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Post by Verity on Nov 19, 2017 3:22:20 GMT
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Post by Verity on Nov 19, 2017 15:51:55 GMT
I'm sure Steve Huerta, Jimbo Curry, or Wes Beem can change the grip to your color. Wes can also sharpen it to, what I've been told, is SUUUUUPER sharp. No, not super sharp... God-cutting sharp (tm) 😂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:10:28 GMT
Verity - Wow. Those are incredible and my favorite medieval sword designs. My goal is to have XIIa swords like yours in display cases like yours. Very nice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 18:12:23 GMT
One thing I am finding out, is the lack of choices of the Oakeshott Type XIIa swords!?! It's also very frustrating to find swords with very nice, wide, long and fullered blades with only a single hand grip!?! When is someone going to expand upon MRLs create your own sword program, to allow for hand and a half to 2 hand grips and XIIa type blades!?! I agree. XIIa is my favorite type and is the most prevalent in historical extant works, but only a handful of large XIIa’s out there. Your example from Albion squire which is their squire line Baron (next gen line)... the next gen Baron blades are what Christian Fletcher bases his Winter Warden on. He hand picks cream-of-the-crop baron blades thanks to his rapport with Albion and does all the cutlery work on the bare blade selected. I LOVE my Winter Warden. BUT. If you want the undisputed master of handling in terms of massive destructive power then you need to find yourself an Angus Trim XIIa.4. My “Blackwater” is a custom of such a thing. It has nearly the same dimensions as your squire line / baron / Winter Warden BUT... handling goes to the XIIa.4 hands down. It is about 2” less blade length and is 2.25” at the base instead of the 2.3” but has less profile taper and so is wider at the end of the fuller than the Baron type blade. Dynamic balance of the Atrim edges out my Winter Warden as well. Not by a mile, as the Baron type swords handle very well, but it does beat it. Keep me posted on your search! I love XIIa’s as Fal can attest to... 😜 I also posted a thread a while back on XIIa and XIIIa type swords and there was a good discussion on their practice and use against armor of the period and we theorized on its military application. Love the XIIa war swords of old! And yes. Albion uses 6150... (no NOT 5160. They are two different steels). Their “blend” is supposedly proprietary but it is AISI 6150. Great steel. But as with all things. More is in the heat treatment. Oh yes. Angus trim XIIa would be a prized possession. Wish he still produced them. I am thinking after I pay down my mega medical bills enough next year, I will be on the hunt for one.
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Post by Verity on Nov 19, 2017 19:19:33 GMT
He is making them again from time to time. He has a FB Page or talk to Tom Kinder.
I got my Atrim XVIa.3 from him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 19:50:55 GMT
Got it. Thanks.
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Post by Verity on Nov 19, 2017 19:59:01 GMT
Absolutely recommend the XIIa.4 I own 3 atrims, a XIIa.2, a XIIa.4 and a XVIa.3 The XIIa.4 is in my top 3 best handling swords of any “weight class” And probably my most devastating (or tied for first place with Winter Warden)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 22:29:42 GMT
XIIa 4. Got it. Thanks.
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Post by Verity on Nov 20, 2017 1:53:04 GMT
If you look in my collection thread under Blackwater I have the link to Lonely Wolf’s full review of it. I purchased Blackwater (my XIIa.4) off of him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 11:09:44 GMT
I thought I had my master sword plan finally completed. I am about to put deposits down on two (2) Albion Squire Line swords including the Great Sword and the Bastard sword, instead of just one Next Generation Baron sword. However, I just read from comments about both lines of swords that, the Squire Line is based on a thicker edge blunt blade? It can be sharpened but creates the dreaded secondary bevel and does not cut as well as the Next Gen swords? Supposely, the Next Gen swords are built with a blade with a thinner edge designed to be sharpened, therefore no secondary bevel and is a better cutter because they can be sharpened to a perfect appleseed edge?
Can anyone clarify this blade edge issue for me? Thanks.
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Post by Verity on Dec 7, 2017 14:08:10 GMT
I thought I had my master sword plan finally completed. I am about to put deposits down on two (2) Albion Squire Line swords including the Great Sword and the Bastard sword, instead of just one Next Generation Baron sword. However, I just read from comments about both lines of swords that, the Squire Line is based on a thicker edge blunt blade? It can be sharpened but creates the dreaded secondary bevel and does not cut as well as the Next Gen swords? Supposely, the Next Gen swords are built with a blade with a thinner edge designed to be sharpened, therefore no secondary bevel and is a better cutter because they can be sharpened to a perfect appleseed edge? Can anyone clarify this blade edge issue for me? Thanks. Dunno... never had a squire line in-hand. My only experience with an Albion blade thus far has been via my Winter Warden. Maybe the VA sword of war is the better option? (And does have the full kit as an option if you so choose). The craftsman line of it is even something I am considering. That sword was based on Angus’ XIIa.4 in the first place... and now Sonny or his son makes the blades for the craftsman line
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Post by Faldarin on Dec 7, 2017 14:20:45 GMT
I thought I had my master sword plan finally completed. I am about to put deposits down on two (2) Albion Squire Line swords including the Great Sword and the Bastard sword, instead of just one Next Generation Baron sword. However, I just read from comments about both lines of swords that, the Squire Line is based on a thicker edge blunt blade? It can be sharpened but creates the dreaded secondary bevel and does not cut as well as the Next Gen swords? Supposely, the Next Gen swords are built with a blade with a thinner edge designed to be sharpened, therefore no secondary bevel and is a better cutter because they can be sharpened to a perfect appleseed edge? Can anyone clarify this blade edge issue for me? Thanks. Dunno... never had a squire line in-hand. My only experience with an Albion blade thus far has been via my Winter Warden. Maybe the VA sword of war is the better option? (And does have the full kit as an option if you so choose). The craftsman line of it is even something I am considering. That sword was based on Angus’ XIIa.4 in the first place... and now Sonny or his son makes the blades for the craftsman line Going to agree with this... Sonny's Craftsman line has yet to be tested - but The War Sword is a huge monster. (Don't trust the stats too much on his page, not certain they're correct for his craftsman line yet.) If you don't want a scabbard, it's a better deal than the Albion. Well, even if you do want the scabbard it's a better deal - because Sonny is well known for that. One thing I will bring up, the whole edge thing is a giant can of worms. 'Better cutter' is almost as subjective as 'better handling' - all depending on the types of swords and targets. Certain edge types are harder to sharpen, and such... but it's a very subjective thing. But to finish off that note - I've never had experience with the Squire line either.
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Post by Verity on Dec 7, 2017 14:25:45 GMT
Dunno... never had a squire line in-hand. My only experience with an Albion blade thus far has been via my Winter Warden. Maybe the VA sword of war is the better option? (And does have the full kit as an option if you so choose). The craftsman line of it is even something I am considering. That sword was based on Angus’ XIIa.4 in the first place... and now Sonny or his son makes the blades for the craftsman line Going to agree with this... Sonny's Craftsman line has yet to be tested - but The War Sword is a huge monster. (Don't trust the stats too much on his page, not certain they're correct for his craftsman line yet.) If you don't want a scabbard, it's a better deal than the Albion. Well, even if you do want the scabbard it's a better deal - because Sonny is well known for that. One thing I will bring up, the whole edge thing is a giant can of worms. 'Better cutter' is almost as subjective as 'better handling' - all depending on the types of swords and targets. Certain edge types are harder to sharpen, and such... but it's a very subjective thing. But to finish off that note - I've never had experience with the Squire line either. I believe the specs pretty closely on this particular sword. The sword originally (when it first was a signature line) was based on Angus’ XIIa.4 Blade and christian fletcher’s scabbard and hilt designs. (Christian then made 4 Austrian War swords actually ON Trim’s blades; Dave Kelly owns one of them... lucky....)... this pattern was true with all signature line original swords. The specs on this sword are nearly identical to that of an Atrim XIIa.4, with the two exceptions of the PoB is about 1” further out and the blade overall about 1/2” shorter. Weight and blade dimensions appear to be otherwise identical. I am SERIOUSLY considering the craftsman line war sword if for no other reason than to compare it to my Gus original upon which it is based (in my case: Blackwater).
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Post by Verity on Dec 7, 2017 15:26:12 GMT
Going to agree with this... Sonny's Craftsman line has yet to be tested - but The War Sword is a huge monster. (Don't trust the stats too much on his page, not certain they're correct for his craftsman line yet.) If you don't want a scabbard, it's a better deal than the Albion. Well, even if you do want the scabbard it's a better deal - because Sonny is well known for that. One thing I will bring up, the whole edge thing is a giant can of worms. 'Better cutter' is almost as subjective as 'better handling' - all depending on the types of swords and targets. Certain edge types are harder to sharpen, and such... but it's a very subjective thing. But to finish off that note - I've never had experience with the Squire line either. I believe the specs pretty closely on this particular sword. The sword originally (when it first was a signature line) was based on Angus’ XIIa.4 Blade and christian fletcher’s scabbard and hilt designs. (Christian then made 4 Austrian War swords actually ON Trim’s blades; Dave Kelly owns one of them... lucky....)... this pattern was true with all signature line original swords. The specs on this sword are nearly identical to that of an Atrim XIIa.4, with the two exceptions of the PoB is about 1” further out and the blade overall about 1/2” shorter. Weight and blade dimensions appear to be otherwise identical. I am SERIOUSLY considering the craftsman line war sword if for no other reason than to compare it to my Gus original upon which it is based (in my case: Blackwater). Incidentally I already have all my custom options picked out and the inscription (etching) for the blade picked out if I were to get one... A little homage to Fred Saberhagen while honoring the sword’s German heritage... my German is rusty so not sure if I have the translation exactly right but: Side 1: zerschmetternde Schwerter und Splitterspeere; keiner steht vor dem Schildbrecher Side 2: mein Punkt die Quelle der Waise tranën mein Rand der Witwenhersteller (Extra points for those who get the reference...)
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 7, 2017 16:36:14 GMT
That's German with some mistakes, sometimes not clear what it should say, perhaps I can help? What is the english text?
Edit: found it, Book of Swords:
Ich zerschmettere Schwerter und zersplittere Speere. Nichts besteht vor Schildbrecher. Mein Ort ist die Quelle von Waisentränen. Meine Schneide der Witwenmacher.
"Ort" is the special german term for the "point/tip" of a sword but also means "place". "Spitze" of a sword is a more common term for "tip" but I think "Ort" fits better.
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Post by Verity on Dec 7, 2017 16:42:22 GMT
That's German with some mistakes, sometimes not clear what it should say, perhaps I can help? What is the english text? I did say my German is crippled at best. (My ancestors would be so disappointed in me!) Want as close a translation to this passage from the Song of Swords as possible: “I shatter swords and splinter spears, none stand before Shieldbreaker My point’s the fount of orphans’ tears, my edge the widow maker” To go with a VA craftsman War Sword with the following setup:
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 7, 2017 18:01:07 GMT
Added the translation in my post above, crossing posts unfortunately.
One question: "none stand before Shieldbreaker" Is the meaning: "no man can stand in front of Shieldbreaker" or :"nothing persists Shieldbreaker"?
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Post by Verity on Dec 7, 2017 18:51:15 GMT
Added the translation in my post above, crossing posts unfortunately. Thanks! Question... for length... is it possible to get away with omitting the “I” (ich) at the beginning of line 1? This gets the text of the two lines more equal
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 7, 2017 19:15:07 GMT
It's possible without the "Ich". Still have a question, posted above, crossed again. I wait for your answer and make it right then.
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Post by Verity on Dec 7, 2017 19:20:38 GMT
Added the translation in my post above, crossing posts unfortunately. One question: "none stand before Shieldbreaker" Is the meaning: "no man can stand in front of Shieldbreaker" or :"nothing persists Shieldbreaker"? More like nothing persists, withstands or resists as a notion. Some context of the fictional sword. Shieldbreaker is a fictional sword from the Book of Swords trilogy by Fred Saberhagen. It is the quintessential “unstoppable” weapon in that any weapon that opposes it is utterly destroyed along with the wielder. Its only weakness is being opposed by someone unarmed at which point its wielder is impotent. It is the Achilles heel of the weapon.
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