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Post by Afoo on Nov 14, 2014 2:59:24 GMT
Hello. Over the course of my regular e-bay grazing, I found this sabre listed on sale. The seller claims its a German Artillery Sabre. However, I can find no record of this model on Oldswords. www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antique-WW ... 462c564d13 The fact that it has a fuller only on one side makes me think Austrian, but thats just a hunch. The RA stamped on the guard would also be consistent with an Austro-Hungarian Artillery sword (Reitende Artilleriedivision), but again, nothing on oldswords. Perhaps one of the resident gurus can shed some light on this?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Nov 14, 2014 15:36:38 GMT
@!&%$!!+%$# :x
I got a laundry list of crap to do today and you got me chasin @$#!!%*** Alien EWs AAAaaaaarrrrggghh!!!
I can't find an easy matchup for the sword and components in those pics. Have an 1883 WKC catalog copy and this sword is not present.
There are a couple of Austrian light cavalry variants for 1875 Kuk and Honveds that might be possibilities with the D stirrup. The hilt also matches Bavarian sabres. That's all I've got in an hour (+).
You need to join deutches-blankwaffenforum.de. Once you figure out how to join (not hard actually) and the webmaster accepts you, you can harrass the real german collectors. Sword Gallery is very good and you don't have to join to cruise it.
Cheers
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Post by JGonzalez on Nov 14, 2014 15:40:44 GMT
Mr. Kelly you play the grumpy old man with a golden heart well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 16:18:15 GMT
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Post by Dave Kelly on Nov 14, 2014 17:27:19 GMT
I knew there was a reason for keeping you around.... :mrgreen: And a double karma for revealing your smart source
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Post by Afoo on Nov 15, 2014 2:54:47 GMT
Thanks for the useful information. Have some karma
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Post by Afoo on Mar 18, 2015 5:04:25 GMT
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 18, 2015 5:25:52 GMT
Belgian
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 18, 2015 6:18:52 GMT
The basket is very much French M1923 Cavalry Officers. Cannot see the blade very well. Yup, it is French M1923.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 18, 2015 6:41:36 GMT
??? :-[
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Post by Afoo on Mar 18, 2015 14:35:19 GMT
Clash of the titans
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 18, 2015 16:41:52 GMT
Compaired to The Kelly I am more of a Chicken Little, but that aside, go look at l'Hoste, page 479. Google Images: French M1923 Cavalry Officers sword, will give plenty of pictures too. Oh and Dave, I ordered the Bezdek German Sword Makers. Softcover for $30, from the UK, so no import duties. The blade on the 1923 is nothing compaired to the 1896, which is nothing compaired to the M1854, the last real Cavalry Pallash made in France. The basket is an asymmetrical version of the M1896, of Art Deco fame. Got them both and if you can get them on the cheap, they are nice. Compaired to the M1854 though, these are just for show. Not really serious. By the time the 1923 came about, the poor Cavalry men were plowed into the Flanders mud and the idea of Cavalry of old was dead as a doornail.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 0:06:10 GMT
Uhlan i right except that the 1923 cavalry Off sword is different and very often overlooked because of the much more frequently found infantry model that has a slim blade (like the 1882 IOS). The 1923 is the last officer pallasch, in a strange attempt to go back to the former glory of the cavalry sabres it was designed to have a double fuller blade of 3 sizes (small, medium and long). Produced only for officers from 1926 and lasted until 1939. It is still worn today by some officers of the gendarmerie (police) but no longer used by the army (they have the F1 sabre instead). A rather rare sabre that is worth every penny, even if made mainly for parade and dress the handling is superb and the construction lovely.
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Post by aronk on Mar 19, 2015 2:32:47 GMT
Absolutely beautiful sword. Might have to buy one at some point!
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Post by Afoo on Mar 19, 2015 3:23:24 GMT
Its a strange mix of beauty in the guard and brutishness in the blade :P
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 19, 2015 6:51:07 GMT
If you would go after one, it is important to remember that these are officers swords, so in the French tradition, there is variation, not only in the blade length, but also in the way the baskets were decorated. Pino shows one with deep chisseled decoration. Very well done indeed. You may find others were the decorations are a lot less worked out and are not as attractive. The name of the furbisher is to be found in a stamp under the guard mostly. The standard blade for the M1923 is a flat blade with one fuller on each side.
This like button is getting to be really annoying.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 20, 2015 17:18:07 GMT
1823s are waist ornaments for weddings and funerals anyway. If you like the form look at functional 1896s.
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Post by Afoo on Mar 26, 2015 2:12:04 GMT
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 26, 2015 9:43:41 GMT
Shipping from that vendor is 190.00 because of the new French postal limiit of one meter for standard air freight from Colissimo, thus the lowballed asking price for the sword.
PS: ( Jun 2015) This comment proved incorrect. The vendor was having some problem with a village postal agent. Once it was explained to him how to go online and pay he took the postage ready package to the PO and shipped it to me for 60.00 USD.
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Post by Afoo on Jun 29, 2015 2:02:11 GMT
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