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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 10, 2015 17:43:22 GMT
You likely right brother... I'd love to come out to your Ranch and shoot all the double stack 1911's your willing to put in my hand.
I do love the sig 227 tacops tho... :-)
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Mar 10, 2015 22:44:56 GMT
@ Mike
I didn't realize the Para uses a different mainspring housing. My Springfield hi-cap uses a standard mainspring housing.
Interesting... now where are those pics?
@ Sean
That Sig is one bada** SOB. (Let me know when you are going out to the Ranch, so I can stow away in your trunk).
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Mar 11, 2015 0:46:05 GMT
sounds like a 1911 in 10mm would get you the best of both worlds ??
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Mar 11, 2015 1:20:13 GMT
sounds like a 1911 in 10mm would get you the best of both worlds ?? One of my biggest regrets is trading my Colt Delta Elite. I traded it for my L.A.R. Grizzly many years ago. I don't regret the Grizzly, but I miss that 10mm. I'm a big fan of the 10mm and have owned a few. (Delta Elite, Smith and Wesson and an EAA Witness). Many shooters complained about the recoil from the full power 10mm. I don't know that it would really give you "the best of both worlds", but it does get very close to Magnum territory in a duty sized "auto" pistol. I think that a lot of people would consider the double stack 40s to be the "best of both worlds".
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Mar 11, 2015 12:22:43 GMT
sounds like a 1911 in 10mm would get you the best of both worlds ?? One of my biggest regrets is trading my Colt Delta Elite. I traded it for my L.A.R. Grizzly many years ago. I don't regret the Grizzly, but I miss that 10mm. I'm a big fan of the 10mm and have owned a few. (Delta Elite, Smith and Wesson and an EAA Witness). Many shooters complained about the recoil from the full power 10mm. I don't know that it would really give you "the best of both worlds", but it does get very close to Magnum territory in a duty sized "auto" pistol. I think that a lot of people would consider the double stack 40s to be the "best of both worlds". I was thinking more of a 1911 with a staggered mag giving probably 9 rounds in a regular size 1911, assuming chamber pressures match.
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 12, 2015 15:43:46 GMT
@ Mike I didn't realize the Para uses a different mainspring housing. My Springfield hi-cap uses a standard mainspring housing. Interesting... now where are those pics?
The Para doesn't use a different mainspring housing. The STI/SV frames use one with a step at the bottom, similar to what you use with an Ed Brown MaxiWell. Here are a couple of comparison pics.
Left to right: Standard beveled magazine well with standard mainspring housing, Ed Brown Maxi-Well with welded up mainspring housing, standard SV Infinity
Here's a more telling view of the differences. Note the steps at the bottom of the SV and Maxi-Well housings
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 12, 2015 15:49:46 GMT
One of my biggest regrets is trading my Colt Delta Elite. I traded it for my L.A.R. Grizzly many years ago. I don't regret the Grizzly, but I miss that 10mm. I'm a big fan of the 10mm and have owned a few. (Delta Elite, Smith and Wesson and an EAA Witness). Many shooters complained about the recoil from the full power 10mm. I don't know that it would really give you "the best of both worlds", but it does get very close to Magnum territory in a duty sized "auto" pistol. I think that a lot of people would consider the double stack 40s to be the "best of both worlds". I was thinking more of a 1911 with a staggered mag giving probably 9 rounds in a regular size 1911, assuming chamber pressures match. I also had a Colt Delta Elite. But I could hardly wait to sell it. Mine was customized about like my other 1911s and I carried and used it a bit. But I was underwhelmed by the performance of the ammo on living things, especially given the significant increase in muzzle blast and recoil with full power Winchester 175 gr. Winchester Silvertips (about the only thing available at the time). I much prefer the hottest 155 gr. .40 S&W loads that are available now. Pushing a 155 gr. bonded core hollowpoint at 1,300 fps from a 5" barrel, these are really some stomping loads that are readily available and much more controllable than the 10mm, though they still have much of the painful muzzle blast. That's what I carry in my SVs and STI, specifically the Speer 155 gr Gold Dot.
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 12, 2015 16:34:36 GMT
So speaking of SV Infinity, here are...is...whatever, my closely matched pair of SV Infinity 2011 carry guns in .40 S&W. I built these in the early 2000's from a pair of frames I won at matches. I bought SV slides and Schuemann ultimatch barrels and fitted them to the frames. Then they were assembled from what used to be sold as "completion kits" by SV, which was a ziplock bag full of all parts required to complete a fitted frame/slide/barrel to SV factory specs. They have XS Sight Systems standard dot tritium sights and are finished in Robar NP3, which is a PTFE-impregnated self-lubricating electroless nickel finish. The frames have been rounded in front and Robar's polymer texture has been applied to the grips. Also of note are the "Browning High-Power-esque" cut downs on the front of the slides. Those are intended to reduce slide weight and aid in reholstering...and they look cool to me.
Flush fit magazines hold 15 rounds. So called "standard length" magazines hold 17 rounds, and 140mm competition magazines hold 19 rounds. One great thing about them is that loaded with 16 rounds these still weigh a few ounces less than a steel frame 1911 in .45 loaded with 9 rounds. That's due to the polymer grip and mainspring housing weighing next to nothing.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 12, 2015 17:51:15 GMT
Don't have anything in .40sw right now... got rid of it a bit ago, it was my least favorite of the rounds I had at the time. More flip then .45 less rounds the 9mm cost as much as 45 in most cases. I've been considering getting a .40 again tho now that I'm more experienced... was leaning towards something like a Glock 35 or a Glock 23c. I had a 23c before and I did notice a decent amount of reduced muzzle flip... but I wonder how much lose in round velocity you get in that gun.
Never considered a .40sw 1911 tho. Hm.
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 12, 2015 19:03:33 GMT
Sean, to be honest I'm not a fan of the .40 in Glocks and M&Ps or any other of the light polymer-frame striker-fired guns. I have a few G22s (used and picked up in trades or sub $400 steals) and a G35, and all have 9mm conversion barrels in them. I thought .40 would be a good idea in those, but reality turned out to be me not liking them due to recoil and muzzle rise. And the cost of 9mm being so much less. So now, at my house, if it's a Glock it's a 9mm, no matter what the slide markings say. That way I only have to have one set of magazines.
But in full-size/weight guns like STI/SV or Para Ord or 1911s, I think the .40 makes sense. And since I reload all my .40, I can safely get 1,150 fps with 180 gr bullets. That puts the .40 close to the hotter 10mms.
YMMV, but for me, the .40 is a pretty sweet deal in that context. And the performance of the hot .40s on live game has been equal to or better than standard pressure .45 ACP with the best bullets.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 12, 2015 19:09:03 GMT
Sean, to be honest I'm not a fan of the .40 in Glocks and M&Ps or any other of the light polymer-frame striker-fired guns. I have a few G22s (used and picked up in trades or sub $400 steals) and a G35, and all have 9mm conversion barrels in them. I thought .40 would be a good idea in those, but reality turned out to be me not liking them due to recoil and muzzle rise. And the cost of 9mm being so much less. So now, at my house, if it's a Glock it's a 9mm, no matter what the slide markings say. That way I only have to have one set of magazines.
But in full-size/weight guns like STI/SV or Para Ord or 1911s, I think the .40 makes sense. And since I reload all my .40, I can safely get 1,150 fps with 180 gr bullets. That puts the .40 close to the hotter 10mms.
YMMV, but for me, the .40 is a pretty sweet deal in that context. And the performance of the hot .40s on live game has been equal to or better than standard pressure .45 ACP with the best bullets. We think alike on this Mike... your above issues were the same I got rid of .40 for in the first place. The only Glocks I have right now are a 19, 34, and a 42. I also have a Just right carbine that runs glock 9mm mags, so I have a lot of glock 9mm mags. I might look into something in a heavier 1911 frame for .40... you have a recommendation?
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 12, 2015 19:14:40 GMT
...I might look into something in a heavier 1911 frame for .40... you have a recommendation? Really anything 1911-y you'd like in .45 will work well in .40 S&W. Particularly a Para, since you gain so much mag capacity (16 rounds in flush-fit mags). The newest Para P16s are pretty nice.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Mar 12, 2015 23:44:52 GMT
I love the cut downs on the slides! Having a matching pair equals beau coupe cool points. Very nice.
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 13, 2015 15:38:27 GMT
I love the cut downs on the slides! Having a matching pair equals beau coupe cool points. Very nice. Thanks Curtis! I fell in love with that look and functionality when I first saw it done to one of Ross Seyfried's 1911s back in the early-80's. It's such a classic look, and so functional, I'm surprised it took so long to catch on. But now you can get it on certain models from Wilson Combat and Nighthawk Custom, among others.
If you like that, you should like the next one.
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 13, 2015 15:44:01 GMT
This is another .40 S&W carry gun built on an STI aluminum frame. Modifications are very much like the SVs shown and described previously. The only real differences are the brand, the aluminum frame and the standard round top slide, as opposed to the tri-top slides on the SVs. Amazingly, this pistol weighs within 2 ounces of an aluminum frame Colt Commander. It's shown here with the four different length magazines available from STI.
Top to bottom: 15-rd flush fit, 17-rd standard, 19-rd 140mm, and 25-rd 170mm
Here's another view
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Mar 13, 2015 16:00:36 GMT
BAZINGA! That will work... nice.
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Post by Curtis_Louis on Mar 13, 2015 16:33:52 GMT
Awesome! It looks like the grip safety has been "melted". The memory grooves look feint (maybe it is just the lighting in the pic).
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Post by humblepie on Mar 13, 2015 19:26:35 GMT
Well I have a Girsan 1911 that I still love. I have many types of rounds through it in the few years I've owned it. From cheapie crap to various hollow points to make sure they all feed well. I only had a few problems with the crappier chip mccormick mags originally, but I figured out how to resolve that awhile ago. So I have a fair amount of different mags with ACT, kimber, chips, and others that all work fine with the gun. I have put thousands of rounds through it now and it runs smooth as butter. Again the only hiccups I've ever had was with some bad chip mags when I first got them that had very weak springs and a bad feed lip. On to the pics. here is a small family pic of some of my handguns
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 13, 2015 21:06:27 GMT
Awesome! It looks like the grip safety has been "melted". The memory grooves look feint (maybe it is just the lighting in the pic). Good eye. I melted the poo out of the memory grooves and thought I'd completely removed them. But when the NP3 was applied they popped back out. They are only 5 thousandths (.005") or so deep.
Humblepie, those are some nice pieces. What kind of grips are those on the .45? They look like carbon fiber. And the frame looks like it's alloy, not steel. Is it a lightweight?
I like the pink SIG .380. Sweet! Is that a "his & hers pair?" Or are they for differing moods?
And I haven't seen a PT 92 with a light rail on the dust cover. Wish mine had that. Mine's so old it's pre-decocker. But I still love it.
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Post by humblepie on Mar 17, 2015 20:49:15 GMT
Humblepie, those are some nice pieces. What kind of grips are those on the .45? They look like carbon fiber. And the frame looks like it's alloy, not steel. Is it a lightweight?
I like the pink SIG .380. Sweet! Is that a "his & hers pair?" Or are they for differing moods? :D
And I haven't seen a PT 92 with a light rail on the dust cover. Wish mine had that. Mine's so old it's pre-decocker. But I still love it.
The grips are the striker grips form Brownells I picked up along with the fiber optic front sight. It's an alloy frame, but not really noticeably lighter that I can tell from holding it. The pink sig is for my wife :) his and her pairs for us at the range.
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