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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 0:11:17 GMT
Why is it that people say that smoking and drinking is bad but when is comes to our master, sensi, si fo, they all do it? Is it really bad to do those things and not be good in martial arts? Can someone be really that good and do thse things?
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Post by YlliwCir on Jul 12, 2008 0:16:37 GMT
Drinking in moderation shouldn't be an issue, drinking to excess can lead to physical and legal problems. Smoking is bad for a persons health, it too can cause physical issues. Both can affect a persons physical performance, so in that sense it could cause a person to be less than their best at martial arts. Just my opinion.
Most professionals agree it's easier not to start these habits than to stop them.
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Post by randomnobody on Jul 12, 2008 0:19:09 GMT
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What?
Excessive smoking and drinking have been shown, or so they say, to increase the risk of various cancers and other diseases, but in moderation there is no real threat. As far as the whole "Master X-sensei" or what have you, smoking and drinking are just things that people do, whether it's good or bad. I personally partake of the occasional brewed stuffs, but I've never smoked. Save that one puff of a pipe I tried when I was four or so... I know several people who take either to the extreme and they'll probably find themselves in a bad place for it one day.
The key to these is moderation and keeping the body healthy otherwise. Keep yourself fit and get regular checkups for everything and you'll be fine. Lounge around on your arse all day while smoking and drinking packs per day then you'll die much younger than somebody who didn't; but it won't necessarily be the booze or smoke that got you.
Still not sure what your question was...
Oh, hi Rick. I see you beat me to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2008 0:22:34 GMT
Question is... do they just teach... or do they fight competitively too. In the SCA I don't know any Knights who are competitive and smoke. Drinking is another story though. It seems to effect performance less, although I again, I don't know any knights who are alcoholics, just occasional drunks.
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Post by jasmineleaf on Aug 5, 2008 15:22:02 GMT
Drinking on moderation should not be a problem. However, unless you smoke VERY VERY lightly - even in moderation, smoking is very dangerous to your health.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Aug 5, 2008 16:11:43 GMT
smoking and drinking do not limit a person's ability to learn a skill (unless they are trying to learn drunk) but they can and will have a negative impact on one's health if done often enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 16:23:34 GMT
There are immediate results of drinking - of course getting buzzed or drunk or the like among them. There are also long term effects, even for moderate or light drinkers (engorged livers, damaged kidneys, etc.). Also it makes your breath smell.
Smoking has fewer immediate negative effects(tobacco doesn't intoxicate, though marijuana does), but much more long term effects, even for very light smokers - things like throat cancer aren't the only things either. Even after a relatively short time of light-moderate smoking can really have a large negative impact on your lung capacity and your ability to simply breathe clearly.
Frankly, my opinion is I'm not going to take in a substance my body doesn't need at all, that will also damage my body. Every drink you have has an effect on your body functions and mental capacity - every drink affects your reaction time and your ability to think - even well before most people would admit to being drunk or even buzzed.
There's really no reason to smoke other than society influences or peer pressure - I mean, what idiot would just on his own decide to start inhaling carcinogens and tar? But that's the cool thing to do, and those who do it say it's really not that bad, when really, lots of people have been hurt by it, and that's a chance I don't want to take. Other things, like cardiovascular fitness and lung capacity, are not chances - simply results of the activity, and I don't want those things either.
A lot of the Sensei I see who smoke came from a different era where there was much less education about the negative effects of smoking.
As for drinking, nobody really seems to care about the negative effects, they just do it anyway.
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Post by rammstein on Aug 5, 2008 16:35:51 GMT
There are better ways to destroy your life than cigarettes and alcohol.
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Post by YlliwCir on Aug 5, 2008 17:12:34 GMT
No poisons in the temple. ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Just say no. ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by ShooterMike on Aug 5, 2008 17:27:50 GMT
I totally agree with the aforementioned total negatives of tobacco use, especially smoking. However, there's a significant body of evidence that shows some alcohol intake can be beneficial to some people. For your consideration, here's an article from the Harvard School of Public Health that discusses the effects of moderate alcohol consumption on health, particularly for older folks. Since I'm joining this group of the population, I pay attention to stuff like this. ;D
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Post by YlliwCir on Aug 5, 2008 17:43:49 GMT
Okay, I suspend my statement about poison concerning responsible use of alcohol.
It also has some postive social aspects. When used by women it has at times made me better looking. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 17:58:58 GMT
And, I'll post it if I can find it, there have been studies done on certain subcultures that abstain from both smoking and drinking, and also the consumption of liquids containing tannic acids and other chemicals (things like black tea and coffee) and found their average life expectancy is quite a bit higher than others - even those that only drink or smoke in extreme moderation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 18:02:12 GMT
I like what this says(taken from Mike's Link):
"1. If you don't drink, there's no need to start. For some people—especially pregnant women, people recovering from alcohol addiction, people with liver disease, and people taking one or more medications that interact with alcohol—the risks of drinking outweigh the benefits. There are other ways to boost your heart health and lower your risk of diabetes, such as getting more active, staying at a healthy weight, or eating healthy fats and whole grains."
Emphasis added.
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Post by rammstein on Aug 5, 2008 18:09:02 GMT
Adam, why not do both?
Drink a tad AND excercise? Wouldn't the benefits be twofold?
I think you said before somewhere that you were mormon (I may be totally mistaken) and I know that mormons are against alcohol - but the entire rest of the population seems to be casual drinkers. Maybe just a glass of wine at dinner, a beer or three every month - nothing harmful. It's this very mild use of alcohol that can be beneficial. Drinking to excess is pretty stupid though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 18:56:13 GMT
You only live once, if your idea of enjoying life is smoking and drinking then go for it. Conversly if your idea of enjoying life is to prolong it as much as possible by not smoking or drinking the go for it. When all is said and done, youll probably look back on a life with a satisfied view where you accepted your desires and lived with them than constantly battling against your will to change something you really dont want to, and vice versa...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 1:14:39 GMT
I have done a cost-benefit analysis on the negative effects of alcohol on my life weighed up against the positives, and have come to the solid conclusion that I'm going to keep drinking.
Smoking, I don't get though (never have). It's not like nicotine is even that pleasant a drug.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 2:12:08 GMT
I have quit only five things in my life. One: My job in Texas. Reason: It did not pay enough to sustain me./ Two: My job in North Carolina. Reason. I was under an arsehole of a boss (total by the way) and I had to quit or eventually get fired./ Three: Wrestling in high school. No reason. I just wussed out. <.</ Four: Studying Tang Soo Do. Reason. I had gotten an injury in my groin area./ Five: Smoking. It was causing me to have breathing trouble. Or it would have if I continued.
I do not drink much, but I do drink. I keep it to a minimum most of the time, though I have gotten intoxicated on occasion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 5:02:03 GMT
No substance in itself is bad. Every substance on the Earth has an effect and can be used beneficially or not, as its effect just is. Every substance can be used for healing or ill intent. It is a matter of having knowledge of substances and their effects.
Abuse of any substance what so ever will probably lead to imbalances.
(You only live once? This can be diputed. ) I don't think one can state this catergorically. Karma is a pivotal point in discussing reincarnation and we even use it here and dish it out for good reasons but this word and its meaning comes from deep esoteric roots.
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Post by rammstein on Aug 6, 2008 6:06:37 GMT
You can only experience this life once. How's that?
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 6, 2008 6:33:05 GMT
That can also be disputed, if you're into that. ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I like beer, beer likes me..what more could we want?
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