of a j frame with factory adjustable sights? I see that there's an aftermarket company or two offering what you're describing, but I'm wondering if any of the factory models come stock with it. |
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Post by tommyh on Jul 16, 2021 17:45:06 GMT
Well all may not be lost...Again the adjustable sight models have an insert milled into the top strap and secured with screws...weld and or mill a mounting plate that would replace or modify the rear sight assembly. The only issue then would be having enough adjustment on the dot. If you do this I wanna see it. if it works and does not look cobbled, there might be a market. You might make millions, or not. You mean like these? www.egwguns.com/pistol-and-red-dot-mounts/mounts-by-firearm-brand-sight-cut/smith-wesson/revolver/Not quite, those look like dovetail mounts, which I hate. What elbufo is describing is revolvers that use an adjustable rear sight that attaches via a channel in the top of the frame. |
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Post by tera on Jul 16, 2021 17:48:06 GMT
I'm sure those exist as well. The ones I linked to may not be for models with target sights, but are specifically made for revolvers. I saw models you could mount by drilling and tapping, and they likely have target sight variants, too.
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Post by elbufo on Jul 16, 2021 19:39:02 GMT
The model number of my S&W 3" J frame is 60-3 If memory serves me corectly (HA) there are some other 60- models that also have the insert. It would be an easy fab to make a plate. The mounts that were linked are all for larger frames. Here is a link to pic's: duckduckgo.com/?q=pictures+of+S%26W+adjustable+sight+J+frames&iax=images&ia=imagesKeep an eye out on gun broker. they come up frequently. You can order new at any shop. However they are pricey. Every now and again the local shop will have one come in. They range between 5-6 hundred used. I just looked on gun broker (Smith And Wesson model 60). New they are 800+. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 16, 2021 20:12:57 GMT
The model number of my S&W 3" J frame is 60-3 If memory serves me corectly (HA) there are some other 60- models that also have the insert. It would be an easy fab to make a plate. The mounts that were linked are all for larger frames. Here is a link to pic's: duckduckgo.com/?q=pictures+of+S%26W+adjustable+sight+J+frames&iax=images&ia=imagesKeep an eye out on gun broker. they come up frequently. You can order new at any shop. However they are pricey. Every now and again the local shop will have one come in. They range between 5-6 hundred used. I just looked on gun broker (Smith And Wesson model 60). New they are 800+. Putting a carry optic on a 3" five shot revolver seems to be a case of overkill; a solution for a problem that does not exist. I don't know anyone who carries a 2-3" snubbie as anything but a backup gun and / or contact distance self defense. Engaging a threat out to the kind of distance that a carry optic would capability with only 5 rounds seems foolish at best not to mention destroying the ease of concealment/deployment inherent on the snub nosed revolver. But on the other hand.. its YOUR money. IMHO, if you have never had any professional tactical handgun training THAT would be a far better expenditure than putting a carry optic on a snub nosed revolver. It's worth noting that in a gun world looking to put an optic on everything, it has not been done on snub nosed revolvers and probably very good reason... |
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Post by elbufo on Jul 16, 2021 22:23:11 GMT
And this coming from someone with no face...When is the movie coming out? You might be my new hero if you are the good guy!
Your FAL is prettier than mine. I built mine myself, so it shows usage wear.
Everyone wants to be the first. At least we are not talking a scope bigger than the pistol. HOWEVER... I agree with almost everything you have said, except...You do know someone who carries a snubbie for more than backup...Me...It's good packing when you are living and working in the woods. OK, OK, when I go to the big city I carry an auto with a couple spare mags. When it's extra hot sometimes I even carry a NAA 22mag in mt pants pocket as a primary. I will admit the NAA makes me walk funny. Not enough counter balance.
Let's face it, if you have a cutting torch and a arc welder you can put anything anywhere! (not that you should)
P.S. Is there a trailer we can watch???
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Post by tera on Jul 16, 2021 23:11:40 GMT
I can confirm that I have met many who carry compact revolvers as primary when they are on their wilderness of a property. That means they are either very wealthy and own a farm or very poor and live in the boonies.
The common reason is snake-shot cartridges typically don't cycle semi-autos. Instead of lugging around a shotgun, it is common for folks around here to carry a revolver (either .357/.38 spl or .45/.410) and alternate hollow-point and snake shot. One gun good for bear, snakes, and "other".
I'm not saying I personally advocate this. I'm not even saying it makes sense. I just have met a lot of people in my previous job who said that's what they did.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 16, 2021 23:59:43 GMT
And this coming from someone with no face...When is the movie coming out? You might be my new hero if you are the good guy! I'm a very private person...
Your FAL is prettier than mine. I built mine myself, so it shows usage wear. My rifle has seen some use as well. I grew up poor and was taught to save my money, buy nice well made things and take care of them. Everyone wants to be the first. At least we are not talking a scope bigger than the pistol. HOWEVER... I agree with almost everything you have said, except...You do know someone who carries a snubbie for more than backup...Me...It's good packing when you are living and working in the woods. O K, OK, when I go to the big city I carry an auto with a couple spare mags. When it's extra hot sometimes I even carry a NAA 22mag in mt pants pocket as a primary. I will admit the NAA makes me walk funny. Not enough counter balance. You made my point on a couple of levels.
Let's face it, if you have a cutting torch and a arc welder you can put anything anywhere! (not that you should) True statementP.S. Is there a trailer we can watch??? Nope Comments above in bold... |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 17, 2021 0:03:45 GMT
I can confirm that I have met many who carry compact revolvers as primary when they are on their wilderness of a property. That means they are either very wealthy and own a farm or very poor and live in the boonies. The common reason is snake-shot cartridges typically don't cycle semi-autos. Instead of lugging around a shotgun, it is common for folks around here to carry a revolver (either .357/.38 spl or .45/.410) and alternate hollow-point and snake shot. One gun good for bear, snakes, and "other". I'm not saying I personally advocate this. I'm not even saying it makes sense. I just have met a lot of people in my previous job who said that's what they did. ^^^^ I totally agree and think the 3" barrel is the minimum barrel length for such duty. I carry a 4" stainless revolver (.357 / .44 mag)when camping/backpacking and when riding my horse up into the mountains. If its snake season the first two rounds in the revolver will be snake shot. The lever action on the saddle, in the same caliber as the revolver, is all soft point ammo. |
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Post by elbufo on Jul 17, 2021 17:02:35 GMT
LN. You are a man of good taste. My FAL is also an STG58(C). built with an Imbel no gear logo upper. Sadly when our over lords deemed that the ejector block was verboten, rather than modifying the fire control group, they created a condition whereupon the weapon "can" fire out of battery. I have been sweating eating a bolt ever since I found this out courtesy of the FAL files.
Also agree with your lever utilizing the same caliber.
Making your point = agreeing with you. But damn it, now, I have this ludicrous desire to mount my NVD on the "J". IT CAN BE DONE MAN!!! Alas, perchance to dream?
Also you have that action hero physique...Hollywood could defiantly be in your future. Just think of all the bucks on consumer kickbacks alone! May I suggest "Eraser" as a good first pic.
Terra, Not wealthy but not poor, just have a nice place in the middle of the woods. I have found that working in the woods is dirty. At the end of the day, cleaning my revolver is a must. Dirt is an enemy of autos much more than revolvers. One of the reasons for the revolver is that if for some reason it does not go bang a second pull rotates a fresh cartridge up. No fiddling around with a rack.
No poisonous snakes in my area, so I am loaded up with stout 158 JSP. Some of the things in the woods can eat you and being snacks is not high on my list of priorities!
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Post by tommyh on Jul 17, 2021 21:35:00 GMT
Putting a carry optic on a 3" five shot revolver seems to be a case of overkill; a solution for a problem that does not exist. I don't know anyone who carries a 2-3" snubbie as anything but a backup gun and / or contact distance self defense. Engaging a threat out to the kind of distance that a carry optic would capability with only 5 rounds seems foolish at best not to mention destroying the ease of concealment/deployment inherent on the snub nosed revolver. But on the other hand.. its YOUR money. IMHO, if you have never had any professional tactical handgun training THAT would be a far better expenditure than putting a carry optic on a snub nosed revolver. It's worth noting that in a gun world looking to put an optic on everything, it has not been done on snub nosed revolvers and probably very good reason... You're not wrong. It would be pretty impractical, but my intention isn't necessarily to have something practical. I already have 3 handguns set up for carry, none of which are revolvers, and I doubt I'll ever buy a revolver that I actually want to carry. Rather, I see it as something I could use for "overtraining." It's often been said that the J frame is one of, if not the, most difficult handguns in the world to shoot well. I see it as more of an unforgiving range tool to practice with. And I'd want an optic 1) for consistency with my other guns with optics; and 2) just because I think it would look cool. You're probably right that there's a reason no one's done it. |
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Post by howler on Jul 17, 2021 21:52:38 GMT
Putting a carry optic on a 3" five shot revolver seems to be a case of overkill; a solution for a problem that does not exist. I don't know anyone who carries a 2-3" snubbie as anything but a backup gun and / or contact distance self defense. Engaging a threat out to the kind of distance that a carry optic would capability with only 5 rounds seems foolish at best not to mention destroying the ease of concealment/deployment inherent on the snub nosed revolver. But on the other hand.. its YOUR money. IMHO, if you have never had any professional tactical handgun training THAT would be a far better expenditure than putting a carry optic on a snub nosed revolver. It's worth noting that in a gun world looking to put an optic on everything, it has not been done on snub nosed revolvers and probably very good reason... You're not wrong. It would be pretty impractical, but my intention isn't necessarily to have something practical. I already have 3 handguns set up for carry, none of which are revolvers, and I doubt I'll ever buy a revolver that I actually want to carry. Rather, I see it as something I could use for "overtraining." It's often been said that the J frame is one of, if not the, most difficult handguns in the world to shoot well. I see it as more of an unforgiving range tool to practice with. And I'd want an optic 1) for consistency with my other guns with optics; and 2) just because I think it would look cool. You're probably right that there's a reason no one's done it. I think the Optic hurts snubbies because it hampers the pocket carry ability more than anything else. Theoretically, it would be an advantage using a snubbie at distance because Optics don't need sight radius, so the shorter barrel is not penalized (though you have a lesser iron co-witness if it's set up for that). |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 18, 2021 17:22:43 GMT
Also you have that action hero physique...Hollywood could defiantly be in your future. Just think of all the bucks on consumer kickbacks alone! May I suggest "Eraser" as a good first pic. Sadly no action hero looks (another reason for my modesty) and at 5'11" I am far too tall for a remake of Erasure or any Arnold/Stallone/ Cruise action movie. |
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