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Post by Ifrit on Jun 26, 2017 2:43:09 GMT
That could actually probably be used for hockey too. Though to be honest, unless these guys are on ice, this might be more like LaCross, another Canadian past time. I love LaCross more than hockey
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Post by shogan42 on Jun 26, 2017 15:52:01 GMT
Meh. I want to see Battle Curling.  |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 26, 2017 16:23:12 GMT
Here you can see the world champions of 2016!  |
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Post by sevicler on Jun 26, 2017 16:57:42 GMT
Here you can see the world champions of 2016! Rifles are illegal in Pike Hockey  Unless they only use the bayonets, in which case, holy hell |
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Post by ramses1079 on Jun 27, 2017 1:47:51 GMT
I LOVED Lacross in high school....even more than football......and I love me some football (the American kind)! WOW Andi, is that part of the Hogwarts Militia (the threatening ladies brandishing brooms)??!! LOL Oh and growing up in Boston, rifles were standard issue, just so you know.....bayonets you had to bring from home!
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 28, 2017 3:58:49 GMT
Lacross is the best. I never learned to skate, so Lacross was a great way for me to play hockey. Plus I could use that net/stick thing to shoot goals far better than I could use a hockey stick to slap shot. In floor hockey I was best at defense, but I could actually score goals in Lacross.
Anyway, back to the thread. What kind of fantasy world are we going for? I always like to use obscured elements of technology in my style of fantasy, but I am assuming were just gonna go flat out tolkien?
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Post by adambomb on Jun 28, 2017 4:17:36 GMT
One thing I would love to see this world address is something not really talked about in fantasy. You see all of these weapons inspired by wildly varying eras. For example, you'll find something like a Type X being used in the same day and age as a Type XVIII. While this is almost definitely the product of people not doing their homework, it would be neat if there was some reason for this. Maybe some awful civilization-resetting event happens every millennia, so armor and weapons only get so advanced before the knowledge is lost again? Maybe civilization has stagnated and weapon/armor development is very very slow? After all, in LotR, you see Anduril, an ancient weapon, being used alongside other swords that really aren't that much different despite being thousands of years newer.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 28, 2017 5:04:52 GMT
That is a really good observation Adambomb. Amazing point.
Another concept of fantasy I have always enjoyed is based on the way we interpret the past. The way we interpret it may be nothing like how it actually was. But our interpretation is a form of fantasy as well.
With this in mind, I always wanted to take a core concept, and based the entire world on how it might have been interpreted.
Here is an example: Someone goes back in the past with new technology. They get stranded and use their knowledge to share many advances in technology, wearing a modern day space suit, arriving in a flying time machine. But it is written as a man in bright white clothing comes to their lands on a cloud and uses his powers to make food sprout from the ground and he crafts them magic weapons that could break their primitive wood and stone weapons of the time. The reality? He came in a ship, planted seeds, wore a space suit and took pieces of his ship that he sharpened into crude swords to quickly defend against a rival tribe, the base of his ship being used as an observatory to see the stars for the next conjunction or to watch weather or whatever, but to them, it was a magic cavern which he could use to see the future,
We just make it exactly as they interpret it.
Doesn't gotta be a time traveler though
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 28, 2017 5:09:29 GMT
Fantasy usually remains for aeons in a knightly world with mail and plate armor, shields and no firearms.
So there is no need to make big changes in the swords and no type is getting totaly useless.
So the different types are used to highlight different nations/tribes/races.
But usually you see the pattern for those people.
It's the same with all those maps to make sure no one thinks its medieval europe.
Too less phantasy in fantasy!
After LotR I couldn't read such stuff anymore until GoT changed the game for me.
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Post by sevicler on Jun 28, 2017 6:26:37 GMT
www.springhole.net/writing/more-believable-sword-and-sorcery-fantasy-worlds.htmHere's an article addressing the 'fantasy is forever set in medieval times without technological progression' cliche. It also addresses the connection between Magic and Technology and why they shouldn't hamper one another's advancement. Its a really good article written by a talented author. If it were up to me, though, I would love to read a fantasy sword and sorcery tale set in Colonial/Imperialism/Mercantilism eras
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 28, 2017 6:38:09 GMT
www.springhole.net/writing/more-believable-sword-and-sorcery-fantasy-worlds.htmHere's an article addressing the 'fantasy is forever set in medieval times without technological progression' cliche. It also addresses the connection between Magic and Technology and why they shouldn't hamper one another's advancement. Its a really good article written by a talented author. If it were up to me, though, I would love to read a fantasy sword and sorcery tale set in Colonial/Imperialism/Mercantilism eras Word! I never thought of that, but thats amazing! Why not a Colonial era fantasy? Even if the chosen swords are medieval in build, they can be ancient weapons in this time. Even light sabers were an out dated weapon in Star Wars |
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Post by sevicler on Jun 28, 2017 6:42:52 GMT
www.springhole.net/writing/more-believable-sword-and-sorcery-fantasy-worlds.htmHere's an article addressing the 'fantasy is forever set in medieval times without technological progression' cliche. It also addresses the connection between Magic and Technology and why they shouldn't hamper one another's advancement. Its a really good article written by a talented author. If it were up to me, though, I would love to read a fantasy sword and sorcery tale set in Colonial/Imperialism/Mercantilism eras Word! I never thought of that, but thats amazing! Why not a Colonial era fantasy? Even if the chosen swords are medieval in build, they can be ancient weapons in this time. Even light sabers were an out dated weapon in Star Wars Actually, the lore on my swords are set in colonial era too hahaha. My personal favorite is #9 though its a bit long and only serves as a prequel of sorts. I'm still wondering where I'm gonna take the story though. |
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 28, 2017 6:45:13 GMT
Word! I never thought of that, but thats amazing! Why not a Colonial era fantasy? Even if the chosen swords are medieval in build, they can be ancient weapons in this time. Even light sabers were an out dated weapon in Star Wars Actually, the lore on my swords are set in colonial era too hahaha. My personal favorite is #9 though its a bit long and only serves as a prequel of sorts. I'm still wondering where I'm gonna take the story though. I think I have some that are set in that era. But say a medieval one was picked, then it could work too in this context |
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Post by sevicler on Jun 28, 2017 6:49:24 GMT
Actually, the lore on my swords are set in colonial era too hahaha. My personal favorite is #9 though its a bit long and only serves as a prequel of sorts. I'm still wondering where I'm gonna take the story though. I think I have some that are set in that era. But say a medieval one was picked, then it could work too in this context Oh yeah. We can have them as ancient weapons whose fighting styles are very uncommon but can turn the tide of battle in a pinch when used in the right hands because no one can effectively fight them with the more commonplace melee weapons. After all, sometimes low-tech beats high tech |
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Post by ramses1079 on Jun 28, 2017 13:55:03 GMT
One thing I would love to see this world address is something not really talked about in fantasy. You see all of these weapons inspired by wildly varying eras. For example, you'll find something like a Type X being used in the same day and age as a Type XVIII. While this is almost definitely the product of people not doing their homework, it would be neat if there was some reason for this. Maybe some awful civilization-resetting event happens every millennia, so armor and weapons only get so advanced before the knowledge is lost again? Maybe civilization has stagnated and weapon/armor development is very very slow? After all, in LotR, you see Anduril, an ancient weapon, being used alongside other swords that really aren't that much different despite being thousands of years newer. Hi Adam! I played a Role Playing game (not THAT kind pervs.....at least not in this instance) called "RIFTS" where actual rifts in the time/space continuum would pull medieval knights, cowboys, ancient Egyptians, Celtic warriors.....etc; into a "present day" world setting. |
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jun 28, 2017 14:21:08 GMT
One thing I would love to see this world address is something not really talked about in fantasy. You see all of these weapons inspired by wildly varying eras. For example, you'll find something like a Type X being used in the same day and age as a Type XVIII. While this is almost definitely the product of people not doing their homework, it would be neat if there was some reason for this. Maybe some awful civilization-resetting event happens every millennia, so armor and weapons only get so advanced before the knowledge is lost again? Maybe civilization has stagnated and weapon/armor development is very very slow? After all, in LotR, you see Anduril, an ancient weapon, being used alongside other swords that really aren't that much different despite being thousands of years newer. Little late to this little discussion, but it wouldn't even need to be every few millennia. If you look at how long it took much of the Oakeshott typology to develop (say about 1100 (Type XI, as Type X is mostly an extension of Migration era swords) to 1450 (Type XXI), so a period of 350 years), a reset could come much more frequently and still allow for significant weapon development. That in mind, I'm a(n aspiring) writer and actually have a similar reset button on one of my worlds; well, a sorta reset button as it doesn't destroy civilization or the knowledge of weapon crafting, but it does result in hundreds of thousands (if not millions, albeit spread across two continents) of deaths and widespread destruction every 250 years, so technological progress stagnates for a couple decades while society rebuilds. This event only affects a single hemisphere of the world, so while one is at the equivalent of the late-19th century, the other has just invented the musket. Even 100+ years later and with imports to reverse engineer, they still use swords and barely use revolvers. It allows me to have a story with multiple types of swords, though I still try to keep them roughly in the same time period. |
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jun 28, 2017 14:29:45 GMT
That is a really good observation Adambomb. Amazing point. Another concept of fantasy I have always enjoyed is based on the way we interpret the past. The way we interpret it may be nothing like how it actually was. But our interpretation is a form of fantasy as well. With this in mind, I always wanted to take a core concept, and based the entire world on how it might have been interpreted. Here is an example: Someone goes back in the past with new technology. They get stranded and use their knowledge to share many advances in technology, wearing a modern day space suit, arriving in a flying time machine. But it is written as a man in bright white clothing comes to their lands on a cloud and uses his powers to make food sprout from the ground and he crafts them magic weapons that could break their primitive wood and stone weapons of the time. The reality? He came in a ship, planted seeds, wore a space suit and took pieces of his ship that he sharpened into crude swords to quickly defend against a rival tribe, the base of his ship being used as an observatory to see the stars for the next conjunction or to watch weather or whatever, but to them, it was a magic cavern which he could use to see the future, We just make it exactly as they interpret it. Doesn't gotta be a time traveler though (Sorry for the double post, I just felt both were worth replying to individually.) Might I point you to this movie? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlander_(film)It's pretty unknown as far as I can tell, but it does most of the things you mentioned save swapping "time traveler" with "spaceman". It focuses more on the aspect of crafting superior weapons than anything due to being inspired by the tale of Beowulf, but it maintains that mystique of the advanced traveler arriving and presenting the natives with superior technology with his identity being misconstrued by their limited knowledge of the world. Also, it's funny as hell that the first spoken word in the movie is the f-word. |
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Post by sevicler on Jun 28, 2017 17:35:20 GMT
One thing I would love to see this world address is something not really talked about in fantasy. You see all of these weapons inspired by wildly varying eras. For example, you'll find something like a Type X being used in the same day and age as a Type XVIII. While this is almost definitely the product of people not doing their homework, it would be neat if there was some reason for this. Maybe some awful civilization-resetting event happens every millennia, so armor and weapons only get so advanced before the knowledge is lost again? Maybe civilization has stagnated and weapon/armor development is very very slow? After all, in LotR, you see Anduril, an ancient weapon, being used alongside other swords that really aren't that much different despite being thousands of years newer. Little late to this little discussion, but it wouldn't even need to be every few millennia. If you look at how long it took much of the Oakeshott typology to develop (say about 1100 (Type XI, as Type X is mostly an extension of Migration era swords) to 1450 (Type XXI), so a period of 350 years), a reset could come much more frequently and still allow for significant weapon development. That in mind, I'm a(n aspiring) writer and actually have a similar reset button on one of my worlds; well, a sorta reset button as it doesn't destroy civilization or the knowledge of weapon crafting, but it does result in hundreds of thousands (if not millions, albeit spread across two continents) of deaths and widespread destruction every 250 years, so technological progress stagnates for a couple decades while society rebuilds. This event only affects a single hemisphere of the world, so while one is at the equivalent of the late-19th century, the other has just invented the musket. Even 100+ years later and with imports to reverse engineer, they still use swords and barely use revolvers. It allows me to have a story with multiple types of swords, though I still try to keep them roughly in the same time period. If we're going with the 'reset button' to explain different swords in the same time period, what would the 'reset button' be? Natural disaster? An undefeatable creature that rises every set time period? Cosmic alignment that causes mass amnesia? Just my $0.02 |
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Post by ramses1079 on Jun 28, 2017 18:13:16 GMT
OHHHHH a friend of mine created a being known as the "Punisher of the Gods" who not only was as HUGE as an actual continent, he WAS the continent named Behemos. Every 5 thousand years he would rise, or at the behest of someone extremely powerful, and was strong enough to kill a deity. His original makeup was based off of the Terrasque (Anyone whose played D&D SHOULD recognize that name) who's essentially Godzilla, but even more humongous......plus he was given the powers of al the evil dragons (red, blue, green, black, and white). Truly strong enough to bring about a Ragnarök of sorts.
Orrrrrr we could use my RIFTS idea and "that" would explain Aztec warriors covorting with Navy Seals! LOL
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jun 28, 2017 18:29:58 GMT
Little late to this little discussion, but it wouldn't even need to be every few millennia. If you look at how long it took much of the Oakeshott typology to develop (say about 1100 (Type XI, as Type X is mostly an extension of Migration era swords) to 1450 (Type XXI), so a period of 350 years), a reset could come much more frequently and still allow for significant weapon development. That in mind, I'm a(n aspiring) writer and actually have a similar reset button on one of my worlds; well, a sorta reset button as it doesn't destroy civilization or the knowledge of weapon crafting, but it does result in hundreds of thousands (if not millions, albeit spread across two continents) of deaths and widespread destruction every 250 years, so technological progress stagnates for a couple decades while society rebuilds. This event only affects a single hemisphere of the world, so while one is at the equivalent of the late-19th century, the other has just invented the musket. Even 100+ years later and with imports to reverse engineer, they still use swords and barely use revolvers. It allows me to have a story with multiple types of swords, though I still try to keep them roughly in the same time period. If we're going with the 'reset button' to explain different swords in the same time period, what would the 'reset button' be? Natural disaster? An undefeatable creature that rises every set time period? Cosmic alignment that causes mass amnesia? Just my $0.02 In my particular setting, it's actually not far off from the unbeatable creature that rises every set time period; just instead of a singular creature, it's an entire race of chthonian immortals that loathe humanity and enter an very violent breeding period every 250 years ( seriously long story; I came up with the outline of a roughly 40,000 year history for them). That said, I think a setting's particular "reset button" would depend on the mechanics of the world in question and, if you really wanted to go all in with it, have it be a thing that's known of in universe and prepared for. As long as it's fairly consistent, you could have organizations dedicated towards preserving knowledge and then redistributing it following the reset; could even make it a plot point to have said organization go rogue and horde the knowledge, giving it out in drips and drabs because of the power it gives them... Hmm, that makes me want to write a short story about it. For something like mass amnesia, you could have the newer swords be treated like holy relics because nobody knows how they were made, who made them, and their best attempts are extremely inferior. You could have them in museums (if such institutions exist), in royal treasuries, and handed out to chosen heroes as if they were magical implements, but are really just damn good swords. And like that, the legend builds. I actually have a system like that on another of my worlds: world was forcefully reset by a pissed off god, sending civilization from interplanetary space faring to stone age; five millennia later, they're capable of working with steel, but it's in such short supply outside of what's used for anti-dragon defenses that most still use bronze or iron weapons, so the family that has a "long" sword (really a fairly short Viking sword with a 27" blade) from a bygone golden era when steel was a bit more plentiful guards it jealously and passes it down as though it were a crown. Really, the reset button can be whatever an author wants it to be, as long as it's internally consistent. |
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