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Post by Afoo on Jul 28, 2015 2:03:26 GMT
Fair enough. Hopefully it goes to someone from the community
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 28, 2015 5:04:16 GMT
Pino, have you ever seen the French M1822 HC with the straight blade before? l'Hoste mentions it, so it was not just Officers creep.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 28, 2015 17:22:47 GMT
So. Whatever it is, it went for $910. Pino, one of your pals got it? For the same price I got me this tonight: According to l'Hoste it is from the first half of the 17th C. Probably an Infantry Officers sword but could be Cavalry too since the blade length is 90 cm or 35.5". It sits as a type between the rapier and the smallsword. The sword has inscriptions ,,Alonso or Alphonso'', something like that and a half moon mark on both sides. Not having a knuckle bow comes with this design. I think I did the right thing.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 28, 2015 21:56:03 GMT
I found the correct assignation in Calamandrei wee hours this morning. 1830-1860 Neapolitan Dragoon. Unique blade. I didn't say it was German, just that the hilt wasnt a match for the 1822 French, but appeared more like a Prussian M1854 hilt.
I bid my max it wasn't enough. Lousy timing. I'd have put more down if I had the funds. ( Poor baby me. boo hoo hoo...)
While I'm resolved to losing, the fact that the sword officially went for a lousy 10.00 overbid will have me stewing for weeks.....:(
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 28, 2015 23:56:24 GMT
That does seem to be more in character with the overall "thrust" of your collection...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 0:33:03 GMT
Pino, have you ever seen the French M1822 HC with the straight blade before? l'Hoste mentions it, so it was not just Officers creep. There is a French sword from c.1855 intended as an experimental sword with a 1854 hilt & pommel and straight single-fuller blade. The novelty was to have a fuller in the spine of the blade. Saw only one once but the eBay one is definitely not it. Aside from that obscure pattern, sometimes regimental armorers recycled 1822 HC officer hilts and matched them but with 1854 blades. The M1882 was the only accepted regulation cavalry sword with simple fuller straight blade but it had 2 branches, all other patterns of mixed 1822 hilts and blades were either experimental or custom made swords for officers and superior NCOs.
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Post by Uhlan on Jul 29, 2015 4:52:48 GMT
I am trying to get some kind of overview of the M1822 together. Impossible of course with all the variants, but I got me some. The straight bladed one is hard to find. Thought I got me two offers, but it turned out both were click bait. Speaking of fullers in the spine. I have this M1896 / 1902, with a short fuller in place of the false edge, so you get two false edges. That 95 cm blade is darn sharp too. Professional sharpening job, done at the time of purchase. Maybe this weekend I will have the time to show what M1822's I got so far. Was putting it off, waiting for an early Officers regulation type with two ringed scabbard, but these are also hard to come by at the moment.
Edit: Well, one came my way. Ricasso from before 1860 and Chatellerault made. 2 ring scabbard. So, The project will have to wait untill I have this one in my hands and I have renovated the bunch.
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Post by Afoo on Aug 9, 2015 3:29:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 15:21:33 GMT
"NAPOLEONIC WARS 1813 FRENCH CUIRASSIER SWORD; KLINGENTHAL W/ CORRECT HALLMARKS; A MUST SEE NEAR PERFECT REPRODUCTION. LET THE PHOTOS DO THE TALKING FOR THIS GEM - THE WEIGHT, LOOK, AGE, AND FEEL OF THE PIECE ARE ALMOST PERFECT - PRICED TO SELL THIS IS A MODERN REPRODUCTION OF THIS CLASSIC FRENCH SWORD100% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ October 1813 should be a flag, even without the very clear ad copy listing it as a reproduction. A trait not so unlike the Ames light cavalry marked in block letters dated 1862. The Knubley marked scabbards on five ball spadroons, on and on. $400 seems a bit steep for someone elses aging work. Some of the spadroons have fetched twice that.
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Post by Afoo on Aug 9, 2015 21:38:03 GMT
"NAPOLEONIC WARS 1813 FRENCH CUIRASSIER SWORD; KLINGENTHAL W/ CORRECT HALLMARKS; A MUST SEE NEAR PERFECT REPRODUCTION. LET THE PHOTOS DO THE TALKING FOR THIS GEM - THE WEIGHT, LOOK, AGE, AND FEEL OF THE PIECE ARE ALMOST PERFECT - PRICED TO SELL THIS IS A MODERN REPRODUCTION OF THIS CLASSIC FRENCH SWORD100% CUSTOMER SATISFACTION" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ October 1813 should be a flag, even without the very clear ad copy listing it as a reproduction. A trait not so unlike the Ames light cavalry marked in block letters dated 1862. The Knubley marked scabbards on five ball spadroons, on and on. $400 seems a bit steep for someone elses aging work. Some of the spadroons have fetched twice that. Yeah, score one for not reading carefully. Was about to sleep, but saw this one ended soon...
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Post by Luka on Aug 10, 2015 9:55:07 GMT
Octobre 1813 date is always a big red flag as it's standard date inscribed on Indian replicas.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Aug 10, 2015 10:10:02 GMT
If you really want one of these you can get a Universal Sword one for half the price at KOA. Practically no taper. It's a type 1, undished guard pallasch, instead of a type 2. I offered the guy 150.00 for the fine aging done to the repro. He told me to syuick it up my cuirass... ;).
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Post by Afoo on Aug 16, 2015 18:16:41 GMT
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Post by Afoo on Sept 10, 2015 21:01:12 GMT
Another mystery e-bay saber This is what appears to be an 1840 light artillery saber (as you can tell from the label). The seller had no info, but it went for a reasonable price so I picked it up out of curiosity (and partially expecting it to be the Windlass production). While the fixtures look very similar to the Windlass and the dimensions are spot on, there are no markings (whereas the Windlass has markings), and the false edge is also unsharpened, which seemed a bit odd. Up close, I could see that there is an actual peen on the back, so at least this is not a SLO wallhanger. The blade itself is made of surprisingly thick stock. I didn't have a caliper, but my pocket ruler gave a blade thickness of 7mm, 5mm and 2.5mm at the base, 1/2 up the blade, and 1' from the tip respectively. Any ideas? I am at work, but can grab better pictures later. I know Dixie Gun Works does an 1840 light artillery sword, so maybe this is one of their productions. The thick blade stock is unusual though Mystery sword Close up of the handle View of the peen Back of the blade Lack of false edge
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Post by Luka on Sept 25, 2015 22:13:05 GMT
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Post by bfoo2 on Nov 17, 2015 5:16:50 GMT
Hello I was grazing eBay earlier today and I found this: www.ebay.ca/itm/19TH-CENTURY-BRITISH-SWORD-SCABBARD-/331710221318?hash=item4d3b784c06:g:g9AAAOSwnGJWSqaGAs far as I can tell, it's a Brazilian version from the reign of Pedro II (however, his reign was so long most swords probably are). What is cool is the PII monogram on the guard. Not sure if anyone has any additional information on this rather interesting piece. The only other reference I can find for a PII monogrammed sword is here: gmic.co.uk/topic/52068-war-of-the-triple-alliance-paraguayan-war-collection/
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Post by Uhlan on Nov 17, 2015 8:49:07 GMT
Oldswords database tells me it is an Infantry Officers sabre based on the British P1827 Rifle Officers sabre. It seems that all Brazilian Officers models have the Pedro II cypher on the guard. What is wrong with the one you link to, is that the scabbard has no mouth piece. That is a big let down. It makes that scabbard pretty useless. Also, under the quite new paintjob, a lot of pitting is going on and some dents are also visible. My advise is to wait for a better one. I do not think they are that rare. This one is a waist of money sabre. After a little digging I found that this same seller has a French M1822 Cavalry Officers sabre with a French 1882 Infantry blade on auction. www.ebay.ca/itm/19TH-CENTURY-FRENCH-LIGHT-CALVARY-SWORD-SCABBARD-/231756026894?hash=item35f5bc540e:g:atUAAOSw4UtWSqFuSomething is wrong with this seller. At least his merchandise is not up to specs.
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Post by bfoo2 on Nov 17, 2015 17:42:05 GMT
Yeah, I saw his sketch 1822 Frankenstein and that was a turnoff. Good catch on the missing mouthpiece BTW. I missed that on first inexpection. I just though the PII guard was interesting and worth sharing, as I havn't seen one before. Does anyone know how common these are, just out of curiosity?
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Post by bfoo2 on Nov 18, 2015 4:48:47 GMT
Here's another one, but unlike the first, I'm actually putting some thought into it. I've been looking for something 1796LC-ish for quite some time (it's a gap in our collection), and this one is the first real contender I've found in my price range of under $500 CAD. www.ebay.ca/itm/231751276336?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITYes, the drag is gone, which is kind of a ... wait for it... drag ( ) Any thoughts?
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