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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 13, 2021 21:44:05 GMT
You have more training and experience than I do, but I thought I'd drop my 2 cents. SightsRed dots for everything. Pick something tough with a great battery life like a Holosun or Trijicon. Only one thing to worry about, rather than a front/rear sight combo, and allows for threat focus while maintaining a higher degree of accuracy. Always run backup cowitness irons as well. I find tritium to not be very helpful because if it's dark enough to see the tritium, I probably can't see the threat. Flat black irons are fine by me, but I prefer a fiber front and black rear. LightsDepends on the circumstances. I've blinded myself with a weapon light just from glare off a white wall, so there can be such a thing as too much light. Generally speaking, I think as long as a light can umbrella-light a room, it's good to go for me. Requirement on any defensive weapon for me; positive target identification is essential. Could be foregone on a carry gun if you are certain that you're never going to be in a dark environment, e.g., running to the supermarket at 2 p.m. for milk, but I'd rather just have it and not worry about it. LasersMakes sense under NODs. Otherwise, use your sights. They do look cool, though. TriggersAgree. Leave em alone. Regarding Red Dots, this is a subject I would ask all involved in this thread as it seems to be "THE" thing on pistols in the last few years what with all the major companies starting to offer OR (Optics Ready) cutouts on the slides. What say you all, is it a game changer (co-witness with irons)? BTW, I'm in the camp of having a light separate from the firearm. Yes it is the thing and clearly advances the performance of shooters in competition. Shooters who never placed overall near me are nipping at my heels. I shoot IDPA stock service pistol (HK VP9) with black iron sights. I will resist as long as my eyes permit it. |
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Post by elbufo on Jul 13, 2021 21:58:43 GMT
Man, I need to eat a large plate of CROW. I had it stuck in my head that the double action pull weight on my J frame was 3 pounds. I got to thinking about it and realized that I was wrong. I busted out the pull gauge and tested it...right at 6 pounds. Single action was just under 1.5 pounds. Getting old sucks! Nothing worse than a bad case of CRS.
I humbly ask for forgiveness for passing on bad information.
Any body have any good recipes for crow?
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 13, 2021 22:03:30 GMT
Man, I need to eat a large plate of CROW. I had it stuck in my head that the double action pull weight on my J frame was 3 pounds. I got to thinking about it and realized that I was wrong. I busted out the pull gauge and tested it...right at 6 pounds. Single action was just under 1.5 pounds. Getting old sucks! Nothing worse than a bad case of CRS. I humbly ask for forgiveness for passing on bad information. Any body have any good recipes for crow? No crow but I have great recipes for spotted owl and golden eagle...  |
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Post by elbufo on Jul 13, 2021 22:07:02 GMT
Fess up... The fowl will probably interchange!
I have been known to eat things that would make a billy goat puke
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 13, 2021 22:19:43 GMT
Fess up... The fowl will probably interchange! I have been known to eat things that would make a billy goat puke If you will eat military food you will eat anything... |
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Post by howler on Jul 13, 2021 22:36:51 GMT
Regarding Red Dots, this is a subject I would ask all involved in this thread as it seems to be "THE" thing on pistols in the last few years what with all the major companies starting to offer OR (Optics Ready) cutouts on the slides. What say you all, is it a game changer (co-witness with irons)? BTW, I'm in the camp of having a light separate from the firearm. Yes it is the thing and clearly advances the performance of shooters in competition. Shooters who never placed overall near me are nipping at my heels. I shoot IDPA stock service pistol (HK VP9) with black iron sights. I will resist as long as my eyes permit it. I've been thinking about getting an HKVP9 Long Slide OR upper conversion kit (around $420).to switch on my existing VP9 &VP40 guns. Kit includes suppressor sights that would co-witness with Optic. Do you like/is it worth it? |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 14, 2021 0:48:55 GMT
Yes it is the thing and clearly advances the performance of shooters in competition. Shooters who never placed overall near me are nipping at my heels. I shoot IDPA stock service pistol (HK VP9) with black iron sights. I will resist as long as my eyes permit it. I've been thinking about getting an HKVP9 Long Slide OR upper conversion kit (around $420).to switch on my existing VP9 &VP40 guns. Kit includes suppressor sights that would co-witness with Optic. Do you like/is it worth it? I was given one of the original VP9L long slide kits...adjustable rear sight and red fiber optic front sight. I like it and am slowly transitioning to it for SSP competition. It seems to have improved the crispness of the trigger on the frame I am using it on. I like the longer sight radius and the change in balance. The red dot fiber optic is growing on me. While I didn't pay for it I am looking to I think it is very much worth it for competition and am looking to get another of the original Long slides |
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Post by howler on Jul 14, 2021 1:13:47 GMT
I've been thinking about getting an HKVP9 Long Slide OR upper conversion kit (around $420).to switch on my existing VP9 &VP40 guns. Kit includes suppressor sights that would co-witness with Optic. Do you like/is it worth it? I was given one of the original VP9L long slide kits...adjustable rear sight and red fiber optic front sight. I like it and am slowly transitioning to it for SSP competition. It seems to have improved the crispness of the trigger on the frame I am using it on. I like the longer sight radius and the change in balance. The red dot fiber optic is growing on me. While I didn't pay for it I am looking to I think it is very much worth it for competition and am looking to get another of the original Long slides Good to hear, as I like that sight radius increase...and the gun looking sexy cool don't hurt.  If I got the long slide kit with the Optics Ready cutout and elevated sights I would wait a while and just use the irons before choosing and putting on a red dot at a later date. I want to be proficient in Irons before Optics, but realize there is a learning curve to that Red Dot as well. |
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 14, 2021 1:20:23 GMT
I was given one of the original VP9L long slide kits...adjustable rear sight and red fiber optic front sight. I like it and am slowly transitioning to it for SSP competition. It seems to have improved the crispness of the trigger on the frame I am using it on. I like the longer sight radius and the change in balance. The red dot fiber optic is growing on me. While I didn't pay for it I am looking to I think it is very much worth it for competition and am looking to get another of the original Long slides Good to hear, as I like that sight radius increase...and the gun looking sexy cool don't hurt. If I got the long slide kit with the Optics Ready cutout and elevated sights I would wait a while and just use the irons before choosing and putting on a red dot at a later date. I want to be proficient in Irons before Optics, but realize there is a learning curve to that Red Dot as well. Learn the gun and build the muscle memory with irons...it will make acquiring the dot easier and faster. |
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Post by tommyh on Jul 14, 2021 15:19:42 GMT
Regarding Red Dots, this is a subject I would ask all involved in this thread as it seems to be "THE" thing on pistols in the last few years what with all the major companies starting to offer OR (Optics Ready) cutouts on the slides. What say you all, is it a game changer (co-witness with irons)? BTW, I'm in the camp of having a light separate from the firearm. The single most tangible advantage that dots provide, imo, is allowing for target-focused shooting. First, it's more instinctual. You can train yourself to draw your eye back to the front blade, but who knows what'll happen if God forbid you have to actually use your gun. Focusing on the threat is evolutionarily programmed into our brains and the dot lets us work with evolution rather than against it. Second, on a fundamental level, it just lets me see more clearly. I'm focusing on the target, so I'm much less likely to miss subtle changes in their movements or behavior. Definitely learn irons first. It's a very important skill to have for if/when something goes wrong with a dot. Lenses break, emitters get obstructed, batteries die. I'm not one to shy away from tech because of what might break (after all, a drop could shear off a front or rear sight, and then you're just as SOL) but I recognize that a dot is slightly more prone to failure than irons. Also, irons are a universal skill. A proficient iron sight shooter can pick up a gun with a dot and figure it out, but someone who's only ever shot a dot will not necessarily be able to do the same. I also think a light separate from a weapon is important, but I keep one on the gun too. Weapon light gives you a good two-handed grip on the gun while also ensuring you'll never forget the light somewhere. |
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Post by tommyh on Jul 14, 2021 15:22:03 GMT
Man, I need to eat a large plate of CROW. I had it stuck in my head that the double action pull weight on my J frame was 3 pounds. I got to thinking about it and realized that I was wrong. I busted out the pull gauge and tested it...right at 6 pounds. Single action was just under 1.5 pounds. Getting old sucks! Nothing worse than a bad case of CRS. I humbly ask for forgiveness for passing on bad information. Any body have any good recipes for crow? I've long considered getting a J-frame and mounting a micro red dot onto it. Unfortunately, almost no one makes red dot mounts for revolvers, and literally no one makes them for the J-frame. |
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Post by elbufo on Jul 14, 2021 16:37:46 GMT
The J frame is kinda lacking meat on the top strap. The 357 3 inch with adjustable sights does have a removable sight mount. It might be possible to fab up a mount for a dot. The slot sight models might be able to be cut for a dove tail, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Wimpy sights is one of the reasons I went with a CT grip laser. I do not rely on the laser and predominately use the irons. There are times however when the laser is a game changer...If and only if you have spent range time learning how to use it. Again lasers do not negate the necessity for sight discipline. It's kinda like having backup irons on a scoped rifle, there when you need them.
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Post by tommyh on Jul 14, 2021 20:07:34 GMT
I've seen one revolver dot mount that involved welding on an optic plate rather than removing material, like is generally done on a semi auto. I think an additive method would be the best way to do it, but my local gunsmith doesn't have a welder. Gotta find one that does.
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Post by elbufo on Jul 14, 2021 21:00:02 GMT
Might that not blow the heat treating? Not an expert on the areas of a hand gun are heat treated. If it is doable tig or perhaps laser welding by a jeweler???
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 15, 2021 0:37:30 GMT
Lord Newport... Now we are getting somewhere. You got me beat hands down on training. I look forward to bantering with you. For those interesting in state of the art training from long established professionals in the field that I can personally vouch for; Gunsite Academy: www.gunsite.com/Thunder Ranch: thunderranchinc.com/Direct Action Group: dag-usa.com/ |
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Post by nerdthenord on Jul 15, 2021 1:08:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 6:55:18 GMT
I think to use a laser or not is one of those debates that never gets settled. I don't use lasers, personally, as I train on sights. I find new shooters go to lasers thinking they are easier, but with poor follow-through you can end up chasing a dot (that could be aiming high into the sky and, therefore, invisible to you. Lasers for the well trained would be fine, but unless you have a reason for needing one (back-up for a magnified optic, NVGs, or what-not) sticking with your irons works just fine. That said, I am a huge fan of weapon mounted lights (as long as they are so many lumens they are painful to look in the general direction of). That is also very controversial, but there is also the question of how you train with weapon lights. An ex-Marine friend of mine introduced me to the flash-and-move method, for example. The accessory debate is truly never-ending. My personal opinion is to go ahead and use them but do not depend on them. Not that they are junk, but they just cannot replace good marksmanship only help it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 6:58:39 GMT
Man I love folks of few words...Great way to share information. I'll start...20 years military. Awarded multiple marksman medals Squadron armorer and general shooter. Been around it a while...Now of course, none of this can be proven. But hey... Your turn! Thank you for your service. I greatly appreciate it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 7:05:16 GMT
Man I love folks of few words...Great way to share information. I'll start...20 years military. Awarded multiple marksman medals Squadron armorer and general shooter. Been around it a while...Now of course, none of this can be proven. But hey... Your turn! Squadron? Air Force Special Warfare or PJ? My military experience didn't really involve small arms. USNR ultimately SWO qualified. I did earn sharpshooter pistol qualification while in NROTC. Picked up marksmanship rifle during my 3 years of active duty. Only interacted with small arms (pistols) on duty while overseeing armed watches on the quarterdeck (in port). Sought out extensive small arms tactical training over the last 30 years with several tactical training schools including Gunsite Ranch (back when Col. Cooper was still involved), Thunder Ranch (Texas) and Direct Action Group in Southern California. I have been competing in IPSC/USPSA/IDPA competitions for over 20 years. Shot the last two Soldier of Fortune 3 gun competitions in LV. Knew and trained with Michael Harries for several years in his Desert Marksman program. Typically shoot two to three IDPA matches a month for the last six years. IDPA classified expert and IDPA qualified Range Safety officer. I too have been around it for a while. Thank you for your service. I greatly appreciate it. I have two cousins, one is still in the Navy. Last that I heard he is a CWO4. My other cousin got discharged after being injured during maneuvers on board his ship. One time his his ship got ordered to assist the USCG due to a very large drug seizure on the ocean. The USCG cutter was too small for all of the cocaine. So the USN sent my cousin's ship. There was so much the sailors made furniture out of it so that they could sit down while guarding it. I used to have a photograph of my cousin sitting on it while holding a shotgun. His parents were not gun owners. They were not anti-gun. They just did not own any. After his Navy boot camp he told my da that he loved shooting and he now owns several guns. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 7:07:53 GMT
Man I love folks of few words...Great way to share information. I'll start...20 years military. Awarded multiple marksman medals Squadron armorer and general shooter. Been around it a while...Now of course, none of this can be proven. But hey... Your turn! Squadron? Air Force Special Warfare or PJ? My military experience didn't really involve small arms. USNR ultimately SWO qualified. I did earn sharpshooter pistol qualification while in NROTC. Picked up marksmanship rifle during my 3 years of active duty. Only interacted with small arms (pistols) on duty while overseeing armed watches on the quarterdeck (in port). Sought out extensive small arms tactical training over the last 30 years with several tactical training schools including Gunsite Ranch (back when Col. Cooper was still involved), Thunder Ranch (Texas) and Direct Action Group in Southern California. I have been competing in IPSC/USPSA/IDPA competitions for over 20 years. Shot the last two Soldier of Fortune 3 gun competitions in LV. Knew and trained with Michael Harries for several years in his Desert Marksman program. Typically shoot two to three IDPA matches a month for the last six years. IDPA classified expert and IDPA qualified Range Safety officer. I too have been around it for a while. I have always wanted to enter an IDPA competition but never had the chance. My first concealed carry instructors also wanted me to become an instructor. I actually seriously considered doing that. |
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If I got the long slide kit with the Optics Ready cutout and elevated sights I would wait a while and just use the irons before choosing and putting on a red dot at a later date. I want to be proficient in Irons before Optics, but realize there is a learning curve to that Red Dot as well.
Things have changed!