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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 3:21:23 GMT
We have plenty of references of people fighting in their 40's and a suprising amount of people fighting in their 60's. I'd not be suprised if fiore still taught at this old. Though it is older, and quite a bit of the material is out of date, Zoe Oldenburg references several of them. Quoted from pg 24, "Bohemund was still strikingly handsome when he was past forty, and Andronicus Comnenus had the reputation of an irresistable seducer at the age of forty-nine. Abelard was over forty when he met Heloise and considered himself to be in the prime of his life. Raymon of Saint-Gilles, at sixty, displayed a physical enegry in his miliatry operations that many younger men might have envied".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 3:23:45 GMT
There is a lot of crap out there in regards to knife fighting, especially so called "tactical" knife use. I will stick to pekiti tirsia and ninjutsu because I know that they work and are no nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 4:01:42 GMT
What is the point of being a ninja if people KNOW you are a ninja? Seems self defeatist.
"Watch out. That guy is an assassin." Kind of makes it hard to do your job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 4:34:15 GMT
Um huh? I didn't say I was a ninja, I said I study ninjutsu. I am not running around assassinating people and carrying out espionage missions. Ninjas rarely assassinated anyone they were more spys and saboteurs, not that they were incapable of assassinating people. I have a t-shirt which says trust me I'm a ninja and people think it is a joke which is kind of the spirit of being a ninja. Telling people outright you are something and then having them think it is a joke is a very good illusion. Ninjas have been romanticized and bullshidized by hollywood so much that few people know the truth about being a ninja or practising ninjutsu. Besides I am just a random guy on a forum, you wouldn't know me if I passed you on the street so it doesn't really matter that you know I practise ninjutsu, besides what good would it do you anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 14:15:00 GMT
Sorry, forgot to put Smileys in my last post. I was completely joking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 14:18:53 GMT
Ah, sorry my bad I suddenly realise that I've contracted a rare and embarassing disease called foot in mouth
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 15:51:06 GMT
Yeah, the only time I am serious is when someone asks for "Ninja armour" and then gets mad when we tell them that Ninjas usually either didnt wear armour, or if they did, it looked like everyone elses. Instead they want to be the guy from Assasssin's Creed or some other video game.
Other than that, whatever floats your boat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 19:05:36 GMT
I remember getting this book on knife fighting by a guy named Echanis. It was almost entirely the ice-pick techniques seen in Fiore. I don't know, I've never been in a knife fight. I do believe what has been said that the object is not to get cut, since you probably will, but to not die. Or not to die first. There's an essay on the internet recounting several well-documented sword duels; it examines the medical implications of each possible wound. I'll see if I can find it. Found it! www.classicalfencing.com/articles/bloody.phpIt's probably also good to take into advice Marc "Animal" MacYoung on knife fighting, with the usual pinch of salt: www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighting.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 21:01:04 GMT
There is an adage in that particular community who know the knife well as a weapon...
The only individuals that know knife fighting and assaults are those who have experienced and survived them.
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Post by Razor on Mar 10, 2008 2:33:18 GMT
Here is some dagger techniques from a 15th cen fechtuch(author is unknown ) using a forward gripe. The site shows three dagger techniques, two of them cuts the opponents hand as a defense against an attack. alliancemartialarts.com/solthurner.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 12:27:21 GMT
It would be cooler to see those cut at the hand defences when the attacker isn't getting angry at the air around the defender... I know the defender was supposed to have voided the attack but it looks like there wasn't any change in position!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 17:30:02 GMT
It would be cooler to see those cut at the hand defences when the attacker isn't getting angry at the air around the defender... I know the defender was supposed to have voided the attack but it looks like there wasn't any change in position! It doesn't take much movement to avoid a blade. The trick is in the timing.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Mar 10, 2008 17:41:10 GMT
I find that knives are very adaptable weapons and daggers lend them selves well to almost all types of knife fighting ....... and blood has a point theres a lot of crap in pretty packings calling it's self "tactical blade combat" and even with my limited knowlage/experance I can tell most of that crap would get you killed in a real bad situation ...... the best weapon to have at a time like that is a level head
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Post by Razor on Apr 28, 2008 3:11:35 GMT
Here is a great dagger video by M.E.M.A.G...... enjoy
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2008 16:40:42 GMT
Amazing how much of this stuff you also see in FMA.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2008 11:39:49 GMT
That comment makes me think that either you have never faced anyone skilled with a blade or that you are naive. Because blades can be so easily multi directional it takes a great deal of movement and skill to avoid being cut by an assailant with a knife or dagger, because of double edges, grip reversals, direction reversals and changes it is bloody hard to come away from fighting an assailant with a knife without getting hurt, you need to be highly trained or very lucky.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2008 22:13:19 GMT
actually...small movements with good timing is correct. Of course as they alter their attacks, you have to make additional small movements, but it is still small movements. Making one big movement to avoid all possible attacks isn't generally a good idea unless your going for a disengagement to get an advantage...and that generally only happens if you happen to have the longer knife.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2008 3:13:23 GMT
Sorry I gotta disagree. All the knife-fighting martial arts I've learned, no matter how subtle the other aspects of their art are, use sweeping motions for knife blocks. The idea is to get as much of yourself out of reach of the blade as possible, meaning often you have to move your entire body.
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Anyone with half a brain and one arm can become VERY dangerous with a knife. They only have to move it an inch to cut you in a block, and any sudden twitch may get past your guard.
You HAVE to minimize how much of your body is within reach if you aren't immediately able to disarm them or kill them. Wrestling over the knife will invariably end in everyone having new holes and perforations, and not moving a lot often means you're well withing poking range.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2008 5:25:48 GMT
The trouble is if you move out of their range, they are out of YOUR range as well.
As for twitch cuts, if you can't hold onto a knife through a twitch cut, you have no buisness being in a knife fight. In fact twitch cuts are BAD because that is precious seconds that your knife isn't in a threatening position. If I can't use that to give you a serious blow, I can at least retailiate with a twitch cut of my own. So at best you come out a draw...at worst, you die.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2008 7:55:33 GMT
Cold: I disagree with you, having had a lot of experience both learning and teaching knife combat I have to say that small movements and precise timing won't cut the mustard but it might result in your being cut. I agree with Shayan, I have always taught and been taught that getting out of the way of a knife requires quite large movements that are energy efficient. Also if we say consider all close in blades such as flick knives, cut throat razors, steak knives etc all of these weapons require different approaches in the disarm or the evade. If you try small movements against a kerambit for example the assailant is going to rip to you open, against a cut throat razor you wouldn't even try the grapple unless you know what you are doing, wrist wrestling against a cut throat will get you slashed up very quickly. If you move out of the range of the knife you have an opportunity to run away or reconsider your options, if you back off and your opponent backs off you both live to fight another day. I also think you underestimate the lethality of a twitch cut, you can sever arteries, major muscle groups all with a twitch cut, unless we are using same terminology for different techniques.
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