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Post by nddave on Apr 10, 2016 1:07:51 GMT
Nice, so these are from the Battlecry line MRL announced in their 138 catalogue. Still no info on MRL's site but its cool to finally see what these swords will look like. Here's the announcement of the Battle Cry Line also introducing John Clements who is apparently partnering with MRL to design this line of swords. From the panel in the #138 catalogue page 2c, I went and bought the Seax just to get a feel for how these are gonna be. Ill be posting review when i get it and test it. its currently en route from Georgia so it'll be here soon. Nice looking forward to reading it and seeing how this line holds up to standard Windlass models. A few of them are very similar to some current and discontinued models so it'll be good to see how these hold up to the standard Windlass models. Do you perhaps have another seax from Windlass to compare?
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Post by themagicalmark on Apr 10, 2016 4:50:16 GMT
I went and bought the Seax just to get a feel for how these are gonna be. Ill be posting review when i get it and test it. its currently en route from Georgia so it'll be here soon. Nice looking forward to reading it and seeing how this line holds up to standard Windlass models. A few of them are very similar to some current and discontinued models so it'll be good to see how these hold up to the standard Windlass models. Do you perhaps have another seax from Windlass to compare? I have no prior experience with a Windlass product. Iam aware of their reputation and what to look out for though, once i get it im gonna look at it and compare it to other Windlass/Seax reviews and see how it compares.
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Post by nddave on Apr 10, 2016 17:40:16 GMT
Nice looking forward to reading it and seeing how this line holds up to standard Windlass models. A few of them are very similar to some current and discontinued models so it'll be good to see how these hold up to the standard Windlass models. Do you perhaps have another seax from Windlass to compare? I have no prior experience with a Windlass product. Iam aware of their reputation and what to look out for though, once i get it im gonna look at it and compare it to other Windlass/Seax reviews and see how it compares. Cool, no I just have a hunch that these aren't much different than the standard Windlass models with just a coat of black. For example someone that bought the Crusader arming sword or Agincourt bastard who may have handled or own a Classic Medieval sword model or Towton Sword (which has been discontinued for a few years) would say, hey this is the same sword. If you get what I mean. Regardless it will be good to get a review and first hand impression on one from these lines so again looking forward to your review to see what this line has to offer!
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Post by themagicalmark on Apr 12, 2016 0:07:28 GMT
I have no prior experience with a Windlass product. Iam aware of their reputation and what to look out for though, once i get it im gonna look at it and compare it to other Windlass/Seax reviews and see how it compares. Cool, no I just have a hunch that these aren't much different than the standard Windlass models with just a coat of black. For example someone that bought the Crusader arming sword or Agincourt bastard who may have handled or own a Classic Medieval sword model or Towton Sword (which has been discontinued for a few years) would say, hey this is the same sword. If you get what I mean. Regardless it will be good to get a review and first hand impression on one from these lines so again looking forward to your review to see what this line has to offer! Im expecting standard Windlass as well, hopefully John Clemens isn't selling out after all.
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Post by themagicalmark on Apr 13, 2016 19:22:12 GMT
Alright everyone i just unboxed my Maldon Seax and im overall pretty impressed, the construction is pretty solid and its fairly sharp right out of the box.
Now as common with Windlass theres a hilt gap buts fairly minor and for the price i cant complain, but unlike windlass the sheathe actually is good quality and fits the blade quite nicely. The general construction is really nice and it feels nice and sturdy.
If the rest of the Battlecry line is like this i think were in good hands.
I can answer any questions, ill be posting a review once i use it.
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Post by nddave on Apr 13, 2016 19:27:47 GMT
Alright everyone i just unboxed my Maldon Seax and im overall pretty impressed, the construction is pretty solid and its fairly sharp right out of the box. Now as common with Windlass theres a hilt gap buts fairly minor and for the price i cant complain, but unlike windlass the sheathe actually is good quality and fits the blade quite nicely. The general construction is really nice and it feels nice and sturdy. If the rest of the Battlecry line is like this i think were in good hands. I can answer any questions, ill be posting a review once i use it. Does the scabbard have a wood core or is it hard leather like most other Windlass models? Also if you can, snap a few pics and upload them so we can see what it looks like in person rather than on site.
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Post by themagicalmark on Apr 13, 2016 19:43:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 19:52:06 GMT
That's a really cool blade. A good deal for $125. How does it handle? I'm considering purchasing one myself
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Post by themagicalmark on Apr 13, 2016 20:09:03 GMT
That's a really cool blade. A good deal for $125. How does it handle? I'm considering purchasing one myself Its lighter than i thought in terms of handling but it feels nice and solid, id say go pick one up while theyre cheap
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Apr 13, 2016 20:51:35 GMT
Looks like John Clements made some videos with the Battlecry line. Here is the Agincourt: Cool promo video, but not enough pig carcasses.
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Post by nddave on Apr 13, 2016 21:36:28 GMT
Does the scabbard have a wood core or is it hard leather like most other Windlass models? Also if you can, snap a few pics and upload them so we can see what it looks like in person rather than on site. It doesnt have a wood core, im not sure if itll be the same for the swords too but this one is just leather, but it does hold the blade snugly. Cool thanks for the pics. Yea a few first hand nit pics I would have after seeing the pics would be the finish and the leather wrap. Both seem quite rough for the full price from Windlass. Like the hilt furniture and the blade itself, but those leather and finish issues I hope are simply a one in the batch type issue and not a representative of the line's standard finish. I guess in a way this answers a few who didn't like the bluing answer on if it is removable which it seems would be the case based on the finish of yours. Over all though I think it is a nice looking Seax and complementary to any Viking collector's collection.
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Post by themagicalmark on Apr 14, 2016 16:50:06 GMT
I just spent 15 minutes hammering a dead tree with my Seax, it handles like a champ and its still just as sharp, water bottle tests coming next.
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Apr 15, 2016 14:14:09 GMT
A question on the blade finish... Does it look like the metal was properly sanded/polished then blackened, or is the blade rough and the blackening is being used to hide the finshing flaws?
Did that make sense? It's obvious the hilt furniture is a simpler design, so my concern lies in the fact they may be hiding minor imperfections with the bluing.
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Post by nddave on Apr 15, 2016 15:06:49 GMT
KoA has the Agincourt and Falchion up and after looking at their more detailed pics (not meaning yours themagicalmark but MRL's) it seems the finish is an artistic effect used to make the sword seem like it has been used on field or has age. Guess it is good for those that want to open the box and feel the UPS guy traveled back and time and picked it up off the battlefield and boxed it up for you. Here's something else I noticed from KoA, they're showing the Wolflund Gontier Sword below the pics of the Agincourt as, "also available". Very similar in design actually but I don't think I've ever seen a similar sword historically. With the details of the Agincourt you can see the grip and pommel seem to be newly designed (or a copy of the Wolflund model) but if you look closely and are familiar with it, you'll notice the guard is the same guard used on the 15th century longsword by Windlass minus the rings. Here are a few pics to compare. Oh and here is a few of the showing the similarities between the Towton sword blade and the Agincourt. Though I believe the Agincourt is not simply a rehashed Towton blade because the Towton is around 35" and the Agincourt is only 30". Also here is a pic of the King Henry VIII Tudor series sword which also has I believe the similar if not the same blade as the Towton.
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Post by jwest on Apr 15, 2016 17:34:27 GMT
Dave I emailed Wulflund about the seax above and they said they were not the supplier. If you look at the Wulflund website, the Arma Epona website, and at KOA the seax from all three websites have the same hilt components. The blades on the sharps appear to be the same but with minor variations. The major difference I can see is that the Wulfund blades are hot peened. The picture above of the Maldon seax is cold peened.
I'm guessing the blades and hilt components come from a third party.
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Post by nddave on Apr 15, 2016 17:49:17 GMT
Dave I emailed Wulflund about the seax above and they said they were not the supplier. If you look at the Wulflund website, the Arma Epona website, and at KOA the seax from all three websites have the same hilt components. The blades on the sharps appear to be the same but with minor variations. The major difference I can see is that the Wulfund blades are hot peened. The picture above of the Maldon seax is cold peened. I'm guessing the blades and hilt components come from a third party. Sorry but are you referring to me? I've been posting about the similarities with the Type XVI'ish Agincourt and the Wolflund Gontier sword and how KOA have them advertised together. Not been talking about the seax models. Also the rest of my post focuses on the similarities of the Agincourt to other similar but discontinued Windlass models the Towton and Tudor sword for comparisons sake. Again nothing about Seax. I wouldn't be surprised if Windlass makes the hilt components on this line as they do with their other swords. Look again at the 15th century sword guard then at the Agincourt, take away the rings and they're the same guard. I'm 99% sure the guard and pommel (actually the whole sword) on the Acre Crusader sword are the same from their Classic Medieval sword. Yea aside from a apparent grip upgrade and the bluing, I'm 99.9% sure they are the same exact sword. My focus in this thread is simply to see if this line is actually new models of swords or as I assumed from initial pics revealed, simply rehashes or rebuilds of previous and current Windlass swords. I was hoping for better built and improved geometry and profiles but it seems these swords are in fact simply standard Windlass models with a coat of bluing and mix and matched hilt configurations. Nothing wrong with Windlass swords as I own many and love their quality for the price point. I'm just pondering if this line is worth the extra money asked when all I'm seeing changed is a blued finish and hilt swapping, aside from them coming pre-sharp, though it appears the edge is simply the secondary bevel you can request anyway so that's another downer to me because now I'm forced to pay for MRL sharpening rather than have the option to save $20-40 and do it myself.
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Post by Aikidoka on Apr 15, 2016 17:57:39 GMT
I'm not impressed with the Agincourt's distal taper (4.3mm - 3.7mm). Looks like a fairly typical Windlass blade. And the POB looks to be too close to the guard (2.75 inches). The Hattin Falchion, on the other hand, looks very nice! EDIT: But once again, it bears a striking resemblance to the Wolflund falchion:
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Post by themagicalmark on Apr 15, 2016 22:39:51 GMT
A question on the blade finish... Does it look like the metal was properly sanded/polished then blackened, or is the blade rough and the blackening is being used to hide the finshing flaws? Did that make sense? It's obvious the hilt furniture is a simpler design, so my concern lies in the fact they may be hiding minor imperfections with the bluing. Its ploshed as well as blackened, it would be easy to see any forging flaws.
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Post by taheer on Jan 9, 2018 13:55:13 GMT
Hi All,
Im literally about to buy my first sword. This site has been a great help!
Ive come to the following 2 option:
Windlass - Agincourt War sword (battle cry)
I have not seen many reviews for this. I have heard windlass is hit an miss, but also know that John Clements is considered to know his stuff.
Hanwei Tinker Bastard Sword with Fuller. Excellent reviews. but the issue with scabbard is putting me off, anyone fixed this?
Any advice would help. I wont be using them much. But like the idea of having a REAL sword made of decent quality. Thanks and I am a noob so any advise or suggestions are welcome.
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Post by pattyb0009 on Jan 9, 2018 14:49:26 GMT
Hi All, Im literally about to buy my first sword. This site has been a great help! Ive come to the following 2 option: Windlass - Agincourt War sword (battle cry) I have not seen many reviews for this. I have heard windlass is hit an miss, but also know that John Clements is considered to know his stuff. Hanwei Tinker Bastard Sword with Fuller. Excellent reviews. but the issue with scabbard is putting me off, anyone fixed this? Any advice would help. I wont be using them much. But like the idea of having a REAL sword made of decent quality. Thanks and I am a noob so any advise or suggestions are welcome. I, too, am considering the Hanwei Tinker. I have been told that with a dremel, you can make all of the scabbard scraping problems go away. I have had a few Windlass pieces over the years, and I've had fairly good luck with them. Most of them were light in the hand and were great for cutting!
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