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Post by jammer on Jun 29, 2016 18:28:08 GMT
In any event thank you for watching and sharing thoughts. I'm trying to sort out how to upload an image from my phone to answer concerns about losing the hand. Real katana have tsuba and Habaki which are not sharp. Once grasped it is impossible for the sword to cut the hand or slice the fingers. Attempt: m.imgur.com/a/gGsQfThat whole half of the sword is not that sharp, usually, but that part is not what I was referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 18:31:36 GMT
This kind of validates a point I was making in another thread, that saying X weapon has an advantage over Y weapon because it is bigger, longer, whatever is overly simplistic. The relative positioning dictates advantage so we can't just say a halberd is better than a messer or a katana is better than a tanto or wakizashi. If bigger is better it shouldn't matter where we stand, but it does. More accurately, where we position ourselves.
I can do this again and stand at whatever distance we want. He can take a running start if we think he needs momentum, we can play it out however we need to
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Post by pgandy on Jun 29, 2016 18:57:47 GMT
I watched the video several times and learned or maybe I should say refreshed things I may be getting sloppy on. Glad you published it. I do have some comments that I hope you will take as constructive criticism as I am not knocking your video, glad to see it.
By doing 183 scenarios you guys probably got to read each other, it happens. It appears what is giving the knife an advantage is less than good swordsmanship. And it appears to be what one would expect in a classroom as a teaching aid and not in a field exercise. The swordsman makes “a” cut. Yeah, “a” (1) then the swordsman seems to stop to admire his work. Both swordsmen always attempt body cuts using much of the sword’s blade bypassing the arms, the closet target other than the harder to hit hands. This causes the swordsmen to close more than necessary giving the knife a better advantage. The swordsmen should go for the arms, if not the hands, using the sword’s tip and less blade, much like a boxer uses a number of jabs to soften his targets and making an opening before coming in for the kill. The swordsman in the white advertised his type of cut in many cases. At least I could predict what his next cut would be more than I could the one wearing black. The thrusts should be in and out more quickly, like a snake striking as the spear men say, offering less target and repositioning for the next action more faster. The sword should be kept moving and more foot work should come into play and not being afraid to take a step or two back when needed. Circling to the knife side of the holder can be beneficial too.
On the next video try not to back light. It will make the details easier to see.
Looks like a fun day. Thanks for sharing, it was helpful.
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Post by jammer on Jun 29, 2016 19:44:59 GMT
This kind of validates a point I was making in another thread, that saying X weapon has an advantage over Y weapon because it is bigger, longer, whatever is overly simplistic. The relative positioning dictates advantage so we can't just say a halberd is better than a messer or a katana is better than a tanto or wakizashi. If bigger is better it shouldn't matter where we stand, but it does. More accurately, where we position ourselves. I can do this again and stand at whatever distance we want. He can take a running start if we think he needs momentum, we can play it out however we need to Cool jon, I would like to see the swordsman be a little less gung-ho if you're taking requests. It would also be cool if you took a spare bokuto so you could range off to help us, and you, get perspective, there are kenjutsu techniques for doing so. This is ona ha ito ryu, they spend a lot of their time performing ranging exercises in this early part of their routine. Feel free to copy their method. This is short hyoho niten ichi ryu demo, with this school range is learnt in between the kata with the strident walking in chudan, trying to maintain kissaki crossed. This is a slightly more dynamic imprinting of the range. It's good fun, and helps with footwork too. Use their method if it helps. There's are a couple,of other ways, but not many. You can just cross kissaki in chudan now and again. I really believe that the key to the sword winning is a discipline in maintaining the correct distance, the knife wants to close.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 22:27:56 GMT
Home now, if any of the earlier replies from my phone during the day came across as terse that wasn't the intent.
For my own part, when acting with the knife, I tried to keep my partner from falling into a routine. Whether we succeeded on that may be a different story. I did let him know to throw whatever he wanted, from whatever posture he wanted, and that he could go as fast as he wanted and that if I got hit it was my problem. There's only so much you can do, and you work the best you can with what you get. We did throw out a significant portion, reading each other didn't help with any of those.
The idea of the single cut wasn't that he cuts once and then stops and waits patiently. I should be able to either kill him (figuratively) immediately, or lock him or his weapon up so he can't make a second cut. In the time it takes him to reposition his weapon or himself, I should have perforated him. This is why I usually attempt to secure the weapon after entering. If there's nothing stopping him from attacking over and over again, he should. He should keep going until he's completed his objective, or until we both realize that was a fail, "tap" and try again. I'm not going to say I succeeded every time, there's work to do and it could be cleaned up. This is more of a documented brain storming session than a polished proposal.
For my part, I am absolutely making things easier on him for a handful of reasons. First off, he's my junior and I have to scale things in some manner. I exaggerated certain angles so I could give him a challenge but still have a certain shot at success. I also gave him a chance to sort out what he was doing. I kind of like some of the answers that he pulled out, and I appreciated the time he gave me on a weekend to do this. There's work to do, but I think the guy did a good job all things considered. Secondly, I really dislike videos that are just beating on inexperienced people - it's borderline bullying to me, I'm not going to humiliate my friend to feel good about myself. The point of this wasn't to show off how cool I was to everybody, it was to start putting some ideas down so it really didn't matter who was doing what.
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We can definitely do some more! Not sure exactly when, I tore the hell out of my left foot because I didn't bother to make sure my sandals were properly tightened. It looks like seared tuna, not pretty. Dumb mistake, but one positive is in reviewing the video I don't think anyone can tell when it happened, so at least there's that. Limped for two days afterwards, but I kept it together for you guys while we were rolling :D
I was actually trying to think of ways to show the distance better if we do start with bokken - we could set up with the kissaki crossed, then toss one of the bokken away and fall back to the knife without changing our spacing just as an idea.
I'd like to develop some of the things we came up with. I can use some of the healing time to think about what to work on and how. I mean, I still have real stuff I need to work on for myself and with my friend, but this was cool other than the whole foot part.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 30, 2016 0:03:44 GMT
I understand that when trying to demonstrate one thing or technique the others suffer creating misunderstanding. So it was you in the white. The first thing I thought was “damn, flip-flops. How can he do that? He’s far better than me for sure as I’d be falling all over myself”. Later I saw that they were sandals. I saw when it happened but didn’t know what.
Will definitely be looking forward to another video. I wish that I still had a sparring partner and there was an interest in my country. I miss it.
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Post by Derzis on Jun 30, 2016 0:07:06 GMT
Jon, your vid is OK for the learning purpose. I really don't mind the distance between fighting partners, is not this an issue in reality - you let the knife in your bubble, is your problem. You think the knife is too close, sword can step back. If he doesn't, he doesn't know yet his tool and the tool he fights against. The single thing that I will change is getting rid in a way of this "sword attacks, knife counter on his attack" thing. I would let the initiative of the attack to float in the air. In that moment the sword will act freely and will get in motion, faking attacks, retreating on purpose, etc, and most of it, the sword tip will be always in the face of the knife as it should.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 1:06:51 GMT
Again, thanks a lot guys, appreciate every thought and will see what else we can dream up. Is demonking around? Does any of these seem to start answering some questions or giving you ideas?
What I put is not "do this and you will win every time", it is "out of everything we tried this was the least awful."
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Post by jammer on Jun 30, 2016 11:19:21 GMT
I agree with practising slowly at first, but what sometimes happens is that both sides don't slow down. The attack comes in slowly and then the receiver is like ninja-fast darting here and there and battering poor uchidachi before the painfully slow-mo sword has even stopped moving.
If, at sword's OSTS (knife will be about two STS), the sword is in hasso or jodan and then telegraphs either orally or by pushing the sword up before it descends at 1/2 speed that is good. The knifeman then has to use judgement to move at 1/2 speed too. It can then be speeded up to stress test.
Another trick for working at full speed is that the attacking sword intends, in advance, to pull the blow a few inches above head level, so an untelegraphed fast strike is delivered with minimal risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 15:20:00 GMT
I agree with practising slowly at first, but what sometimes happens is that both sides don't slow down. The attack comes in slowly and then the receiver is like ninja-fast darting here and there and battering poor uchidachi before the painfully slow-mo sword has even stopped moving. If, at sword's OSTS (knife will be about two STS), the sword is in hasso or jodan and then telegraphs either orally or by pushing the sword up before it descends at 1/2 speed that is good. The knifeman then has to use judgement to move at 1/2 speed too. It can then be speeded up to stress test. Another trick for working at full speed is that the attacking sword intends, in advance, to pull the blow a few inches above head level, so an untelegraphed fast strike is delivered with minimal risk. Totally. Synching the time seems to be a way to get the most out of training, slower the better usually if everyone races through you don't get a chance to explore details and hopefully we want to be technically good and not just relying on hitting harder and faster. In real application people can and will screw with tempo, you want to be able to break and establish rhythms on your terms not his. But how can you do that if you never learn how to lock in and be consistent in the first place? And definitely, unless I want to break the guy, we need to get him ready to survive what we throw at him. I can either pull the cut before contact, simply slow the cut, or telegraph a bit more than usual. Since we were ad libbing I needed to make some concessions - I could have sold the direction a little less but I figured better to err too far this way than bust him up for entertainment.
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Post by Derzis on Jun 30, 2016 19:21:15 GMT
And definitely, unless I want to break the guy, we need to get him ready to survive what we throw at him. I can either pull the cut before contact, simply slow the cut, or telegraph a bit more than usual. Since we were ad libbing I needed to make some concessions - I could have sold the direction a little less but I figured better to err too far this way than bust him up for entertainment. Or just use a fukuro shinai instead a bokken
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 19:31:44 GMT
..That's actually a really good suggestion. I think we're going to add one into the mix and see what we get.
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